Tomland Flash

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Post: #258094
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/258094/action/topic#258094
Time: 22-Nov-2006 1:17 PM

Originally posted by: Laserman
Well it means is we are trying to restore the shot to its original state, so vasocam will be retained for the archives.

I'm also having a look at what some minimal colour correction can do to minimise the effect and clean it up in an unobtrusive way for my own version.

I expect if an untouched version (exception: DVNR) isn't released there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Mini-rant re: pink area under speeder specifically:
I know the story of the shot vasoline etc..., but I have to wonder if people would even care if Lucas had said he intended the area underneath the speeder to blurred.
How do we know the technology (in this fictitious world) wouldn't produce a distorted effect underneath the speeder? Wouldn't it be more likely that there *would* be some kind of visible evidence? Even after I knew how the shot was done it never bothered me for those reasons.

Post: #254959
Topic: Idea: Preserving STAR TREK - a preservation project?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254959/action/topic#254959
Time: 5-Nov-2006 4:38 PM

I'm interested in the commentary/anecdotes that were part of the "SciFi Channel Special Edition" airings of TOS. They were shown in the 90's iirc, I enjoyed watching these. Perhaps they've already been preserved somewhere?

Post: #254939
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254939/action/topic#254939
Time: 5-Nov-2006 1:48 PM

My gut reaction to netgurucr's post is that they are trolling, or at best a maladjusted teenager, and the X0 shouldn't even consider replying to comments like that.

as to Laserman's suggestion of a blog, yes only because it would hopefully reduce the amount of time the team has to spend on informing those lucky enough to be benefitting from the generosity of the X0 project (assuming the team still feels they want to do this).
In fact I think it should only be done if the team gets the same satisfaction from it that people with blogs or diaries do, i.e. never because someone is whining about the project's progress.

Thanks again X0 for your painstaking efforts and above all, your time

Post: #254937
Topic: FAN EDIT REQUEST THREAD - Post your dream Fan Edits Here!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254937/action/topic#254937
Time: 5-Nov-2006 1:16 PM

Originally posted by: cashflagg
Another relatively simple one.

I wish someone would take the French (and only) DVD of KILLING ZOE Director's Cut and add English subtitles for the French-language sequences. Of course, the theatrical version could be utilized for the correct subtitles.

That is all.
definitely. I didn't know there was a director's cut of KZ
I'd like to see an extended Wrath of Khan edit incorporating all the deleted scenes including the leaked ones.

I'd like to see this too

Post: #248581
Topic: Eyes Wide Shut (Original Cut Preservation / Edit) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248581/action/topic#248581
Time: 28-Sep-2006 5:11 PM

Hi Nan Tucket,

Originally posted by: Nan Tucket
Well Tomland, I see your points, but I think I am still in a position to help. In addition to my R3 DVD, I also have the Canadian VHS release. So when I find the time I can at least confirm whether these two versions have different "chanting" during the scene in question.

To the best of my recollection, the chanting is the same, but I can't say for sure.

Unlike the "cloaked figures," I'm not really bothered by this alteration. It seems that Kubrick would definitely have approved of this change (didn't he in fact authorize it? ... I forget).
The chanting wasn't noticed until release, so he didn't authorize it. It's anyone's guess whether or not he would have removed it when people complained, but he did of course want it in the film or it wouldn't have been there in first place.

Originally posted by: Nan TucketIn any case, I'm still curious about resolving this "mystery" about the different video versions.

I'll be a little busy for the rest of this week, but I have this thread bookmarked, and when I get a chance I'll do a little side-by-side comparison and let you know what I have found.

thanks, I'll be interested in what you discover.
-TF

Post: #248129
Topic: Eyes Wide Shut (Original Cut Preservation / Edit) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248129/action/topic#248129
Time: 26-Sep-2006 5:45 PM

Originally posted by: suntech
Let me jump in. Maybe this will help. I lifted this from Matthew Hunt's website

<snip>

The Bhagavad Gita recital is not present in any video edition of the film, though it is included on the film's soundtrack CD. All Warners VHS and DVDs are 1.33:1 unmatted (Kubrick's preferred video format for the film), though they have numerous alterations: they are clearly cropped when compared with the ShoWest teaser, a reflected crew-member in the bathroom overdose scene was digitally erased, the jarring reel-changes were smoother, and the intentional graininess of the image was reduced. All NTSC editions have the orgy sex digitally censored whereas all PAL and SeCAM editions do not. Italian inserts were filmed to replace the English-language text in the warning letter handed to Bill and the newspaper article he reads, and are available on the Italian PAL VHS version."

