Tyrphanax

Ryan-SWI said:

Haarspalter said:

• rigid blue screen cinematography
• 85% CGI Effects vs 15% Practical Effects

Yep. Like TFA and R1 by the way…

Lucas way of filming is rigid (it has always been; the guy is an editor, not a director), not the tools he developed. The “back to practical” trend of TFA/R1 is a marketing joke. Most of Disney’s new movies are CGI/blue-green screens filmmaking with a few props on set just for marketing purposes… And practical effects of the PT are great (Trade federation actors for example).

Didn’t you know? It doesn’t matter that TFA’s story sucks because of the effects they used.
But the Prequels don’t get that pass because of the effects they used.
Also, cool X-Wing’s 'n OT fan-service stuff. A+
The hypocrisy among Star Wars fans isn’t glaring at all.

Effects aside, TFA’s story might not have been incredible (I’ll be the first to emphatically say that it was a real shame they wasted a whole movie more or less rehashing Star Wars), but at least it gave us characters we could care about. The Prequels featured some of the absolute worst writing and characters ever seen in the Star Wars franchise, EU included. This is probably the biggest issue with them if you ask around here.

Going back to effects, barring The Phantom Menace, actual, physical sets seemed so few and far between. Watching the Behind The Scenes stuff for the PT is usually just looking at a blue or green wall and floor with actors in front of it. At least TFA and RO seem to have had a lot more physical sets and locations to me.

Finally, welcome to the forum. It’s been a bit since I’ve had to break out the ol’ “this is why the Prequels are insults to the franchise” arguments.

Also, good luck!

I feel like the Rebellion-turned-Republic would have a slight issue with using technology and equipment that was so galactically identified with oppression, enslavement, and brutality.

I feel like the end of the Empire was a bit akin to the de-nazification of Germany after World War II. The incoming regime would probably want to distance themselves from their predecessor as much as possible in order to present a new face to the galaxy that wasn’t connected to the evils of the Empire. The Rebels tromping around in AT-ATs would be a bit like the Bundeswehr driving around in Tigers.

Possessed said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Jay said:

Jetrell Fo said:

FanFiltration said:

Jetrell Fo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Dear Jay,

The last three posts were lighthearted jokes. Please don’t ban anyone when you come back from your vacation.

Sincerely,
The guy at the computer using the TVs Frink account

Tyrphanax said:

Also at least 35 people at a nightclub in Istanbul.

Hey, how about we all stop being dicks to each other next year eh?

I applaud your intentions with the post and I will do my part even if it takes never responding to any post directed towards me again on this website. I am sad to see that some never cease in finding a way to skirt such positive sentiments as yours instead of not saying anything at all. The fact that it never stops tells me that your wish will be fought at every turn because that kind of positive environment here is neither appreciated or wanted by some without boundaries.

I’ll refrain from anymore levity.

This was not directed at you FF. I totally understood your levity and appreciated it greatly.

Jay said:

Jetrell Fo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Dear Jay,

The last three posts were lighthearted jokes. Please don’t ban anyone when you come back from your vacation.

Sincerely,
The guy at the computer using the TVs Frink account

Tyrphanax said:

Also at least 35 people at a nightclub in Istanbul.

Hey, how about we all stop being dicks to each other next year eh?

I applaud your intentions with the post and I will do my part even if it takes never responding to any post directed towards me again on this website. I am sad to see that some never cease in finding a way to skirt such positive sentiments as yours instead of not saying anything at all. The fact that it never stops tells me that your wish will be fought at every turn because that kind of positive environment here is neither appreciated or wanted by some without boundaries.

Lighten up, dude. Tyrphanax got the joke and responded in kind. No need to stir the pot.

I am unsure who reported it as such or how you figured I was trying to “stir the pot” but that was not what I was doing. I was being polite but honest. I was not aware such sentiment is not allowed.

Nobody reported it. I consider it “stirring the pot”. You expressed concern and disdain over what was obviously a sarcastic joke between two friends that didn’t seem to offend anyone besides you. Your constant lecturing of both old and new members for their behavior (baiting) followed by your subsequent personal offense to resulting negative reactions toward you (playing the victim) borders on troll-like behavior. I don’t think you’re doing it on purpose, but at some point, I have to ask myself if it matters when the end result is the same.

I’m sad to see you feel it would be positive to single out someone publicly and that it would be in the best interest of the site while trying to close divides among members. You’ve now made it clear that Frink’s behavior, even if worded politely, is far more acceptable and welcome, than a member being honest and polite. I’m glad that you found the sarcasm obvious because I did not.

You make the rules, some people don’t follow them, and that’s okay. Per your direct contact with me, I cannot call Frink a troll anymore, yet he can politely disguise his jab about being a troll (which could only be directed my way) and bring the hammer down on me in public.

