Vaderisnothayden

Nanner Split said:

 

 

Sarah Palin is nothing but a trained monkey. The higher-ups in the Republican Party train her these standard speeches and responses to questions, and she repeats them on national television. She rattles off these speeches but when you look in her eyes it's like she doesn't really understand the words that are coming out of her mouth.

Textbook sexism. If Sarah Palin weren't female she wouldn't get the degree or sort of attacks that she does. Dismissing her as nothing like the above post does is falling into the classic sexist pattern of dismissing women as being nothings who are utterly dependent on men and have nothing to offer themselves. Sarah Palin is a hugely capable woman and only prejudice, whether political or gender-based, prevents people from seeing that. That is not to say I agree with her views. But I have no trouble seeing the ability and force of the woman.

skyjedi2005 said:

Who wants to see Episode 1 in 3-D?

Jar Jar binks in 3-D but no oot restored, thanks george!

It'll be worse than that. I bet there will be more changes made to the OOT when it's put out on 3d. Look for David Prowse replaced with Hayden in a suit like from the nooooo scene and the Yoda puppet replaced with a cgi Yoda that glowers in a macho way.

Akwat Kbrana said:

You actually thought ROTS' ending was "very good" and "on par with the OT"? That's asinine. It was basically a rushed, poorly-executed attempt to tie up all the loose ends left dangling and cover over the legion of unresolved plotholes with a thin layer of pretty CGI and overly-contrived, cartoonish, boringly long lightsabre battles. Add the this total failure Padme's "losing the will to live," Yoda's undignified frog-hopping, Palpatine's transformation into a laughably bad self-parody, and the unwillingness or else inability to adequately set things up for the next movie (ANH), and you're left with nothing more than a steaming pile of sith. (Haw haw.)

Personally, I've come to see TPM, as unwatchably bad as it is, as a lot closer to the spirit of the OT than either of its sequels. At least that one felt a little like Star Wars, even though it was cringe-inducing and stupid. AOTC and ROTS have just chucked sincerity and fun out the window, and have settled for PS2 video-game sequences and "romance drama" that feels like a twelve year old wrote it.

Hear hear. TPM is a weak movie, but it's way more Star wars than AOTC or ROTS, which were soulless pieces of trash.

As for AOTC's later battle stuff, arena onwards, that was awful feelingless meaningless action spectacle of the sort the prequels are very into. And the jedi came off like such idiots. They pop up in the arena and immediately start striking idiot poses, in a way that can only be interpreted as very unjedi-like swagger and macho posturing. AOTC was a terrible bland artificial movie and far from saving it the battle scenes at the end just underline how feelingless it is.

ROTS got worse and worse as it went on. The later part is unbelievably bad. Palpatine turns into total hamming and gets into a cartoon fight with a Yoda who's implausibly fixated on strking macho poses. Anakin vs Kenobi is one long drawn out piece of torture, massively overdone spectacle with zero feeling or human connection. It just beats into your head "this is a significant scene", over and over. The jedi are offed and we couldn't care less because they're such a bunch of wankers. Hayden does some of the worst acting I've seen and Kenobi does bland and self-important. Padme kicks the bucket against established story that says that she died years later and she dies for no reason whatsoever. Then we get the nooooooo and then everything is tied up neatly with a bow to match ANH so much that you wonder if anything changed in the intervening 20 years. ROTS is the worst of the prequels, with levels of lameness that are amazing. And it's a very pompous movie too, which doesn't help.

And let me say I'm very much against Lucas going back and tinkering with the PT. No he shouldn't put a cgi Yoda in TPM, because TPM didn't have a cgi Yoda. It's dishonest to retroactively screw with a movie like that, whether it's ANH or TPM. Let people see what was actually shown in the theaters. And yeah I know TPM on  dvd has already been fucked with, but that doesn't mean more fucking with it is ok. I don't think we should want Lucas to go back and fix the movies to our taste. They're the movies they are. They weren't to our taste. Let's accept that. And the problems aren't a few issues that can be fixed anyway. The problems with the prequels go down to the very core of their mentality. I don't think going back and screwing with old movies is ok whether they're good or bad. We should be seeing an honest representation of what the movie was actually like when it was shown on the big screen when it was originally released, or as close to that possible.