Thanks suntech, but unless there's a good reason to take that guy's word as law the same problem continues, as you can still find conflicting claims on the net as to whether or not the Bhagavad Gita is intact in certain releases.

The first attempt I came accross of region comparisons of the film (with screen shots) was from a site called "dvddebate"...I finally found the link but the site is apparently defunct. Here are two more sites on the subject:
dvdcompare
dvdtalk
Like every other discussion on the subject (or most stuff on the net for that matter) people will make claims ad nauseum but without anything to back it up.

I have yet to hear of anyone sitting down and comparing a R3 (or R4?) version to R2/R1 to see if the chanting is different, much less anyone who could recognize the Bhagavad Gita if they heard it, assuming they know where in the film to listen for it.

Nan Tucket: Thanks for your offer, but I don't know where exactly to listen for it.

Post: #245356
Topic: Info: What is your dream fan edit if you could get the rare footage?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245356/action/topic#245356
Time: 18-Sep-2006 1:55 AM

Since it sounds like "lost" footage is fair game, I'm gonna have to shoot for the 10-hour version of Greed by Von Stroheim.

Anamorphic DVD only.
-TF

Post: #245354
Topic: Eyes Wide Shut (Original Cut Preservation / Edit) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245354/action/topic#245354
Time: 18-Sep-2006 1:42 AM

Originally posted by: Nan Tucket
Just 'bumping' this ancient thread to mention that I have the Hong Kong release, Region 3, unedited DVD-9 version of 'Eyes Wide Shut.' Product code: "Standard NA18085"

I understood from reading some web site (can't find it just now) that my version has the excised Hindu chanting or whatever. But I haven't checked that yet. I can check for that, or help in some other way.

Also: the movie was shot in 4:3 by Kubrick, and that was his expressed preference for home video viewing. He allowed it to be presented in 1.85:1 in theatres, yes (with some of the bottom/top of the full frame matted out). There will be no "widescreen" video release of this film. Likewise for a few other Kubrick movies, as mentioned above. I would expect that Kubrick's expressed preference on this question will be honoured by Warner video.

Nan (and anyone else interested),
I have been looking for a definitive answer to the question of whether or not the region 3 version is complete (has the chant) since I learned of the DVD. I've scanned the Kubrick newsgroup for years too and never got a real answer to the question. Early on it was reported the region 3 (and possibly region 4 also) had the chant intact but now & then someone would dispute that. It seems like someone would have sat down and played the thing with earphones or something by now but if someone had done anything that "scientific" I haven't seen any sign of it online.

I've thought about posting on the Kubrick NG about this several times since I still don't have a copy of one of the finest films ever made (inexcusable) but I figured I'd just get directed to some crusty thread I've read before, or someone would give their inconclusive opinion again.

SO, I would love to finally have an answer on this if anyone with access to the R3 disc is willing to do a comparison with one from another region and report back, I would love to finally have an answer!
-TF

Post: #245351
Topic: Eyes Wide Shut (Original Cut Preservation / Edit) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245351/action/topic#245351
Time: 18-Sep-2006 1:29 AM

was duplicate post, please ignore

Post: #231042
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/231042/action/topic#231042
Time: 31-Jul-2006 7:58 PM

Originally posted by: MeBeJedi

I guess you weren't hear when the actual creator of the TR47 set was posting here.

Anyways, there doesn't have to be one, single X0 release. We've talked about a possible "comparison" version, as least with the audio.

