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Bingowings said:

What's the point of the Han shot first controversy if there are three Gringos in that shot alone.

   LOL.

darth_ender said:

Not enough bumping.  We'd hate it if people forgot about this.

Ok then:

"bump-ski-deedee, bump-ski-deedee, bump-ski-deedee, BUMP!!!!"

Bingowings said:

pat man said:

Do you see this Mr.Lucas or Lucasfilm,FOX,THX,and ILM?

Mr THoX LucasfILM sees all.

lol.

Bingowings said:

Suddenly that guy on Forcenet doesn't seem quite as strange.

 No, Bingo...he still is:

       posted by obi-rob-kenob4,  after a poster named 'StarWar' put up

       some visual comparisons between the '77 prints and the 2004    

       restoration:  

"Things like that dont fool me. Sorry.

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

Monolithium said:

Bingowings said:

Imagine a PT about a the rise to power of the Emperor instead of the fall from grace of an already rather unlikable git who only really becomes interesting and fun in the three films that pre-existed it.

"I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I HATE THEM!"

This dialogue, originally written for Anakin, would sound great coming from Sidious.

True ... in the right context, anyway ... not as a cackling she-bitch ...

 

LOL.   I am SO naming my doom metal band "She-Bitch".....

pittrek said:

bkev said:

I think pittrek is saying that he didn't mind that the dewbacks from the original film were replaced with CG ones in the "look sir, droids" scene and others.

Correct.

  Everyone is correct.....

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

pittrek said:

digital dewbacks and other animals - both were originally planned to be in the movie

I see a problem with this statement. Does anyone else?

 

 Yes.  

pittrek said:

- actually I would love if the whole sandbarge sequence would be re-shot or at least re-composited so that it looks like a fight sequence and not a bizarre ballet number

???  I don't follow the 'bizarre ballet number'....

msycamore said:

  

RETURN OF THE JEDI

• The opening crawl on the 70mm prints used the music John Williams scored for the opening crawl to The Empire Strikes Back. *

This I definitely did NOT know (or notice?)....hmmm.

Baronlando said:

Darth Bizarro said:

Sorry to bump this but I found this article that reminded me of your first post so much I just had to leave this here.

http://www.thestarwarsheresies.blogspot.com/2012/04/its-all-greek-to-me.html

Seems like a barrel of laffs!

 The whole premise of that site is bullshit. 

Mike O said:

SilverWook said:

The sad part is '97 Jabba looks more like this fellow than the original Jedi puppet. ;)

What is God's name is that!?

 "Chet", from the 1985 Val Kilmer movie,  "Real Genius".  

Not quite

SilverWook said:

The tv cut of The Exorcist I've seen is unintentionally funny as characters constantly spout "Judas Priest!"

 I used to think that was the "real thing"......

  "YOU HAVE NO ANSWER!!!!!!!"

   there..done.

SilverWook

Guess what I should have said is, did Tarkin know Vader when he was a Jedi?

 Wait....what?  When was Tarkin ever a Jedi?

  j/k

twooffour said:

If it said "the worst of the THREE movies", I would maybe read it.
Worse than the prequels, though? I call bullshit on that, without even looking.

   My thoughts exactly.

Anchorhead said:

hairy_hen said:

It's just another example of people tossing out meaningless hyperbolic catch-phrases and terminology they don't understand to make things sound scary or bad.  I unwittingly get enough of that just walking by when someone is watching the 'news', and I'd really appreciate it if it would stop being done here.

Also, some of our more perspective-lacking members might want to seriously think about getting some kind of counseling or treatment.  Willful failure to restore and release a series of films <<<<<<<<< war crimes.  Seriously—stow it with the depressive crap already.

I agree.  As a petition\discussion forum, we are in a different place than we were several years ago.  We're no longer a community that only other Star Wars nerds know about (whether they support us or not).  We are getting mention in respected blogs and on-line magazines. 

Our community has also given rise to a now published and respected Star Wars historian - whom the  Library Of Congress now directs people to for Star Wars fact checking.

With this release of the Blu-rays and the problems & lies surrounding them, there is new acknowledgment of our cause, as well as a spike in outspoken celebrities and mainstream bloggers calling attention to us (sometimes directly). 

I'm disappointed that interested new members may come here looking for usable information and instead see bickering,  Lucas-bashing, and  trolling.  We can do better.  We need to do better if things are ever going to change. Constructive, truthful, emotionally-driven criticism is one thing, and I'm all for it.  Comparing Lucas to a Nazi is just going to get us ridiculed - or worse - ignored.

Personally, I'd like to see the original  theatrical versions released - not who can post the best insult or the most obnoxious tall building picture.  Save it for Thunderdome Off-Topic.

 

  I agree,  Anchorhead.   My only caveat would be to say,  "look where petitioning got us":

"Grow up.  These are MY movies.  Not YOURS."     -   G. Lucas

TV's Frink said:

You must be a real treat at parties.

  LOL...as if an internet discussion board would give a realistic expectation of what people are like outside of the internet. 

twister111 said:

To me the Star Wars dialogue makes Anakin a complete moron and, Windu & Palpatine sound like children fighting over a toy.

 

 LOL.  I'd never viewed it that way before....

Also,  a comparison between Power Rangers and the PT - where Power Rangers comes out looking better - is kind of proving haljordan's whole point, I think.

timdiggerm said:

http://cdn.comicartfans.com/Images/Category_13911/subcat_27856/Jawa%20Fortress%20McQ%20S.jpg

  I think Tyrphanax meant the Leia/Playboy Bunny pic......

