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Post: #305931
Topic: Star Wars Prequels/Original Trilogy: The Complete Scores (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/305931/action/topic#305931
Time: 9-Jan-2008 10:51 PM

GoodMusician, I realize this isn't quite on topic, but I thought you might get a kick out of this. It would appear that John Williams has heavily borrowed from the movie Aliens in one piece. If you play the track "Greivous Flees" (at the 1:15 mark), and then play the track "Futile Escape" from Aliens, you will notice a striking similarity.

Post: #303084
Topic: STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/303084/action/topic#303084
Time: 7-Dec-2007 11:41 PM

A codec is simply a file used by your operating system to translate the code in a video file, into something your media player can read. If you just type xvid into Google then you should find all the info/files you need. Alternatively you could download VLC which is a media player that has most common codecs built into it. However, I run it on a Mac, and have heard VLC isn't as user friendly on a PC.
Hope that helps man.

EDIT: Tubes, I like how we both responded with almost identical responses at exactly the same time. Cheers Mate

Post: #303080
Topic: Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/303080/action/topic#303080
Time: 7-Dec-2007 11:34 PM

Originally posted by: teharri
has anyone else noticed the lack of quality in ROTJ. If you compare ESB and ROTJ you will notice that ESB has a much better picture quality. I think it would be cool if someone could update the scene where the emperors dies. That shot just looks like a painting of a pit instead of an actual one.

Does anyone get what I am saying about ROTJ's picture quality?

Actually, the problem your seeing here is because the picture quality is too good. Originally in SW and ESB, model shots tended to be used for scenes like that, however, when they were shooting ROTJ, they happened to have a really good matte painter working in the crew, so they used him to create matte paintings for many scenes (ex. Emperor's Death, Scene When Han Looks out at the Falcon from Tyderium cockpit). During the original release, this looked great (and it looked even better on your VHS copies) because the depth of field loss was hidden by film grain, etc. However when it was cleaned up for DVD presentation, they did such a good job with the clarity that you can actually see the texture in the paint used, making the matte shots stand out.

There is a similar example to this problem in the ESB DVD release as well. During the battle of Hoth, when one of the Walkers is destroyed you see it fall forward into a cloud of snow. Originally this looked great, but now the picture quality has been fixed up enough you can see far too clearly that it is a model being dropped into artificial miniature snow.

Those are shots I'd love to see "fixed" but as to how you would fix that, I have no idea.

Post: #302937
Topic: Prequel Trilogy - Sagafied (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/302937/action/topic#302937
Time: 7-Dec-2007 6:35 PM

Pardon? Firstoff, thats not a streaming video at all, thats a download link, so in order to play it you have to download it first. Second, if you read the post that one was from, you'll notice it's not from this edit at all, but from Darkhelmet's edit.

As for why some of the links don't work, well, I'll work at fixing that at some point, but thats just a curse of free file hosting. After all, most of those links are months old.

This clip from episode III is still up however, so feel free to check that out.

Post: #302913
Topic: Prequel Trilogy - Sagafied (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/302913/action/topic#302913
Time: 7-Dec-2007 4:35 PM

Alright, update time again!
Well, over the past few month I've made some major changes to the scope of my project. After spending a few months fighting with massive pacing issues and weird plot holes I came to an interesting conclusion, there was no way that I could see to create the movies I'd always wanted with the existing footage. So instead I have decided to create a prequel TV series instead. The format will be as follows:

-Each Movie has now become a single season, making for 3 complete seasons.
-Each season will be a total of 5 episodes long.
-Each episode will contain its own original opening crawl and title.
-Each episode will be roughly 30 minutes long including opening crawl and credits.
-The seasons will retain their original movie title (eg. Season I: The Phantom Menace)
-Each Episode will have its own title (some of which I've admittedly borrowed from previous fan projects)

This allows me to fix a few problems. First, fast pacing of the movies feels much less out of place when place in an episodic format. Second, the additional opening crawls helps to flesh out situations and characters a little better.

I have just finished Season I, with only the final rendering needing to be done, and I'm closing in on finishing Season II. But I'm running short on time as I will be going on a massive vacation in mid January that will keep me away from my computer for quite a while. So I must ask if there is anyone here who is willing to help me complete this project.

The help I need is simple, I'm in good stead to finish the episodes on my own, but there is no way I can feasibly create a DVD release of this in time. Is there anyone out here who would be interested in taking care of the DVD end? If so please PM me and we can see if we're on a similar wavelength. Thanks!!!!

P.S. I should be releasing the episodes individually over the next week or so.

Post: #302156
Topic: STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/302156/action/topic#302156
Time: 28-Nov-2007 4:56 PM

Originally posted by: dumb_kid

Depends on where that probe droid is probing

Wouldn't that just make a needle even more scary?