OK cool, I think I got my answer

. I definitely would like to be able to watch X0 with both stereo and mono mixes, but I'm obsessive enough to cringe when I think about compromising the quality even a little

Post: #231033
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/231033/action/topic#231033
Time: 31-Jul-2006 7:39 PM

Originally posted by: blitter
and in fact still has a copy of the 70mm stereo mix he ripped straight to cassettes

) but did not know of that many efforts being made, beyond the mono mix, to clean and restore them.

Going off on a slight tangent here, is the X0 DVD really the appropriate place to consider including as many audio mixes as possible? Seems to me that would leave less data that could be better used for encoding the video.

Thank you for saying that, that is exactly what was running through my mind when I heard Zion ask what we wanted as far as audio.
I still don't understand this - can the available space on a disc always be dedicated to improving the video, or is there a point where it literally makes no difference due to some magic number being reached that I wouldn't know about

?

Or...3rd option, does it become a question of individual perception because the difference in quality, while technically there, may not be noticeable by most people (if anyone)?

The reason I'm wondering is, depending on answer to the question, could having 2 X0 discs (one with stereo mix, one with mono mix) be justifiable?

Post: #229930
Topic: ?'s: ripping select scenes, & removing network logos
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/229930/action/topic#229930
Time: 27-Jul-2006 5:49 PM

Originally posted by: Moth3r

Originally posted by: Tomland Flash

Originally posted by: Moth3r
I recommend you learn AVISynth - it wouldn't be too hard to write a script to carry out the background pasting operation you describe.

yeah I should learn it since it's available. "Writing scripts" is something I haven't done since C-64 so doesn't seem likely, but never say never

Cutting and pasting with GUI seems like a natural thing to include in one of these editing programs, but maybe the execution of the idea isn't that simple.

I'm no scripting expert, but it's fairly easy to pick up.

For example, lets say your clip has a resolution of 720 x 480. The logo covers 100x100 in the top right of the frame, and appears in frames 50 to 99. Frames 0 to 49 contain the static background you want to overlay over the logo.

<snip>

(Some expert will probably suggest a much simpler way of doing it, but this should work...)

Moth3r, I'll see what I can do when I get AVISynth installed on editing computer. If there isn't a GUI way to do it I'll have to try that - if my poor brain can handle it. I don't like software with excessive graphics, but I'm usually lost without something. thanks again

Post: #229588
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/229588/action/topic#229588
Time: 26-Jul-2006 7:17 PM

Originally posted by: Sluggo
Just take the time and do it right.

any thought contradicting this credo re: X0 is a path to the dark side.

just...ahem...(bites fingernails) get it out there before that non-anamorphic thing enters the base

Post: #229575
Topic: ?'s: ripping select scenes, & removing network logos
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/229575/action/topic#229575
Time: 26-Jul-2006 6:50 PM

Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"OK thanks, it sounds like there isn't anything for just grabbing a scene from the source DVD, but a chapter is smaller than the whole thing."

DVD Shrink will let you specify a beginning and end point, as well as chapters. It's not exactly frame-specific, but it'll get you within a few seconds.

excellent, thanks MeBe

Post: #229068
Topic: ?'s: ripping select scenes, & removing network logos
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/229068/action/topic#229068
Time: 25-Jul-2006 3:29 PM

Originally posted by: Moth3r
I recommend you learn AVISynth - it wouldn't be too hard to write a script to carry out the background pasting operation you describe.

yeah I should learn it since it's available. "Writing scripts" is something I haven't done since C-64 so doesn't seem likely, but never say never

Cutting and pasting with GUI seems like a natural thing to include in one of these editing programs, but maybe the execution of the idea isn't that simple.

Post: #228756
Topic: ?'s: ripping select scenes, & removing network logos
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/228756/action/topic#228756
Time: 24-Jul-2006 4:57 PM

Hi Moth3r, thanks so much for your response

Originally posted by: Moth3r
You can use DVD Decrypter to rip single chapters, if that's any help.

OK thanks, it sounds like there isn't anything for just grabbing a scene from the source DVD, but a chapter is smaller than the whole thing.

