I always thought that moon was supposed to be blue as, when the camera pans down from the crawl, it momentarily looks like our earth and moon. Then suddenly the massive world of Tatooine rises into shot and we realise that we really are in another galaxy. Very effective if that was the original intent. 😃
I can confirm that the stage light and potted plant that are visible during the T-Rex attack are present on the UHD. These were digitally removed in the 3D release.
That’s the only alteration that I’m aware of (apart from some horrendous clone-stamping of grass and bushes). If there are any other changes you’d like me to check, just let me know.
…except that I very much liked the girl I went to see it with.
I’m guessing you never saw her again. 😄
Yes, it goes quiet here from time to time 😃
Sometimes a month or two can go by without an update, I try to only update if something worthwhile is happening.
My personal life can get a bit chaotic, I have ongoing health issues (which is a bit of an understatement) , I have 4 kids ranging from 5-17 years old, and the 12 year old is permanently at a cognitive age of around 18-24 months old, so free time is challenging, as is earning a living, as I am the primary carer for the kids.
Currently, I’m out of time and money, I have some paid restoration work this month that is eating around 16 hours a day, which is good to pay the rent, unfortunately restoration doesn’t pay very well, even at the commercial level, and the work is gruelling.
The last month or so has been particularly busy.
I’m recovering from a mild heart attack, and this month has seen the youngest need a tonsillectomy and adenoids removed, and the hospital is a 3 hour drive away, so it meant extra nights away, and the recovery was rougher than I’d hoped. I also do casual work to make ends meet, and I’ve had to take a few shift the last two months to feed the beasts.
My eldest is sitting her HSC exams this year (similar to the SATs or GCSE A-Levels) so a lot of the remaining spare time is spent helping her study and with assignments and essays, and the youngest needs stories at bedtime and isn’t at school until next year, so parenting takes up any non-working waking hours.
My 12 year old is fully-grown, so is the size of a fully grown woman, but has the temperament and abilities of a toddler aged 2 years or less in some areas. This is immensely challenging and time consuming, and creates a lot of safety issues for the 5 year old as you can imagine. When a ‘grown-up’ has a tantrum and lashes out if you take a toy off her, the results can be literally deadly to a small child, so managing them all can be, well, interesting to say the least.
She needs help toileting, bathing, with stairs, getting in and out of cars, pretty much everything you have to do for an 18 month old, and it will be that way forever sadly.
So my work on restoring films here comes in fits and starts. There are times when I am out of paid work, and can throw a reasonable amount of time and energy into it. Sometimes I get some better paid work and can sink some more funds into getting prints, getting them cleaned and scanned, so that stuff tends to happen in chunks as well.
Lately, equipment has been a real PITA. High end scanners are temperamental beasts, and the main unit had a focus motor problem, which took a while to get fixed, then the focus motor blew completely, which required the whole optical assembly to be removed and sent away. This creates a backlog on the commercial jobs and pushes the stuff here back a bit until the backlog is cleared.
Then sometimes the scanner unit is available, but physical exhaustion kicks in and you just can’t drag yourself to do it that night. (it all happens from midnight till dawn typically).
Cleaning a reel costs around US$200, and freight is annoyingly expensive as well, purchasing or renting the prints is also costly, and you always take a bit of a punt as to what condition the film will be in.
Scanning a reel at triple flash, with infrared at 4K full frame takes about 12 hours per 20 minute reel, and is around 4TB per reel, (and another 4TB to back it up) so it is a big undertaking of time and resources, and then sometimes the film will unspool due to a dodgy splice, or some crap will get in the gate and you have to rescan, or the scanner will just decide to be a recalcitrant old fart and not co-operate, and you have to wait for another night to scan that reel.
The restoration work once the scan is done then takes a huge amount of time and resources, just moving the files around can take ages. I’m currently waiting 12 hours for a file transfer to finish - backup two reels from my server to another hard drive so that I can clear enough space to load up the next scanned reel to start work on it.
So that is a long way around of saying that best laid plans sometimes go a bit off track, and that sometimes life and money get in the way, and things go quiet for a while.
At the moment, I am waiting on scanner access again to get the ANH SE scan finished, and I have five reels of a commercial restoration due in 3 weeks, and I’m going to be struggling to meet that deadline, but it will pay the rent, so I am working mostly on that. In the background I am transferring files around to make enough space so that I can get back to ESB as soon as that job is out the door.
