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#1195224
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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TM2YC said:

Tyrphanax said:

TM2YC said:

In recent weeks, I keep hearing politicians and journalists saying this online data protection issue is difficult, or impossible to solve. Is forcing online companies by law to give people a genuine opt out of 3rd party data sharing really that difficult?

I’m sure if Facebook (using them as an example) surveyed all of their users and asked “would you like us to share and/or sell your private data to 3rd parties?” 0% would say yes. Yet 100% of their users have agreed to let Facebook do exactly that because it’s not possible to opt out of it and still use their service.

Simply make it illegal for these companies to share data without the express permission of the user and make it illegal to make that permission conditional on continued use of said service. I don’t know about other countries but in the UK data-protection for customers in the real-world is serious sh*t that companies can get in trouble for. So why is it okay for companies in the online world to act like it’s the wild west with people’s privacy?

It doesn’t even need to be on an international basis (it would be better if it was through), individual countries can legislate on this and the companies will obey the laws in those countries like they do across real-world borders because they want to do business in those countries.

Totally agree. The sad fact of the world is that you sometimes have to save people from themselves. Hell I’m all about privacy and yet I have a Facebook page.

But that’s my point. You didn’t have the option to save yourself. It was use the service and get screwed, or not use the service. Things like facebook, twitter, youtube and google are facts of life now. Asking people to choose between being able to use them at all and a vague possibility that their data might be used by a “trusted” 3rd party, is not a fair choice.

Yeah, I was coming at this from the angle of “people can opt out by not using the service,” but that’s akin to victim blaming and, as you said, these services are a fact of life at this point, so putting the onus on consumers to do the changing is definitely not fair. I guess I hadn’t really thought it through well enough.

I know a few people I quite like who I would lose contact with completely due to distance if I just deleted my Facebook account (as tempting as it always is), and I’m sure many other people are in the same boat. Like I was saying, we’re at a moment in history were this technology is new enough and has quickly proliferated global society before we had a chance to really understand the ramifications of it, but hopefully a change is coming soon.

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#1195211
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

TM2YC said:

In recent weeks, I keep hearing politicians and journalists saying this online data protection issue is difficult, or impossible to solve. Is forcing online companies by law to give people a genuine opt out of 3rd party data sharing really that difficult?

I’m sure if Facebook (using them as an example) surveyed all of their users and asked “would you like us to share and/or sell your private data to 3rd parties?” 0% would say yes. Yet 100% of their users have agreed to let Facebook do exactly that because it’s not possible to opt out of it and still use their service.

Simply make it illegal for these companies to share data without the express permission of the user and make it illegal to make that permission conditional on continued use of said service. I don’t know about other countries but in the UK data-protection for customers in the real-world is serious sh*t that companies can get in trouble for. So why is it okay for companies in the online world to act like it’s the wild west with people’s privacy?

It doesn’t even need to be on an international basis (it would be better if it was through), individual countries can legislate on this and the companies will obey the laws in those countries like they do across real-world borders because they want to do business in those countries.

Totally agree. The sad fact of the world is that you sometimes have to save people from themselves. Hell I’m all about privacy and yet I have a Facebook page.

We live in a time where all of this is still relatively “new” and politics and politicians and legislation hasn’t really caught up to the jump in technology, and we’re going to see (hopefully in our lifetimes) a change to that someday.

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#1194661
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

oojason said:

Tyrphanax said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TM2YC said:

Tyrphanax said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/07/london-stabbings-300-extra-police-deployed-streets-tackle-spike/

Sounds like it’s all under control over there in the nanny state.

“You could be a mum or dad, big brother, big sister, a friend, a girlfriend, a boyfriend who knows somebody carrying a knife, leaving their home with a knife, involved in criminality - there’s no honour in keeping that a secret,” he said.

“You should try and prevent that person carrying a knife, leaving home with a knife.”

Insanity. “Just disarm yourselves, populace, and don’t worry: the government will keep you safe.”