There are several VirtualDub or AVISynth plugins available to remove logos. For a start, you could try:
http://neuron2.net/delogo132/delogo.html

Haven't tried AVISynth but I love VirtualDub.
The filter sounds nice, but what I'd really like to do is find something to cut out a select area, and then paste in area from other frames in the recording. Reason being I have a case where the logo appears and then disappears, but the background it's blocking never changes.
So if I can cut out logo area, and then paste in area from before or after the logo appearance (either identical amount of frames, or have same frame duplicated for correct amount of time), it should be perfect.

I will try posting on the virualdub filter forum or somewhere and see if I can find something like that. thanks again.

Post: #228511
Topic: Star Wars PSA's videos are on youtube
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/228511/action/topic#228511
Time: 23-Jul-2006 11:38 PM

Originally posted by: Zion
Links would be helpful, unless for some reason these are bootlegs of official releases.

surely, I didn't know if that was OK:

smoking PSA

immunization PSA

drunk driving PSA

Post: #228509
Topic: ?'s: ripping select scenes, & removing network logos
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/228509/action/topic#228509
Time: 23-Jul-2006 11:32 PM

Hi,
I've recently learned how to rip VHS to .AVI (thanks to videohelp), pretty pleased with the results. Now I need to rip some content from DVD's (non-encrypted).

I'm wondering if someone with experience can give me some quick answers re: ripping select content from a DVD, for translation to .AVI. Is there a way to do this without ripping the entire disc (and without compromising quality)?

Other question: Is there a freeware (or cheap) piece of software with options geared towards removing the network "bugs" (logos or ID's found in lower right corner)? It seems there would be something like that available, where you can just cut out the logo and then paste-in a sample from surrounding area of the screen.

*much thanks* in advance if anyone has any suggestions

Post: #228506
Topic: What is the rarest video in your collection?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/228506/action/topic#228506
Time: 23-Jul-2006 11:10 PM

Originally posted by: strangelove
Recently unearthed: Grendel, Grendel, Grendel, an Australian animated film that tells the Beowulf legend from the monster's point-of-view. Peter Ustinov did the voice.

I remember seeing a VHS release of that, need to see it it's still at that store and watch it. Thanks for the reminder.

Post: #228505
Topic: Star Wars PSA's videos are on youtube
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/228505/action/topic#228505
Time: 23-Jul-2006 10:57 PM — Edited 4-Jul-2020 11:04 AM

Hi all,
Just a heads up to anyone that hasn’t seen them recently (or ever), the SW PSA’s on smoking, immunization, & drunk driving are on youtube. The immunization one’s kind of rough but they are decent by youtube standards

Post: #218539
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/218539/action/topic#218539
Time: 14-Jun-2006 2:30 PM

Originally posted by: Zion
Sorry for the lack of updates. We are working hard on the project right now.

MeBe sent me a couple videos that I should have put up a long time ago, but never got around to it.

The first video is called "6 seconds". It's basically an expanded view of the cleanup process, showcasing the time and effort it takes to clean up a 6 second clip of footage. The second video, called "flyover" is a quick before/after look at a very dirty shot from ANH.

I will try and get these up this week.

Thanks Zion.
A belated thank you to all of the X0 team for never missing a beat with the project in spite of the official DVD announcement.

Post: #213586
Topic: The Official Lucasfilm Response
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213586/action/topic#213586
Time: 25-May-2006 7:15 PM

from the homemediaretailing.com article:

Fans are upset because that means the original versions will not be given an upgrade to account for the improvements in widescreen technology over the past 15 years, and there will be no digital restoration of the prints, said both Bill Hunt, editor of TheDigitalBits.com and Ron Epstein, who runs HomeTheaterForum.com.

This is a source of annoyance for me personally - blending together the wish for an anamorphic transfer with "digital restoration". I don't think I'm alone in thinking it's not worth taking a chance on LFL restoring without making things worse i.e. artifacts from digital filtering applied to the entire film.

and regarding digital clean-up, isn't just a bit sad & bizarre that people don't question for a moment that the X0 project will simply "do it right", where on the other hand it seems more likely than not that LFL would screw things up somehow with a restoration?