Don’t expect to see much from me until May is done, then hopefully ANH might be scanned and I’ll have some time to get some progress on the original ESB.
Commendable and truly inspiring. Much love and best wishes to your family and especially your daughter.
I understand and if that’s your final word then I’m more than happy with things as they are and thank you once again for this project. I know you have other projects and only so much time to work on them.
Can I ask however if you would consider sharing your FCP project so that I might take a look into the issue myself?
Ok. I can confirm that the UK BD framerate is 23.976fps. So if you ensure that your project is set to that framerate and you export at that framerate then there shouldn’t be any playback issues.
I see. That’s odd. I’m not at home right now so I can’t confirm the framerate of the BD but I’m sure that (as with the vast majority of BDs) it will be either 24fps or 23.976fps. Perhaps, if it’s the latter, that maybe why you’re getting some choppiness encoding at 24fps?
There is certainly a problem somewhere as having your project framerate set to the same framerate as the source should not cause choppiness. I wish I understood FCP better to be able to identify where the problem might be. I’ll check the BD framerate tomorrow and report back.
Thanks so much for this Mango and glad I could help. V2 is looking and sounding great.
If I may make an observation; as with V1, it’s still running at 60fps as opposed to the source (theatrical) framerate of 24fps meaning that the encoder has altered the source by adding duplicate frames. I can’t see any reason why this would be done deliberately so I’m guessing it’s an error in the encoding settings. Would it be a simple matter to re-encode with the original source framerate?
No problem, Mango. As soon as the disc arrives I’ll drop you a PM. So glad to hear. The UK BD video is exactly the same master as the US BD except for the higher bitrate and restored fade so it should just be a case of dropping the new source into your existing project.
Could I possibly make two further suggestions for the new version? Firstly, the current MOV is encoded to run at 60fps rather than the source 23.976fps. I assume that this is just an error. Secondly, would you consider encoding at a much higher bitrate? TTCM is extremely grainy and if you look at the caps (https://www.caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&a=0&d1=4769&d2=5083&s1=44383&s2=47376&i=0&l=0) you’ll see that even the US BD’s bitrate is unable to retain the grain without artefacts whereas the UK BD’s higher bitrate does far better. It would be a shame to lose this.
A thousand thanks. 😃
I’ve since learned that the 4K UHD has issues with macroblocking in fast moving scenes. Hence I’m putting forward (and offering) the UK 40th anniversary BD as the best available source.
Ok. In the spirit of putting my money where my mouth is, I just purchased the UK BD. This contains a higher bitrate transfer of the movie with none of the compression artefacts of the US disc, the restored boot shot and the original mono audio.
If you’re interested, I will gladly rip the disc when I receive it and upload the source files for you to use. Alternatively I’d be equally happy to donate the disc to your project if you would prefer.
If however you’re not interested in working on this any further then would you consider kindly sharing the project files that I could use to apply your excellent regrade to the UK source?
As I’ve stated in every post, I’m truly grateful for your work on this project and it has me really excited for what this can become. I’d like to help in any way that I can. Thanks again.
Hey, I wasn’t suggesting for a moment that you buy another copy of the movie. If you’re interested in improving your project with the 4K or fixed UK video then I’ll happily do my best to obtain a source for you. If you’re not interested then you only need say so and your regrade is no less appreciated.
It’s common on these forums for a project to receive suggestions as to how it could be improved. Harmy has a thread devoted to solely this purpose. It simply serves to show how much interest and enthusiasm there is in what you’re doing. Surely this is better than releasing your hard work and receiving no feedback at all.
First I’d like to thank you for this Mangowolf. I love the regraded colours.
I was sincerely hoping that the UK 40th anniversary Bluray was used as the source for this. Sadly it appears that the source was the US 40th anniversary Bluray which contains an editing error at the beginning of the movie. At 01:46 there is a close-up of a boot which is supposed to fade out to black as all the other shots in this sequence do. In the US release (and this regrade) the fade is replaced by a hard cut to black. This error is not present on the UK disc and the shot fades out as it should.
EDIT: Also may be worth a mention that the German 4K UHD release is also fixed and has the correct fade.
Now this is interesting 😃.
The first time I ever saw TTCM was on late night TV eons ago. It had this warm orange cast to it which was particularly noticeable in the outdoor daytime shots. It really created a dry and arid feeling which (for me) greatly enhanced the atmosphere. When the movie came out on DVD, I snapped it up but was massively disappointed to discover that the orange cast was missing and everything now looked bright and colourful, a look that I’ve seen carried over to every home video release since. I was beginning to wonder if the “orange” version I first saw was some error on the part of the TV network. But if this is the original theatrical colouring then I’m stoked and can’t wait to watch this again the way I saw it the first time.
