Vaderisnothayden

rcb said:

first of all, to refer to earlier, the jedi were jerks. i couldn't stand mace windu! worse part played by Samuel L. Jackson ever! but as for anakin and vader, i heard that it was obi-wan who killed lukes father. Irvin kershner changed that on his own. one of the best things to happen btw.

Mace Windu was a pain in the butt. The writing for the character was crap and Samuel L Jackson is such a good actor but his performance there really wasn't good. The prequels are really good at getting bad performances from good actors. Yoda in the prequels was a pain the butt too.

Mielr said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

And what about after Empire Strikes Back came out and from then on down to when the prequels started to come out in 99, was there any sign whatsoever of the celibacy thing, even a hint?

 

Not really, but I did read an interview once with Mark Hamill, and he wondered aloud whether or not Jedis were supposed to be celibate. It obviously wasn't explicitly spelled out to him, either.

 

When was this interview done?

And a restoration couldn't be done without the prints that were destroyed? Is there any material left a restoration could be done from? Or could the laserdisc material be used as a basis for a restoration? (Sorry, I'm totally ignorant about the technical aspects.)

On another thread this was said:

[skyjedi2005 said: Sadly there is not a snowballs chance in hell of Lucas ever doing a proper restoration up to current industry standards (this would mean the oot could be shown theatrically again or be given a blu ray release) or he would have answered the fans and Robert Harris insistance on this being done now before the remaining prints and negatives are competely beyond saving.]

I think there's something I'm not understanding here. Is there some reason a blu-ray couldn't be made from the laser discs like the GOUT was? Would it be impossible to make a blu-ray (up to GOUT levels) without doing a proper restoration? (I'm not very knowledgeable about the technical stuff.)

But do we really know for sure that Lucas didn't originally intend Anakin to be Darth Vader? I mean, I've long theorized that he invented that bit some time after he made the first film, but I don't know.

And what about after Empire Strikes Back came out and from then on down to when the prequels started to come out in 99, was there any sign whatsoever of the celibacy thing, even a hint?

The celibacy thing does fit with the sort of person who would give up all possessions. I know the EU authors certainly didn't seem to have celibacy in mind, they got Luke married.

He's to blame for the special edition because it was his initiative. The special editions and the prequels happened the way they did because he wanted them that way and he saw to it that they were made that way. That's why he's to blame for them. That doesn't mean I don't also blame others for the part they played. Like Hayden Christensen for his stomach-turning performances.

Yes Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi are classics and are to many people. Very much classics.

Of course the films belong to all of us. As classic works of art they belong to the human species.

As for what crime happened... mutilation and destruction of classics. Destruction of something that should have been held in trust for the human race.

So hold on, let me get this clear, this is a non-limited edition that includes the GOUT 2006 version of the original versions of the films?

If so that's good, because that's Lucas allowing some form of the original versions to be put out on dvd in non-limited edition. Maybe his resolve against the originals is breaking down a bit.

Him and his "vision". I couldn't care less about Lucas's bloody vision, I want the phenomenon that lived 1977-83 and became legend.

Was their any sign of the Jedi having to be celibate back before the prequels came out?

Thanks for the answers. :)

They're releasing them again? Will this be a limited-time-only edition like the 2006 one?

Keela said:

LOL Nice one!

I'll go for the "It's Lucas' damn property and he can do with it what he likes!" version, possibly to include some deleted scenes that expand the story.

Get over yourselves people! If you don't like what Lucas has done, or not done, with HIS creation....how about you take some of that pent up creative (or so you may think) energy and create your own franchise/property???

See, this is where I disagree.

Firstly, Lucas is not the only person responsible for Star Wars. It's not like a novel writer who writes a book all by themselves. Actors, directors, writers and all manner of crew and other people contributed significantly to Star Wars. Without them it would not have been the Star Wars we love. Lucas did not create Star Wars by himself. It's not just his creation, it's other people's creation too.

Secondly, the Star Wars trilogy is not any old film, they're classics and as classics they are works of art that are collectively owned. Legally Lucas may own them, but morally we all do. And he mutilated this dear beloved thing that belongs to all of us. He had no right to destroy a classic. What he did was a crime.