The more I think about it, the more I think it should be made clear that the fans are upset about the lack of anamorphic format. Leave the delicate restoration part to people that care about the originals. Better safe than sorry.

Post: #213576
Topic: audio campaign? aka "cut your losses"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213576/action/topic#213576
Time: 25-May-2006 6:41 PM

Originally posted by: Jobel
We're on the verge of a Hi-Def DVD/Bluray age. Is standard anamorphic DVD with it's 30% better res over non anamorphic really worth making a fuss over? Should we just accept what lucas is going to release?

At the end of the day, it's 30% more resolution for an anamorphic transfer. Should we just forget it?

I think the anamorphic issue is definitely a legitimate one, but I don't know if LFL can be swayed on this issue, at least for this release (if one wants to be cynical - but hopeful - maybe they are saving anamorphic for a hi-def release).

re: the alternate audio mixes, the only thing I'm fairly certain about is that without Lucas's cooperation the 70mm multichannel mix is lost, which is too bad. I've been into multichannel sound for a while (before the push for 5.1 anyway) and I would love to hear the early multichannel Star Wars mix as it was originally offered.

Post: #213181
Topic: audio campaign? aka "cut your losses"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213181/action/topic#213181
Time: 24-May-2006 8:21 PM

Wow...a lot happening here lately!

As I understand it, Jay is suggesting we shift our efforts to the media, and letting them know our concerns over lack of anamorphic transfers. May the force be with us all

As far as contacting LFL directly at this point - in light of their recent response re: plans for the video - does anyone think we might at least be successful in an effort to have one of the alternate audio mixes included? We could suggest both the mono mix and the 70mm mix, or simply focus on the elusive 70mm since the mono mix is already out there (albeit low quality).

I realize of course the audio is not what everyone is concerned about right now. I'm just throwing this suggestion out there in case we still want to try contacting LFL directly about anything, because they haven't "put their foot down" regarding the audio.
Cost isn't a real concern for LFL re: anamorphic transfers as we all know, but since they are hinting at this as an excuse re: the video quality, it would be harder for them to take this angle in regards to providing alternate audio mix(es). Or maybe not

Anyway, just food for thought.

Post: #200102
Topic: Idea & Help Wanted: for a vintage 'Sesame Street' preservation...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/200102/action/topic#200102
Time: 11-Apr-2006 6:05 PM

Originally posted by: Sluggo
Would anyone out there be interested in working on a collection of vintage Sesame Street clips? I am talking about the really old stuff from the first 5 seasons. I have about 20 videotapes of old episodes from Noggin! broadcasts of Sesame Unpaved. I am not sure if they are still on anymore. Turns out that Oscar the Grouch was orange the first season. Weird.

Any takers? Ideas?

This post was brought to you by the letters 'K' and 'E' and by the number '4'.

Hi Sluggo,
I am also a fan of the vintage Sesame stuff and wish you luck. You might want to do some searching/posting here:
http://forum.muppetcentral.com/forumdisplay.php?f=12

Many fans collect the old segments/films, and some want any complete episodes they can find.
Re: the episodes shown on Noggin, I don't know when you recorded yours but they originally were shown with the Noggin "bug" in the lower right of the screen...this was eventually removed, but I don't know if the entire Noggin collection was shown without the bug (someone on the forums could tell you). In case you're interested.

Another thing, if you are interested in the individual films vs. complete episodes, you can also expand your search to episodes through the 90's when vintage stuff was still being included (although it became much less common, and several vintage films had sound overdubs or were even edited

).

I have some Sesame stuff I would like to convert myself if I can ever afford a nice VCR.

Along the same lines, another show that deserves preservation is Mr. Roger's Neghbrohood. That has been on for years, but they don't show anything but the last few seasons on TV anymore. Kids of future generations should be able to continue enjoying him as well.

Number20, I definitely agree...the old Mr. Rogers shows are harder to find but I would like to get some on DVD myself at some point.