Many thanks Mangowolf. Can I ask though; would you consider producing a 4K version using the German UHD Bluray as a source? This 4K release is SDR only so it wouldn’t require any dodgy HDR/SDR conversion and the look of the grain in full 2160p is wonderful. See here:
There are some issues with raised blacks in this version but I would imagine this could be easily corrected.
Yoda seems to have lost his ghostly haze in the corrected frame.
What I’m saying is that the yellow/green tint is even more pronounced on the UHD.
I can’t post screenshots as there’s no way to properly screenshot HDR images but flicking back and forth between the BD and the UHD shows that the UHD definitely has more of a green cast with the BD being closer to how I remember the movie looking in the cinema.
Does anyone else have the UHD release? It seems to me that the yellow cast is WAY more pronounced in the UHD version than the regular BD.
I’ve looked at it on two different setups so I’m pretty sure it’s not my calibration that’s off.
The avforums guys may have a point. A lot of how the dynamic range is displayed is dependant on your equipment and settings. For example; in the UHD of Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire, the ghosts that appear during the battle with Voldemort are often blown out to the point of having no detail at all on many people’s setups. But turn the contrast way down and the full detail returns (making the rest of the movie almost unwatchably dark). It’s just the case that the display (or in your case the software) is not remapping the dynamic range in an intelligent way but the detail is still there. This is the biggest problem with HDR at the moment and you’ll find much more detailed and accurate info than I can provide by googling the subject.
That being said, I’m only speculating that this is the case with Starship Troopers. I’ll run it through my HDR-capable setup later on today and report back as to whether the detail missing from those screenshots is actually blown out in the transfer.
So you didn’t make a BD25 version at all. Typical.
Typical of what exactly?
The BD has some horribly blown out whites. This is particularly noticeable in the opening of the ark sequence. A lot of detail has been irretrievably lost. The WOWOW makes for a far better source in my view.
Sounds great! Any chance of a purely restored version without the PJ spider pit scene?
Thanks for this kk650. Are you planning to release an IMAX version with left sidebar removed as you did for GOTG1? That’s my go-to version for the first movie and I’d love the same for GOTG2.
Great news! Looking forward to V2. 😃
First of all, thank you for taking on this project. I’ve just downloaded your custom BD from the link you kindly provided and I love your restored colours and audio. 😃
I have a couple of questions. I’ve just done a side by side comparison with your edition and the remastered Bluray. Unless there is something seriously amiss with my set up, it appears that your version has lost some detail (possibly due to compression?). For example; if you look at the static shot at around 5:30 with David and Jack walking away down the road, there are spots on the road that are visible in the BD but not in your encode.
Also, the BD has a lot of fine yet visible grain which is missing in your version. This can be noticed when the boys walk into The Slaughtered Lamb; the painted walls show the BD’s grain nicely whereas there is none to be seen in your encode. Would you consider releasing a BD-50 version to see if a higher bitrate might correct this issue?
One other small thing: The Universal logo at the beginning seems ‘choppy’ as it zooms in. On the BD it is silky smooth. This issue does not seems to affect the rest of the film (or is too small to be noticeable elsewhere).
I hope you don’t take this a criticism of your wonderful release. I still consider it my go-to version as I don’t think I can go back to the BD colours and audio now that I’ve experienced the difference. Many thanks again.
The BD has too many issues which can’t be fixed. Some things are too altered color wise or overexposed to the point of obliterating detail. The orange/teal color is inconsistently applied, sometimes to the point of erasing the original colors and some detail. The opening of the ark sequence in particular is recolored and overexposed beyond salvaging. It’s truly one of the worst examples of a famous scene being completely effed up. I can’t believe Spielberg ever approved it. The couple of re-composited shots you mentioned could be taken from the blu, but I would use wowow for everything else. And even that has a few problems. The only properly exposed official transfer of Raiders is the DVD, but there isn’t a good enough HD transfer of that available.
Thanks for the details, litemakr. Do you know if anybody has put out a version of the WOWOW with the Japanese subs and channel logo removed?
EDIT: Just came across Chewtobacca’s custom BluRay. Sounds like just the thing I’m after. 😃