If some people can have it both ways and others cannot you should state as much when you make the rules. It is your site anyways. This way we all know that certain members are allowed extra latitude while others must not wander outside the parameters laid out. Though I’m not surprised by this blind-side I am disappointed you felt I had to be done like this.

Frink, I hope you’re happy now. You can now show you’re better than me and be proud, exactly the way you like it, public humiliation in defense of you.

This sucks.

😦

Oh. My. God.

Due to the new rules I’ll only leave it implied what I meant by this.

I choose to apply “Becky. Look at her butt.” as your meaning.

FanFiltration said:

Nice.

TV’s Frink said:

Is it

Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen?

It would have been Ric and Padme if Ani hadn’t gotten in the way.

I think you mean Ric and all the ladies.

If I ever get into Lucasfilm, I’m gonna pitch “Ric Olie, Intergalactic Man of Mystery” to Kathleen. I feel like Star Wars needs a cool James Bond character and who better than Ric?

Tobar said:

Mithrandir said:

NeverarGreat said:
Furthermore, in the case of Tarkin, he distracted from the primary villain: Krennick.

I would say the main villain was supposed to be Tarkin all the way, and then Krennick was created just because by the very premise of this movie, the villain would have to be defeated and shown as incompetent, and going by his rank, position and reputation in ANH, Tarkin wouldn’t have been the case.

However, a Star Wars movie centered around the Death Star one week before the beginning of ANH without any trace of Tarkin would have raised a lot of questions as well.

I think the solution they found to solve this issue was, among many other things, elegant, regardless of how good CGI was.

^This.

And it all depends really, when it comes to CG. I still say Jurassic Park looks stunning to this day. I think RO’s Tarkin will age fine.

Good points. I think the lighting in the Tarkin scenes lends itself to the CGI and its aging well. Leia’s scene perhaps not as much.

darth_ender said:

Who is the hottest couple in the Star Wars movies?

Hah, I figured this one out.

But for the benefit of the joke:

Who?!

ZkinandBonez said:

Does this excuse it though? All it proves is that it’s a passable effect.

I mean, I thought the CG in the PT was really good when I was a kid. In my teens I started to realize how imperfect it was. Now much of it just looks awful. I have a feeling that the new SW movies will suffer from the same effect over the next couple of decades. Maybe not as much (thanks to a decent amount of practical effects), but I don’t think they’ll age too well. And I think Tarkin will be one of the effects that will stand out the most.

You’re definitely not wrong.

Back in the day, we all thought that the graphics provided by the Nintendo 64 and Playstation 1 were as lifelike as it would ever be. CGI ages, and it’s usually poorly.

Perhaps they will continually update them as time goes on? =P

Whoa, Tobar’s famous!

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

I think that someone who doesn’t know Cushing is dead would assume that it was a real person and be totally fooled. In my opintion they did a fantastic job.

That’s what I’ve been hearing. We give it much more scrutiny because we’re so familiar with the man, but even my parents who knew he must have been dead were convinced.

ray_afraid said:

I’m actually gonna go see this a second time. I was happy with it when I left the theater yesterday and I like it more and more as I think about it today.

I enjoyed it so much more the second time because I knew the story and the characters and the ending.

Finally I can live beachside!

It rained all morning here and some of yesterday and the day before and it was amazing. We’re at an inch and a half of rain in the 2017 already, which is pretty big for the desert.

Classy guy that Mayhew.

Sounds good to me! Great idea!

SilverWook said:

Lucas shot down the creepy kid Grevious concept, so no way would he ok Marylin Manson lovechild Maul. 😉

And holy hell, why didn’t we get any IG-88 type droids in the prequels? It would have actually made sense!

Technically the Magna guards were in the IG-series.

There’s a bunch of IGs in The Clone Wars.

Wexter said:

The cross-referencing was very common in the old EU. Some of it was even requested by Lucasfilm. And some of it were just retcons. The Thrawn trilogy didn’t have those references, simply because it was one of the first things written.

Actually, if I remember correctly, Dark Empire was originally supposed to deal with the Alliance capturing Coruscant after the defeat of the Empire shortly after the events of ROTJ, but Zahn refused to reference the events that were supposed to happen in Dark Empire in his then incomplete trilogy, so Dark Empire’s events were instead moved to after the Thrawn trilogy with the Empire recapturing Coruscant for a short while (which was of course incredibly convoluted).

Yep.

DominicCobb said:

Tyrphanax said:

Hey, how about we all stop being dicks to each other next year eh?

Fuck you.

❤️

Ronster said:

It’s a bit like watching Return of the Jedi and the Shuttle Tydirium arriving on Hoth rather than at Endor though.

It’s that far off. If it’s ok for you then it’s ok for me.

Just Saying.

I couldn’t disagree more, and I’m not really sure I understand what you’re talking about.