Is it Bhuddist philosophy or is it George Lucas's version of Bhuddist philosophy? I strongly disagree with any viewpoint that says attachment to other human beings is bad.

The Prequel Yodas (I think the Phantom Menace one was actually a puppet) were of far poorer design than the old trilogy's Yoda. Not only did they look less real, but the facial features had a far poorer design. The look on the old Yoda's face was wise an intelligent and benevolent. The Phantom Menace Yoda just looked silly and the later Yoda had this annoying look on his face and they even tried to have him put on macho tough guy expressions, which looked ridiculous. Yoda's lightsaber duels were seriously painful. Here's this little thing zipping around the air buzzing -it was like he was a big fly. It erased what dignity the character had in the prequels (which was far less than he had in the old films, anyway). A poster above said he shouldn't have had to even resort to lightsaber work and I agree. Yoda should have been above such things. He should have used alternatives based on greater mastery of the force. This is one of many examples of bad judgement in the prequels.

Also, it's clear looking at the later Yodas that not enough effort was put in to make the prequel version look like the old version, to make him look like like he was the same guy. Particularly the Phantom Menace version. Why? Surely it couldn't have been so hard to make him look similar. There was some excuse made to the effect that he would have looked different because he was younger, but the Phantom Menace Yoda in particular had totally different features and could never have been the same guy, at any age. The ROTS/AOTC version didn't match up either, and, most importantly, looked like he had a totally different (and far less impressive) personality than the original.

They also wrote Yoda less well in the prequels. He's an annoying pain in the ass there.

Re the lack of realistic appearance of the later Yoda's (the Phantom Menace version looked like a puppet while the later version looked like a cartoon) compared to the splendid old puppet, isn't it amazing how 20 years later they put out something so inferior to what was managed back in the early 80s?

Also, similar to the Yoda situation is the Jabba situation. ROTJ's Jabba is spectacular, lifelike and full of personality. Later Jabbas don't look real, don't have the personality and don't look like any effort was put in to make them look like the same guy as ROTJ's Jabba. And the awful cutsey 1997 Jabba was horrific.

In Revenge of the Sith, Anakin goes to Yoda about his visions of Padme dying (he doesn't tell Yoda it's Padme but he does admit it's somone close to him). He's afraid of losing Padme. Yoda says that fear of loss is a path to the dark side. He says death is a natural part of life and that you should rejoice for people who die and not mourn them and not miss them. He says that attachment leads to jealousy and that's the shadow of greed.

The message of this is that being atttached to people is bad. If you're attached to people you'll be afraid of losing them and that will lead to the dark side. The film seems to agree with Yoda's viewpoint, because Anakin turns dark as a result of his fear of Padme's death. So ROTS is effectively saying he turned evil because of love, love is bad, you shouldn't love or be attached to people.

What a screwed up message. This is Star Wars?

This is about the 2006 limited-time-only-includes-original-version-as-a-bonus-disc dvds. It was supposed to be available only until 31 December 2006. However it's selling on Amazon as new and in stock, as if it's still in print, as the only seemingly-in-print individual versions (as in not bexed set) of the old trilogy. Did Lucasfilm change their minds and allow it to be available past the limited time or does Amazon just have a back stock? What's going on?

Does anybody know how well it sells/sold?

Any idea what's our chances of getting a release of some sort of original version on blu-ray and later formats?

Also, I hear that Lucasfilm was responsible for the release but were drawn into it by Fox. Can anybody give me more detail on that?

Would appreciate any answers anybody can give. :) 

Thanks. :)

You're the boss around here? Is there somewhere I can find a list of mods so I know who to contact if I have questions?

This isn't a bug, but I couldn't find a place to ask questions. Basically I want to know where you can go to ask questions about how the site works. Like the terms of service says your account can be deleted for extended inactivity. How long would it have to be inactive? And it sounds like if you're deleted like that you're not allowed re-register later. Is that true?

Sorry for asking in the wrong place, but I don't know what else to do.

Would really appreciate any help. :)