Warbler said:

we forgot one diversion C3PX has(and we all have).  How much time does he(and the rest us) spend in this forum, when instead we could be out "saving the world"?   If we only did the things that were important and didn't have our diversions, the world and lives would be very boring.   It would not be a world I'd want to live in.

Vaderisnothayden, may I remind you that the pro-sports people didn't start this discussion.  I created a thread to discuss whether or not College football should have a playoff system.   C3PX and Gaffer came into the thread and talked about their dislike of sports and asking what the big deal about it was.  Then in order to separate the two subjects, Gaffer created this thread.  If you are going to come in a thread discussing a subject you don't like, and say that you like it , say why you don't like it, and ask what the big deal about it is, you can expect to be told by those by those that do like the subject, why they like it and what the big deal is about.   It would be one thing if the pro-sports people suddenly created a thread and lectured those that didn't like sports as to why they are wrong.   It is another thing to simply reply to those who post anti-sports opinions.   If you don't like sports that's fine.  But don't come into a sports thread, post anti-sports opinions and expert to not get responded to.

It's not a sports thread (in the sense of a pro-sports thread). It's a thread for discussing whether you like or dislike sports and I just did as people are supposed to on this thread and posted my feelings on sports. I did no harm, but somebody got all defensive about it. And I didn't simply get responded to, I got this whole "there's nothing wrong with liking sports" defensive thing, as if I had said nobody else was allowed to like sports, which I didn't. Nothing in what was said to me in the other guy's post was necessary. All of it was obvious and just defensive defense of liking sports. It wasn't a case of anybody telling me anything insightful about their liking of sports. It was just the theme of "it's ok to like sports", which was a defense that wasn't necessary, because I never said it wasn't ok for them to like sports.

TV's Frink said:

I'm only being a busybody because you are opinionated and attack anyone who has even the slightest difference of opinion. 

I don't do anything of the sort. Stop equating strongly expressed disagreement with attacking. They're not the same thing at all. It's patently absurd to say I attack anyone who has the slightest difference of opinion. I do nothing of the sort. There are certain people I will be less patient with due to past troubles (such as C3PX, on this thread), but I don't go around just attacking people for disagreeing with me. All I do is disagree with them. Which some people seem to interpret as an attack. 

Your attempt to justify your busybody behavior doesn't work. You're just out of line. And you'll note that I don't usually come along and butt into a conversation to tell other people how they should post (like you've been doing). Despite your vilification of me, I follow certain principles as to you what's ok to do in posting. Whereas you don't seem to be so restrained.

And you don't like "my" movie?  Hilarious.  I'm only vaguely curious about this movie, mainly due to what ESF expressed:

Well then you shouldn't need to get so bent out of shape if somebody expresses a lack of enthusiasm for it.

Here's a typical VINH argument, from the first page of this thread:

Vaderisnothayden said:

Fuck 3d. We don't need it. Stupid gimmick. I wish George Lucas would stop going on about putting Star wars on 3d and restore the OOT instead.

Nice.  And what a surprise, you managed to insert Lucas into the discussion again.

Oh terrible, how horrible, I expressed dislike for a big fad gimmick. How profane! And wtf is wrong with bringing Lucas into the discussion? This is a Star Wars site.

I know you said this to CA but I'm sure it was directed at me as well.  I can assure you we're not the only ones that feel this way about you.

Yeah, well people like to copy each others' opinions. It's a known thing. That some people might have a narrow-minded prejudiced attitude toward me doesn't make that attitude or its views right. All you're doing is ganging up on someone who thinks differently from you, just because they come off different. It's not this enlightened thing.

I think it's hilarious that you have Nanner on ignore. 

I don't see what's hilarious about it. The guy clearly has a lot of hostility toward me, so it's pretty reasonable to have him on ignore. As for reading his posts, I may read them or I may not read them. The ignore function makes it much more a choice.

TV's Frink said:

How long is your ignore list?  I'll bet you have to do a lot of scrolling to get to the bottom of it.  Isn't it time to add me to that list?

Sorry, you're not going on it just yet. Sorry to disappoint you. But that doesn't mean I'm necessarily going to keep answering your garbage.