Post: #302085
Topic: STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/302085/action/topic#302085
Time: 27-Nov-2007 3:46 PM

Originally posted by: lth
How does Red 10 fit all the stripes on his ship's wings?

Well, I'm never sure how official this is considered, but in the Decipher Collectible Card Game, they released a card for Red 10 that showed him having 5 stripes with a dash through them.

http://www.decipher.com/starwars/cardlists/specialedition/light/images/red10.gif

The image isn't amazing, but if you look close enough you can see the ranking on its wings.
As for Red 6-9, although they released cards for them they never showed the stripes, so I guess they will always be a mystery.

Post: #301355
Topic: STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/301355/action/topic#301355
Time: 15-Nov-2007 3:37 PM

Yea, I have to say I think ErikStormtrooper is onto something there. There are few people on this forum that seem to understand the relationship between music and footage as well as GoodMusician. Using him as a second pair of eyes might just do the trick. And I'm sure he'd be cool enough to keep anything you want hidden from the general public secret until you're able to get the release finished.

Post: #299927
Topic: Prequel Trilogy - Sagafied (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/299927/action/topic#299927
Time: 25-Oct-2007 3:11 PM

Hey! Thanks a lot man. Thats always good to hear. I guess I kind of fell off the face of the Earth there for a while. I am still doing work on the edit, though its starting to take a very different form than I originally anticipated. I've updated my original post to give a better idea of my progress, though I'm sure I've forgotten a lot of changes I've made, especially to Episode I. Stay tuned though, as I hope to actually release something in the next couple of months.

Post: #295281
Topic: STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/295281/action/topic#295281
Time: 14-Aug-2007 9:13 PM

Adywan, one question/suggestion about the opening crawl. You mentioned earlier that you were likely going to use the Star Wars logo from a foreign language version so it more closely matched the PT for visual continuity. On the same vein have you considered using the opening music from a PT source? The reason I suggest this is the fact that the PT music was recorded in much higher quality. Since this is the point in the movie where the difference in audio quality is most noticeable, you could use the PT source during the crawl, then fade to the original score where the action on screen, mixed with the change in musical cues, would hide the change in audio quality.

Post: #295279
Topic: Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/295279/action/topic#295279
Time: 14-Aug-2007 9:05 PM

Hah, I was just about to suggest Alien as a source for the opening Fanfare. I'd never even thought of switching that around, but I have to say I like the idea. Bravo. This raises a question of music quality however. One thing I've always noticed between the PT and the OT is the music. The PT has much higher quality recording, so the music has a much ricer tone and smoother bass. You can hear this the most when comparing the opening crawl theme. If your worried about continuity you may thusly want to consider changing the opening music to the original as well. Once the film has started then the action on the screen would distract from the difference in quality, so you could just fade into the original Episode III score and not notice the difference.

Post: #295216
Topic: Prequel Trilogy - Sagafied (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/295216/action/topic#295216
Time: 14-Aug-2007 3:43 AM

Thanks for looking at the music for me Darkhelmet. I'll take a look at that volume swell you mentioned. I still have a lot of work to do smoothing out the audio, but I'm glad the basics all work.

That said, my mind is a bit fried from all the Episode III I've forced on myself, so I'm taking a small break by working on my Episode I edit for a bit. However, to tide you over till I attack Episode III again I shall make my new and improved opening space battle available. Its close to the original, but I've fixed some audio issues and some of the pacing. It's not perfect, but its getting closer.

Post: #294298
Topic: STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294298/action/topic#294298
Time: 2-Aug-2007 1:14 AM

Yea, I have to say it's looking even better than I could have hoped. Full props man.

Post: #294200
Topic: Prequel Trilogy - Sagafied (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294200/action/topic#294200
Time: 1-Aug-2007 2:26 AM

Your wireless is down? That sucks man. Have you tried isolating the reverse power coupling? That usually works for me.

Originally posted by: darkhelmet

1) Though the insert shot cuts in beautifully (aside from the absence of Obi-wan's cloak), Obi-wan's ignition of his lightsaber for his ride up the cliff and the subsequent shut-off doesn't really seem to have any motivation behind it. He knows where Grievous is, but he hasn't decided on his tactic yet as evidenced by his thoughtfulness before he decides to jump down to face him.

Agreed, I basically put the shot in there so I didn't have to use the same shot of the exterior of that command building twice in a row. The light saber sounds were for continuity, though I'd like to play with after effects and see if I can't remove the saber. The other problem I've run into is I still use that shot in its original location (order 66) and cutting it out isn't' really an option, so I may simply revert it to the original shot.

Originally posted by: darkhelmet

2) Is there more dialogue for the Separatists which could be used? It seems odd that their voices are unintelligible while Grievous' is not. Maybe some subtitles? Not sure how that would play against Grievous's response in English, err, Basic, though.

