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sunday256 said:

Roger made great points. Those are some reasons why I am a fan. But I also understand John Simon's view point and agree with him also. I don't see why I can't have an opinion that allows both points of view.

People can adopt any kind and number of opinions they like. If they want those opinions to be rational, however, they have to think coherently and in context.

Do the prequels have good aspects? Sure. Are the movies as good as the original trilogy's movies in an overall, generalized sense? Not even close.

sunday256 said:

This guy felt about the OT a lot like the adults these days feel about the prequels. It's no different. I could care less the reasoning many of you throw out there why the OT should be respected and the PT shouldn't, but I'm sure if John Simon were reviewing both trilogies he'd say they're both crap. One's just newer crap.

If John Simon is proof to you that both trilogies are equivalently crappy, then, logically, Roger Ebert should be proof to you that both trilogies are equivalently great. Hmm, unfortunately, Roger Ebert (who was an adult when Star Wars came out) thought original films were superior by more than marginal amounts and so your idea doesn't quite work. . . .

Oh, wait, you say you "could care less" about the "reasoning" you're offered (so I guess I shouldn't waste my time arguing logic with you). ;)

zombie84 said:

I think most people appreciate the potential of the prequels and what they project into it, rather than the actual construction of the films themselves. The story potential is incredible--the fall of a hero, the rise of Darth Vader, the downfall of the Jedi, a Republic torn asunder in civil war, a secret warrior sect striking out from the shadows to bring about an apocalypse, Anakin's forbidden love and his torn loyalty's between his mentor and Palpatine, his quest for immortality, etc. The actual storyline is fantastic, and the thematic elements are far more powerful than anything in the OT. But none of that gets translated to the screen; it's all flat and messy and without any emotional resonation. But, because the potential is so great, just having those elements in the storyline itself still sort of allows people to appreciate it, they can sort of project their own emotions into it and intellectually fill the great void that Lucas left. I think thats one of the reasons there is so many people convinced of how great the prequels are; the potential is there, but unfortunately none of it is used. It is like if a twelve year old had written the films; you are simultaneously admiring the very sophisticated storyline but disappointed that none of it gets pulled off. I'd like to see someone really do the prequels with all of the human drama present in its conception, because I truely believe the three films could make one of the greatest sagas of all time.

Great way to put it. However, we should also state that the prequels were filled concepts and styles that were heavily incongruous with the OT despite the absence of any decent reasons for it.

I'm guessing the show will probably work to further destroy any sense of real continuity in the Star Wars universe, but I've totally given up on that issue since Attack of the Clones.

SilverWook said:

The promos for the series began running on tv today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z_oOQ9yqLI

Is the series going to be 2:35 aspect as well?

Love those factory fresh Y-Wings. ;)

Hmm, that doesn't look too bad for a TV show. I have no desire to purposely go after any new incarnation of Star Wars, but if I saw it on I would probably watch it.

Hilarious parody with that magazine cover. :)

Mielr said:

and thinking I had seriously overestimated George Lucas' talent.

Amen to that. In fact, I had a lot of anger poured into that one (and am still bugged by it to a degree). I felt seriously lied to. Also, I began to realize all of the other talented people who helped George but are incredibly overlooked, which was even worse. The guy was talented once, sure, but he was also lucky in many ways.

Just the other day, on another forum I go to, a middle-aged guy I know just revealed that he has only seen the original Star Wars. He apparently didn't see the need to watch the others. That goes to show what kind of a phenomena the original movie was in comparison to everything that came after. As good as Empire Strikes Back is, the original Star Wars deserves even a place above that.

When remembering the mainstream view of Star Wars, that's a huge segment of the population.

Wow, Final Fantasy cost 137 million dollars to make? There's been inflation since then . . . That had to hurt. Clone Wars is probably doing a lot better than that.

Hmm, well, I'll start off by saying that people should be allowed to have their opinions on this matter. I like arguing aesthetics too much for me to say that discussing various matters about Star Wars and George Lucas can't be reasoned out with logical principles. However, it's just entertainment and we shouldn't be so angry at people for wanting to express what they like or dislike.

Otherwise, I came here because I wanted the originals on DVD (particularly after being horrified by the 2004 DVDs). Also, I'm a person who is working on fiction projects of my own and can't help but think about the mistakes George Lucas made and, in particular, how I would have done many things differently.

Other than that I can't really say I care about Star Wars as much as I discuss it on this site. Star Wars is my favorite movie of all time and all three movies mean a lot to me, but I know I've been dwelling on them (and George Lucas) more than I otherwise would have (lately). I guess I've mostly grown attached to the small community here. Also, I'll definitely be waiting for the films to be remastered on Blu-ray now. Will I leave this place and stop dwelling on Star Wars as much when that happens? I don't know.

As I said in another thread, it seems as if Star Wars might not be something we'll have to fight over in the bigger context of things. Eventually everything will come out. A restoration of the original films is inevitable in some way.

GhostAlpha26 said:

Tiptup said:

GhostAlpha26 said:

Far from it I think its funny seeing it "up," there so the longer it stays the better.

So you find it funny when it's "up." Uhuh. Thanks for sharing.

 

Thats its? That was really weak :p

Sorry, but the curious, masturbatory nature of this thread turns me off. :P

GhostAlpha26 said:

Far from it I think its funny seeing it "up," there so the longer it stays the better.