ChainsawAsh said:

HotRod said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I think you give up the right to say "don't lecture me" when you've been a giant dick to anyone who doesn't share your opinion.

Indeed he has...But, there's really no point in me replying to his posts as I'm on his ignore list anyway!!

And now he's on mine, so that problem's solved.

And thanks for the support, Frink.

Hopefully this means ChainsawAsh won't be pestering me anymore.

Baronlando said:

look at the joke that THX has become (the process not the movie).

 The movie has become a joke too, what with the changes to it on dvd.

ChainsawAsh said:

I think you give up the right to say "don't lecture me" when you've been a giant dick to anyone who doesn't share your opinion.

Well, seeing as I HAVEN'T been a giant dick to anyone who doesn't share my opinion, that's not relevant.

Disagreeing with people isn't being a "giant dick". Nor is standing by your opinion when people tell you it's wrong. And yes there are some people I can get a little harsher with, but those are people who've given me trouble. I'm not obligated to play nice with people who are basically trying to bully me or who have done so repeatedly in the past.

You've demonstrated in the past a tendency to see my actions in an overly negative and exaggerated light. You're doing it again. You know, I have posted on many internet forums, but rarely have I come across a place where some people are so bloody nasty over so little so easily. And it's just not necessary. But in a place where some people are habitually vicious, it's pretty funny that I should be called the villain. Take a closer look at some of the posters you think are ok.

Btw, your "giant dick" thing sounds rather funny and brings some odd images to mind.

TV's Frink said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

We don't have to see Avatar to have valid reason to be pissed about it. It exists to promote an annoying fad. It tries to push cartoonish cgi people as part of a real live action reality (Jar Jar echoes). And now we have Cameron talking political preaching with regard to it and telling us it's supposed to preach that stuff. That's plenty reason to be annoyed with it without having seen it. And we have the media bombarding us with promotion for it and trying to program us into thinking that Avatar is The Greatest Thing Ever and that we MUST see it. It's annoying.

Stop reading the articles.  Change the channel.  Don't go see the movie.  Maybe just try to relax a little bit and enjoy life. 

You seem like a very angry person.  Obviously I don't know you, but your posts always seem angry to me.  Even when I agree with you, I just want to say, "calm down, man."

You're playing the busybody again. Don't tell me what to do. Don't get into lecturing me on what sort of person you think I am. Just leave it alone. If I don't like your movie it doesn't mean you have to give out to me about it.

TV's Frink said:

And the millions of people who watch care.  As Warb said, sports are a diversion.  A way to enjoy life.  Just like music, books, movies.  Just like Star Wars.  I don't have any problem with people not liking sports, just like I don't have any problem with people not liking Star Wars, Douglas Adams, or John Tesh (well, maybe John Tesh).  But there's nothing wrong with liking sports either.

Jeez, it seems you can't dislike something on these boards without getting lectured at. Why do people keep thinking that just because you dislike something they like it means they have to defensively defend their liking it?

I don't get watching sports. I have an interest in certain sports for their self-defense uses (boxing comes to mind), but watching sports is not my thing. I don't get the interest in watching people kick a ball around a field. Maybe if the object of the game was to kick each other in the balls rather than kick a ball, it might be more interesting, but as it is it's just, like who cares.

TV's Frink said:

ChainsawAsh said:

And I have my ticket for Friday at 12:15 PM at the Chicago Navy Pier IMAX.  I'll definitely post my thoughts after I see it.

Thanks for that.  I've heard so much complaining about this movie from people who haven't even seen it yet.

We don't have to see Avatar to have valid reason to be pissed about it. It exists to promote an annoying fad. It tries to push cartoonish cgi people as part of a real live action reality (Jar Jar echoes). And now we have Cameron talking political preaching with regard to it and telling us it's supposed to preach that stuff. That's plenty reason to be annoyed with it without having seen it. And we have the media bombarding us with promotion for it and trying to program us into thinking that Avatar is The Greatest Thing Ever and that we MUST see it. It's annoying.

Regarding Henry is very good. I don't think Mosquito Coast is his best work. It's just the sort of work people make a fuss about as acting, so people like to call it his best work. But some of his more relatable roles are better. Random Hearts definitely has problems, but it has some value. It stuck with me surprisingly well. It has human depth of feeling.