Addendum:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/18/plans-to-make-delivery-of-knives-sold-online-to-private-addresses-illegal-knife-crime

Knives bought online will in future have to be collected in person, with retailers responsible for checking that all buyers are 18 or older. New powers are also proposed for the police to seize banned weapons such as zombie knives, knuckledusters and throwing stars if they are found in someone’s home, and to arrest those involved.

I can’t even wrap my head around the fact that we actually live in a world where things like this are going on. I carry a pocket knife every day because it’s useful in many situations at home or out and about or at work or really anywhere. It’s crazy to think that could be considered a criminal act in some places.

I can’t even wrap my head around the fact that you can’t even wrap your head around that fact.

I’m guessing that he’s saying that they’re obviously not dangerous enough to warrant this action since a butcher knife would be just as easy to get and just as deadly.

More or less, though as I understand it, it’s the kitchen knives that are the bigger issue in England than the pocket knives.

Directed more generally than specifically, a big part of why I’m being dramatically incredulous about it is that it appears that the relative inaccessibility of firearms in England hasn’t really solved their violence problems, and has just lead to more restrictions on less destructive things, with possibly more to come.

You have guns, people use them for bad things, you severely restrict guns, people start using knives for bad, you severely restrict knives, people start using rocks or tire irons for bad… where does that end? And let’s not get into the “slippery slope fallacy” thing because this slope looks fairly slippery to me: we’re talking about a minimum age of 18 to buy a knife, and only being able to buy knives through authorized dealers, so what do we look at next? Background checks and licensing just so you can chop an onion? I mean come on. The knife laws there are looking like the gun laws here, and the violence is apparently still going on, so it stands to reason that on this trajectory, ten, fifteen, twenty years down the road, we’ll be in the same boat. Is it less costly violence? Sure, granted, but if the rallying cry is “not one more,” and children are being stabbed to death, isn’t this still a solid F grade? At what point do we face the hard truth that restricting the implement isn’t rectifying the issue?

You can argue “well clearly it’s a problem, so why shouldn’t they do something about it? Who needs a knife anyway unless they need it in a professional capacity?” like people say about guns here now. Why shouldn’t MFM have a switchblade? Why shouldn’t I own a meat cleaver? What will people be saying that about next? And at what point do people stop sacrificing their rights to be treated like human beings on the alter of a supposed greater good that doesn’t really seem to be serving too many people. And you can say “Silly paranoid Tyr; they’re only repealing this one amendment, they’ll never touch the others,” but can we be sure of that? At what point do we stop and realize we’ve traded all of our rights for “protection”?

And yet they’re having to put hundreds more cops on the street to stop a wave of violent stabbings in London, or the School Resource Officer who is trained and tasked solely with protecting our children decides he’s better off staying outside.

I don’t know. It all feels like the point is being missed here. I admit that this is a bit dystopian and hopefully exaggerated, but it feels like a more and more real possibility as we see more and more articles that give me those creepy 1984 vibes. And I promise I’m not sitting naked in my bath tub with my tin foil hat on, clutching my scary black rifle waiting for the black helicopters to come to take me away, I’m just trying to spark some discussion. Let me know what you all think.

The Guardian article you linked to earlier refers to a series a measures to stop kids buying zombie knives, knuckledusters, throwing stars - including them being bought online by kids, and then used against others. An adult can still buy them online (and then picked up at a local store in person, with an age check) - or can still just pop down the shop and buy them.

People who need one for their work in a public setting (ie, tradesmen) will not be affected - other than the odd overzealous copper - as stated before. At home in the UK you can have a meat cleaver, kitchen knives, or other big knife etc - where does it say anyone can’t?

I’m not sure where you got the ‘authorised dealers’ thing from - you can pick an item up from any store with a online order facility these days. Any adult can still go into any store that sells a knife and buy one.