But to each their own.

You can!

SilverWook said:

I think there are more illegal fireworks going off around here right now than on the fourth of July. Good thing everything is still soaked from the rain.

Please stop lurking in my neighborhood.

I’m not sure what subtext you’re reading into my posts, but I’m just here having a nice time discussing a movie that I enjoyed and what I took parts of it to mean and connecting dots from what I saw on the screen. I’m not into inserts or cyborg subplots or contradictions or anything, I was just dropping my two cents on the way it played out in the theater.

Ronster said:

So should they have had 5 credit cards?

I mean it all fit on the one card, didn’t it? So obviously the card can fit all the data on it, whatever “filesize” it may be.

Unless those Rebel troopers just put some Word documents on the card they all died in the hallway to protect as a joke.

Ronster said:

Tyrphanax said:

Yeah, Bail is going to send Leia to Tatooine to find Obi-Wan. That much we know from what he says, and we know Artoo and Threepio are stationed on the Tantive IV from Revenge of the Sith. They probably think they’re headed to Tatooine, so when everything is suddenly redirected to Scarif because Jyn and Cassian went rogue, Threepio expresses his disdain for being left out of the loop.

I assume Leia’s ship was docked with the Profundity in orbit above Yavin IV considering we see Admiral Raddus at the Rebel meeting to discuss attacking Scarif, after which he leaves in a huff, which is then when Bail goes to give Leia her mission. When Raddus hears about Rogue One’s attack on Scarif and decides to go fight, she’s kinda trapped and along for the ride in his ship, not knowing she’d end up with the plans.

Once she gets them and escapes, she continues the mission Bail gave her to find Obi-Wan, but this time with more urgency since she now has the plans. And of course it’s all thrown for a loop when Vader catches up with her and she’s captured, but it all works out for the Rebels in the end.

No you are making stuff up.

I mean it’s all right there in the movies, but okay.

Ronster said:

SilverWook said:

I’m of the mind Artoo has the plans before the Tantive is captured. They certainly can’t be on the “ATM card” Leia is putting in him. I think all she’s doing at that point is recording the message and giving Artoo his marching orders.

Also keep in mind when they get to Yavin, they hook up Artoo to a large unit to do essentially a data dump. That looks like something that would take a little time to do.

Very good point and something I never thought about size of Data file. I think that the Plot was always Stolen Data Tapes and the Several Transmissions that were beamed aboard the Tantive IV.

Another contradiction is that the Size of the Death Star Plans were an issue in the original cut and having to beam them out. Come the Insert of the Darth Vader Slasher scene the Size of the File is no longer an issue and it can go from Data Tape to Simm Card. Another Contradiction to the Narrative there also.

You see on the computer behind Jyn when she sends the plans that they upload to the Profundity in four or five separate parts. Or multiple transmissions. Tobar brought this up earlier, I believe.

Oh. I added so much to it that I forgot I was editing and not writing that last post. I may have rambled slightly.

Might be worth re-reading.

SilverWook said:

I’m of the mind Artoo has the plans before the Tantive is captured. They certainly can’t be on the “ATM card” Leia is putting in him. I think all she’s doing at that point is recording the message and giving Artoo his marching orders.

Also keep in mind when they get to Yavin, they hook up Artoo to a large unit to do essentially a data dump. That looks like something that would take a little time to do.

I disagree. I think from the way they put emphasis on the card (which they downloaded the plans from the Profundity onto, I’ll remind you) and then emphasis on physically handing it to Leia, that the card holds the plans.

Ronster said:

The Problem is not so Much the scene of Vader on the Profundity.

It’s more the fact that it was made very clear Leia was going to Tattooine to get Obi-Wan, and C3-P0 and R2-D2 exclaim probably before they board the Tantive IV parked outside the Massassi temple “The’re going to Scariff”

Yeah, Bail is going to send Leia to Tatooine to find Obi-Wan. That much we know from what he says, and we know Artoo and Threepio are stationed on the Tantive IV from Revenge of the Sith. They probably think they’re headed to Tatooine, so when everything is suddenly redirected to Scarif because Jyn and Cassian et al went rogue, Threepio expresses his disdain for being left out of the loop.

I assume Leia’s ship was docked with the Profundity in orbit above Yavin IV considering we see Admiral Raddus at the Rebel meeting to discuss attacking Scarif, after which he leaves in a huff, which is then when Bail goes to give Leia her mission. When Raddus hears about Rogue One’s attack on Scarif and decides to go fight, she’s kinda trapped and along for the ride in his ship, not knowing she’d end up with the plans.

Once she gets them and escapes, she continues the mission Bail gave her to find Obi-Wan, but this time with more urgency since she now has the plans. And of course it’s all thrown for a loop when Vader catches up with her and she’s captured, but it all works out for the Rebels in the end.