Baronlando said:

There must be a good financial reason for Lord of the Rings and Star Trek to follow the "theatrical versions now, special editions later" pattern. I would love to hear the debate at Lucasfilm. Surely somebody over there must be pondering why they don't do the same thing.

Maybe Jim Ward. I think I read somwhere that he begged Lucas to let them do the originals on dvd.

I can proudly say I never bought the 2004 dvd set. I went like "Special edition on dvd? Fuck that." And it was worse than the SE on dvd. It was the special special edition. Hayden Anni-kins' ghost and Jango Boba Fett. Plus Jar Jar being jarring in the celebrations. "Wesa free!" Wesa not fucking free of the bullshit yet. 

It'll probably be the se but worse -in other words more changes.

Harrison Ford is still doing good work. Like, I enjoyed his recent work in Crossing Over. But it's true his work is not as good as it used to be.

It's not a step in the right direction, because there's no reason to think it's sign that it's a step towards getting the OOT on blu-ray. Any other Star Wars on blu-ray is useless.

Sluggo said:

I think it would be closer to stretching a pan and scan movie to widescreen format. 

Why can't George just leave the Star Wars movies alone?  He should go screw with his Howard the Duck movie if he wants to proof a new concept..  At least we don't have half a dozer different versions of Raiders.

I agree. I dread what new changes Lucas will make to the OT for his 3d version. Replace Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher with cgi versions or something. And then there'll be the blu-ray edition, long after every other film in existence has come out on blu-ray, and it will be the super-super-special edition, with David Prowse replaced with Hayden in a suit and the Yoda and Jabba puppets replaced with cgi.

You know, the genocide joke wears a little thin, because real life genocide isn't such fun. Except maybe to nazis or whatver. So maybe you should find some other sort of joke to make.

xhonzi said:

They provide 2D showings for most-if-not-all.  If you don't like it, don't take it away from those of us who enjoy it.

Most is not all. And some people in Hollywood want this fad to take over movies in general, which is an unnerving thought for those of us who are not into it and who want to still be able to see movies in 2d ten or twenty years from now. Your thing you enjoy may take away what we enjoy, so excuse us for not being happy about it. And we're sick of the endless hype for a money-grubbing gimmick and some of us are sick of hearing the hype for the OT on 3d when Lucas still won't restore the OOT. And some of us are even sick of James Cameron or movies with a political agenda (like Avatar). But us wanting it to go away is hardly taking it away from you. We have no power in this matter, so we're not taking anything away. We are just expressing opinions and that shouldn't bother you.

Once I would have liked to see a film with an older wiser Hamill Luke, but after Indy 4 with an older Ford Indy I've realized Lucas would screw it up.

As it stands, there's too much argument and bad blood on this thread, and I don't want to be taking part in that, so I'm going to absent myself from this thread. Feel free to slag me off or discuss 3d or whatever suits you.

Nanner Split said:

Since when did I ever have "immature lowdown behavior" toward you? I don't recall ever having spoken to you at all until just now, which is why I thought it was odd that I'd somehow made your ignore list for no apparent reason.

Not that it appears to have been any loss on my part, from the looks of things.

 I find it hard to believe you don't remember posting this post:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Five-live-action-shows/post/379506/#TopicPost379506

Joining in in the general personal attacking and ganging up that was directed at me because I dared to post a thread that wasn't being thrilled about the new live action show. Your contribution was childish mockery and personally insulting. It was low down. It marked you out as troublemaker without scruples. As such, I came to the conclusion that you weren't worth having anything to do with. So I put you on ignore. No loss on my part.

That still leaves the Force Unleashed movie thing.

Thanks for the info. :)

Ok, you can share a cell with Gaffer Organa. Darth Vader will be along to torture you both shortly.

Nanner Split said:

You know what's great? VINH has me on ignore, so I can slag him off as much as I want and he'll never know! :D

Don't be sure about it. You were put on ignore for immature lowdown behavior on your part toward me, but ignore has a read-this-post option that allows me to read posts of somebody while having them on ignore. I may well choose to read your posts. Whether I choose to waste my time replying to your garbage is another matter. But one thing you can be sure of: I have zero respect for you.