England is just one part of the UK mate - you’ll likely spark some more discussion with UK’ers on here if you acknowledge that - especially the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish 😉

We’ve had a few acid attacks in the UK of late - horrifying attacks leading to pain and disfigurement of people just going about their everyday lives - by frustrated and likely unbalanced kids and young adults. This has led to some restrictions on the sale of certain acids to the public (as well as companies being reminded to keep any acids or chemicals secure stored) - making it a little more difficult for joe public to get their hands on the stuff. Nanny state, eh? restricting the ‘right’ to buy acid and then walk down the street with it…

It may look a ‘slippery slope’ to you - but stopping kids buying cleavers, zombie knives and other big knives online doesn’t seem a bad idea to me, and if adults have to be slightly inconvenienced in proving their age to buy one in a shop, then so be it - the extra ten seconds to pull out their driving licence or other ID and show it to the shop assistant is quite a small price to pay, no?^

^ - which is something we’ve already been doing for years.

Thanks for your post, I always enjoy hearing other perspectives, and you’re definitely more familiar with the system in practice than I could be. You make it sound less heinous, but it still doesn’t sit quite right with me.

Also my apologies for the England vs. UK mistake, which is particularly embarrassing because I do actually know better.

Post
#1194507
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

TM2YC said:

Tyrphanax said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/07/london-stabbings-300-extra-police-deployed-streets-tackle-spike/

Sounds like it’s all under control over there in the nanny state.

“You could be a mum or dad, big brother, big sister, a friend, a girlfriend, a boyfriend who knows somebody carrying a knife, leaving their home with a knife, involved in criminality - there’s no honour in keeping that a secret,” he said.

“You should try and prevent that person carrying a knife, leaving home with a knife.”

Insanity. “Just disarm yourselves, populace, and don’t worry: the government will keep you safe.”

Addendum:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/18/plans-to-make-delivery-of-knives-sold-online-to-private-addresses-illegal-knife-crime

Knives bought online will in future have to be collected in person, with retailers responsible for checking that all buyers are 18 or older. New powers are also proposed for the police to seize banned weapons such as zombie knives, knuckledusters and throwing stars if they are found in someone’s home, and to arrest those involved.

I can’t even wrap my head around the fact that we actually live in a world where things like this are going on. I carry a pocket knife every day because it’s useful in many situations at home or out and about or at work or really anywhere. It’s crazy to think that could be considered a criminal act in some places.

I can’t even wrap my head around the fact that you can’t even wrap your head around that fact.

I’m guessing that he’s saying that they’re obviously not dangerous enough to warrant this action since a butcher knife would be just as easy to get and just as deadly.

More or less, though as I understand it, it’s the kitchen knives that are the bigger issue in England than the pocket knives.

Directed more generally than specifically, a big part of why I’m being dramatically incredulous about it is that it appears that the relative inaccessibility of firearms in England hasn’t really solved their violence problems, and has just lead to more restrictions on less destructive things, with possibly more to come.

You have guns, people use them for bad things, you severely restrict guns, people start using knives for bad, you severely restrict knives, people start using rocks or tire irons for bad… where does that end? And let’s not get into the “slippery slope fallacy” thing because this slope looks fairly slippery to me: we’re talking about a minimum age of 18 to buy a knife, and only being able to buy knives through authorized dealers, so what do we look at next? Background checks and licensing just so you can chop an onion? I mean come on. The knife laws there are looking like the gun laws here, and the violence is apparently still going on, so it stands to reason that on this trajectory, ten, fifteen, twenty years down the road, we’ll be in the same boat. Is it less costly violence? Sure, granted, but if the rallying cry is “not one more,” and children are being stabbed to death, isn’t this still a solid F grade? At what point do we face the hard truth that restricting the implement isn’t rectifying the issue?

You can argue “well clearly it’s a problem, so why shouldn’t they do something about it? Who needs a knife anyway unless they need it in a professional capacity?” like people say about guns here now. Why shouldn’t MFM have a switchblade? Why shouldn’t I own a meat cleaver? What will people be saying that about next? And at what point do people stop sacrificing their rights to be treated like human beings on the alter of a supposed greater good that doesn’t really seem to be serving too many people. And you can say “Silly paranoid Tyr; they’re only repealing this one amendment, they’ll never touch the others,” but can we be sure of that? At what point do we stop and realize we’ve traded all of our rights for “protection”?