American Hominid said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

I don't see anything wrong with shades of gray in Star Wars. Hell, one of the main reasons that the PT-styled Sith suck so much is because there are no shades of gray in the way they're written. 

QFT.

(Though I can see how Anakin's turn was supposed to be identified with, I think.) 

Antagonists - and protagonists, for that matter - who are each simply avatars for one side of a binary system of objective morality are boring and hard to identify with.

I don't think the OT was fully black and white, and I don't even mean the fact that Anakin showed the possibility of redemption.  Even in SW77, Vader's motivations for learning the dark side (in the backstory) might have been understandable. For example, I got the sense that he was frustrated with his lack of progress under Obi-Wan, and was tempted by the easier way to access power.  This impression was only strengthened by ESB.  The Empire was about ruling and maintaining a rigid hierarchy and inflexible standards.

Those are all understandable motivations. Even if I tend to disagree with people who actually evince them, I can often see where they're coming from. I know they're called the 'evil Empire' in the scroll, but I think the brutality of their methods can account for this; their goals being overtly 'Evil' is unnecessary, and uninteresting.  GL said around the time ROTS came out, no one counts themselves as evil.  Everyone does things for reasons that are right to them.  And in that, I think he was right.

Note also that at the time of the OT, only Vader was called a Dark Lord of the Sith.  GL knew this was to refer to a dark side group, but neither the Empire nor Palpatine himself were called Sithly.  Also, (possibly as a result of this) the Sith were presented in the EU as a culture, one that focused on dark side magic, but not the only one.  Dark siders didn't necessarily have to have any particular cultural affiliation, and light siders didn't either (which is how you saw a lot of Dark Jedi and also light side sects like the Aing-Tii).

In the PT, I definitely got more of a binary between the Jedi and the Sith as representatives of the two sides of the Force. 

(As an aside: for me, the Force works better as simply Power, a Life Force for the universe, which can be accessed within normal natural constraints (light side) or by ignoring those limits (dark side).  If the universe is a bottle containing the Coke of the Force, a light sider would access it by unscrewing the cap, which is a bit more complicated and time-consuming, while a dark sider would just break the bottle and let it pour out.  But I digress.)

I think in the PT and the EU after it, the Jedi and Sith were placed in binary opposition and their conflict was upscaled from simply involving two groups of Force users who chose different methods with very different levels of collateral damage to one involving the structure of the Force itself.  To me, this is different from much of what we saw in the OT.

EDIT: Maybe that last sentence really gets at something: it might be different if the OT gave the impression that the Empire was about the return of a dark side Culture and their desire to rule the galaxy.  But given the way we mostly see the admirals, stormtroopers, etc, and the fact that while both Vader and the Emperor use the dark side they don't seem to have any explicit shared cultural affiliation except 'Imperial,' making the Empire instead "really" about Sith factional domination feels mismatched.  It seemed to me like it was about certain political ideologies, for which the dark side was a tool of enforcement.

   This 10+

TheoOdo said:

And, true to form, the invulnerable, world destroying super-weapon is once again pulverized by an utterly outmatched team of fish people, prune faced weirdos and an oddly masculine sounding woman.

Bad move, Empire.

   lol.

asterisk8 said:

ToscheStation said:

TV's Frink said:

ToscheStation said:

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

It's worthy to note, however, that the Windu vs. Palpatine duel had next to no acrobatics (only one short frame of CG Palps doing some frog flip against a desk), and it was one of the most tense, intense duels in the prequels.

All of Palpatine's terrible facial expressions would like a "word" with you.

 

   lol.

 TV's Frink said:  "The Titanic would like a word with you."

 make that two "would like a word with you" references.......

....hmmm, sounds familiar.

I never claimed I don't recycle jokes.

     Two negatives* don't make a right....

    * "I never" +  "I don't"

 

Nothing wrong there, grammatically. It's a rhetorical figure of speech known as a "litote", an understatement that often uses double negatives to deny the opposite of the case.

  "two negatives don't make a right" =  Joke fail

TV's Frink said:

ToscheStation said:

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

It's worthy to note, however, that the Windu vs. Palpatine duel had next to no acrobatics (only one short frame of CG Palps doing some frog flip against a desk), and it was one of the most tense, intense duels in the prequels.

All of Palpatine's terrible facial expressions would like a "word" with you.

 

   lol.

 TV's Frink said:  "The Titanic would like a word with you."

 make that two "would like a word with you" references.......

....hmmm, sounds familiar.

I never claimed I don't recycle jokes.

     Two negatives* don't make a right....

    * "I never" +  "I don't"

Actually,  I meant that your "would like a word with you "   bits reminded me of another poster on a different SW message board.

lordsidi said:

The whole "clouding minds" idea was stupid to begin with.
He could've been able to shield himself from easy detection, or maybe play tricks on people here and there, but that's fucking it....excuse me,but I remember well in the ROTJ novel where the say after the Emperor's death,the Imperial Fleet lost it's cohesiveness and without his extreme will focused on his forces they were routed. I would say that if he had the power to influence his fleet he would be able to cloud the jedi from knowing who he really was.

  his "fleet" =  "regular joes"  aka non-Jedi

  vs.

 Jedi

  the "cloud equation" does not compute