So you find it funny when it's "up." Uhuh. Thanks for sharing.

GhostAlpha26 said:

Tiptup said:

You continue to amaze me with your ability to completely misinterpret what other people say. Congrats. :)

And its still ridiculous how much the Internet affects you :p

Funny. :)

My interest in people being wrong may be vain in many ways, but I do have my own reasons for dwelling upon it. At the very least, it's not anymore worthless than what you're doing on the internet.

GhostAlpha26 said:

C3PX said:

This is the thread that doesn't end, yes it goes on and on my friend...

 

Its comical seeing "C3PXs XXX Links," at or near the top of this forum, so by all means keep bumping it up there :)

Why, GhostAlpha26 is asking for his thread to be locked. Let's hope a moderator grants that wish.

skyjedi2005 said:

This soundtrack score is such shit that i cannot believe it is from the same guy who did the score to the 1999 Wing Commander film. That film was shit but the music was decent, to great in some parts.

The movie was watchable for me. However, the soundtrack, which I unfortunately own, is uninspiring and repetitive.

astromech said:

Who was supposed to send a signal to Luke once Han's frozen body had been located? 5 POINTS

I'm guessing Chewbacca

Or Lando.

rcb said:

only over the years the star wars fan base has been getting bigger and bigger.

Not really. A lot of the newly added fans are not in the same fan base as far as I'm concerned. Star Wars has meant a lot of different things over the years.

It might have been a better post if Janskreet had actually educated us about the Medieval instances where that actually happened. I found that notion interesting and would actually like to learn about that.

Mielr said:

It doesn't matter if you're polite.

If you are not a fan of the SEs or PT at TFN, you get lambasted, regardless of how politely you express your opinion.

Then I actually feel greater sorrow for the people doing the banning (as apposed to the banned). If they live for "George Lucas" more than real contact with real people, then that's sad.

The lack of an episode number is only meaningful to me in terms of the original film. It was originally intended to be a singular work and I kind of like that. Otherwise, my concern over the notion of different episodes ends with the original trilogy. I don't care what numbers are attached since those three films are the only special films. If they want to make some new films with new numbers they can go right ahead. They can start using decimals (like 1.5 or 2.7689) and I won't give a shit since I'm probably not going to watch them.

But his enduring interest in “Star Wars” hints at a lesson that his filmmaking peers have already learned: that it is sometimes easier for them to make big movies than small ones. As his longtime friend and collaborator Steven Spielberg wrote in an e-mail message: “All of us would like to make these little personal films that sneak into theaters under the radar. Sadly, for George and myself, and others who have enjoyed and endured great success — ‘under the radar’ has become a no-fly zone.”

I don't feel sorry for Lucas and Spielberg. They aren't trapped by their names. All they have to do is start making enough smaller, non-epic films and people will stop paying attention eventually. Plus, what does it matter to the actual film if people are paying attention or not? If the film is good in its own way, it will still be appreciated to that degree, even if pop culture ignores it. How absurd.

This is what makes me glad about Clone Wars. Star Wars is now becoming so watered-down and unremarkable that your average person doesn't care anymore. The prequels made so much money because they were the Star Wars movies that had been promised for so long. The series is now descending into Star Trek territory. Eventually, nobody but the most esoteric of fans will care about what versions of the films are released. Apart from some strange event, Star Wars will die with this generation and everything we know about George's "vision" won't matter to anyone beyond the sheer curiosity of it. Our silly debates defending or attacking George will disappear (apart from dispassionate debates about artistic principles). I'm glad since that probably means that everyone will get what they want. It may take twenty years, but this nonsense will stop.

I think it's time to emotionally move on.

I don't care about either site really. I like slower websites where I don't have to read as much crap.

About your experiences, however, I'd imagine an OT fan could survive on those forums if he or she were sufficiently polite. I don't know though. Being forced to always be polite is boring.

ESHBG said:

Puppet Yoda looked angry because he could foresee what Luca$ was going to do to the PT and the series as a whole! :)

lol


I agree with Gaffer Tape and C3PX about Phantom Menace. I want the original version of the film since it's not as tedious. It's currently only available on VHS though. :(

What disgusting cover art. And I don't like the prominence of Darth Vader in each; the original trilogy is not about Darth Vader. Bah.

GhostAlpha26 said:

C3PX said:

I think being an ass is a hell of a lot more dangerous than using drugs of any kind. Many more "accidents" happen to asses than to drug users. You act like an ass on the internet, because you think nobody can "accidentally" break your jaw when you are hiding behind a computer screen. But your still an ass, and fewer and fewer people here like you everyday because you insult them and call them names just because you can, or because they disagree with you about a movie or video game. You may not care about that, but perhaps you should. You certainly have nothing to be proud of yourself about.

Because people getting drunk at bars (using drugs) every night act so proper and stuff always goes smoothly at bars, and drinking never makes people act ridiculous, you dont get out much do you? Oh and your right I hear about numerous stories detailing how people have horrible things happen to them for being so out of line on the internet, its a much larger number compared to say Drunk driving deaths...hahahaha. You have so much to be proud of by putting someone in their place online, someday I can only hope to be proud of what I do on internet forums and lead such a fulfilling life :p

You continue to amaze me with your ability to completely misinterpret what other people say. Congrats. :)

How many X-wing starfighters were destroyed while flying through the second Death Star? 6 POINTS

As I remember off the top of my head: zero.