And yet they’re having to put hundreds more cops on the street to stop a wave of violent stabbings in London, or the School Resource Officer who is trained and tasked solely with protecting our children decides he’s better off staying outside.

I don’t know. It all feels like the point is being missed here. I admit that this is a bit dystopian and hopefully exaggerated, but it feels like a more and more real possibility as we see more and more articles that give me those creepy 1984 vibes. And I promise I’m not sitting naked in my bath tub with my tin foil hat on, clutching my scary black rifle waiting for the black helicopters to come to take me away, I’m just trying to spark some discussion. Let me know what you all think.

Post
#1194111
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

What if I’m a construction worker and forget to take off my toolbelt when I go on break to get lunch. Is my phillips-head screwdriver really that threatening? This is truly a case where if people want to hurt someone, they’ll do it. We can’t sacrifice daily items like kitchen knives, pocket knives, screwdrivers, etc. just because they can be used for violence. I mean, shit you could probably beat a guy to death with a Sunday New York Times if you really cared enough. (line stolen from George Carlin)

It’s not exactly that bad, but it’s still ridiculous and smells suspiciously like a slippery slope to me.

https://www.police.uk/crime-prevention-advice/possession-of-weapons/

Knives

It is illegal to:

  • sell a knife of any kind to anyone under 18 years old (16 to 18 year olds in Scotland can buy cutlery and kitchen knives)
  • carry a knife in public without good reason - unless it’s a knife with a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62 cm) or less, e.g. a Swiss Army knife (a “lock knife” does not come into the category of “folding pocket knife” because it is not immediately foldable at all times)
  • carry, buy or sell any type of banned knife
  • use any knife in a threatening way (including a legal knife, such as a Swiss Army knife)

Good reasons for carrying a knife

Examples of good reasons to carry a knife in public can include:

  • taking knives you use at work to and from work
  • taking knives to a gallery or museum to be exhibited
  • the knife is going to be used for theatre, film, television, historical reenactment or religious purposes, e.g. the kirpan some Sikhs carry

A court will decide if you’ve got a good reason to carry a knife if you’re charged with carrying it illegally.

Banned knives

Examples of knives that are completely banned are:

  • disguised knife
  • stealth knife & baton
  • sword
  • zombie knife

This is not a complete list of banned knives and weapons. Contact your local police to check if a knife or weapon is illegal.

The idea that you can get popped and have to convince a court that you had a good reason to be carrying a knife sounds really uncool to me.

Post
#1194094
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/07/london-stabbings-300-extra-police-deployed-streets-tackle-spike/

Sounds like it’s all under control over there in the nanny state.

“You could be a mum or dad, big brother, big sister, a friend, a girlfriend, a boyfriend who knows somebody carrying a knife, leaving their home with a knife, involved in criminality - there’s no honour in keeping that a secret,” he said.

“You should try and prevent that person carrying a knife, leaving home with a knife.”

Insanity. “Just disarm yourselves, populace, and don’t worry: the government will keep you safe.”

Addendum:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/18/plans-to-make-delivery-of-knives-sold-online-to-private-addresses-illegal-knife-crime

Knives bought online will in future have to be collected in person, with retailers responsible for checking that all buyers are 18 or older. New powers are also proposed for the police to seize banned weapons such as zombie knives, knuckledusters and throwing stars if they are found in someone’s home, and to arrest those involved.

I can’t even wrap my head around the fact that we actually live in a world where things like this are going on. I carry a pocket knife every day because it’s useful in many situations at home or out and about or at work or really anywhere. It’s crazy to think that could be considered a criminal act in some places.

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#1194034
Topic
Random Pictures and Gifs (now with winning!) [NSFW]
Time

dahmage said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

It is ideal for us to cite sources when we can.

No it isn’t, not for silly images it’s not.

Who said that? Source?

“No it isn’t, not for silly images it’s not” (Frink, 2018).

Works Cited
Frink, T. (2018, April 8). Post #1194023. Retrieved April 8, 2018, from http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1194023