Yea, I'm looking into that. Unfortunately what they say doesn't really match what G has to say (they mostly talk about Dooku). So far I've been trying to avoid subs, especially for vocals heard in the background. I may try and muffle G's voice a bit though so it only slowly become audible. Otherwise I may look at stealing dialog from later in the movie right before Vader kills em, or simply making them audible, but not understandable (think R2, and much of the other alien dialog in the classic trilogy).

Originally posted by: darkhelmet

3) Grievous's line "Mine" sounds a bit off, I think due to the difference in background tone. If you layered in some silence from your new Grievous source, it would probably play the difference down.

Hmm, will try that.

Originally posted by: darkhelmet

4) The shot where G's hand and a lightsaber is seen falling to the deck below him seemed to be trimmed too short.

Yea, i wasn't sure about that. I'll play around with it, but I have to be careful with the music sync.

Originally posted by: darkhelmet

5) Oh, yeah! ALmost forgot the lizard (I wish I could). Nice job with the new noises instead of the yelps. Can I put in a request for even less yelps?

Definitely. The only reason he has as many as he does is that I'm still trying to figure out what to do about the roller car. I've come to the conclusion I can't remove it, but I'm not going to go to all the trouble of redoing all the sounds till I know what footage is going to stay.

Also, two questions,
1) What did you think of the new musical workings of the scene (especially when G talks)?

2) What did you think of the re-arranging of the Jedi chamber sequence (placing it during Obiwan's infiltration instead of after the battle starts)?

P.S. Thanks for your comments SomethingStarWarsRelated. I'm currently re streamlining the entire opening sequence as my understanding of editing has improved since my first run. I'll post a clip of it once its ready. Until then I'll simply say, "Have you noticed the shields are still up?" is back in.

Post: #294152
Topic: STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294152/action/topic#294152
Time: 31-Jul-2007 4:49 PM

Now, THAT was fun.

Post: #294150
Topic: Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294150/action/topic#294150
Time: 31-Jul-2007 4:42 PM

Originally posted by: Saintheart I will also bring up one thing that really is pretty much unfixable no matter what anyone does, and that's Obi-Wan's effortless (no, I mean anti-suspension-of-disbelief effortless, not Jedi effortless) deflection of blaster bolts as he's running up the stairs. I mean, his saber doesn't even move to deflect bolts coming from different angles!

If you notice this happens a lot during the opening fights. When Obi Wan and Anikan crash their ships in the hanger they kill the droids in almost the same fashion. Stand still, and eventually a droid shooting your saber will kill itself. I've tried to fix both instances in my edit, but really the best you can do is make it less obvious the droids simply have no aim rather than fix it entirely.

Also, take a look at the duel footage I've edited with Dooku. Some of the issues remain, but I think I've been able to make Dooku's crushing of Obi Wan fast enough that it could actually happen in the time Anikan is on the ground. Let me know what you think.

Part 1 (Keep in mind this is a rough edit of the ENTIRE opening sequence right up until the invisible hand crashes)

Post: #293997
Topic: Prequel Trilogy - Sagafied (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/293997/action/topic#293997
Time: 30-Jul-2007 4:14 AM

Hmmm, I like the idea of giving Grievous more dialog during the bridge sequence. I definitely think your on to something there. I'll play around with that over the next week and let you know what I'm able to come up with.

Post: #293982
Topic: Prequel Trilogy - Sagafied (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/293982/action/topic#293982
Time: 29-Jul-2007 11:38 PM

Hey, sorry for disappearing there guys. Despite my lack of action on the forums I've been quite busy editing lately and am currently putting the final touches on the order 66 sequence. Also, thanks for the feedback Darkhelmet, its good to hear you like what I've put out so far.

Now for the goods. As promised I've got the remaining footage of Grievous for everyone to see. The first scene where Grievous talks to Palpatine on Utapau works perfectly on a purely technical level, however I'm worried that too little information is passed to give Grievous much of a presence. The second scene suffers even more from this, as there is very little usable dialog. Let me know if what he says A) Makes sense B) Isn't too close to his original dialog in the Clone Wars series.

Grievous 1
Grievous 2

Enjoy

Post: #292530
Topic: Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292530/action/topic#292530
Time: 14-Jul-2007 3:26 AM

I have to say I like this idea. Definitely something to play with. As for the music, thats an easy fix, especially for you GoodMusician. I've got your complete score to Episode III on my computer, and if you can create that, you can play with a musical jump like the one your talking about. Just be creative on where the musical transition takes place, or even change which music is used. You have the power (of Greyscull...)

Post: #292529
Topic: Prequel Trilogy - Sagafied (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292529/action/topic#292529
Time: 14-Jul-2007 3:11 AM

Thanks for the feedback Darkhelmet, you had a couple of good points here.

Originally posted by: darkhelmet
1) Since you cut footage of the space battle in to allow Anakin and Obi time to get to the observation deck, how about cutting to the wide shot of the Chancellor watching the battle and then to A and O coming out of the elevator. It might create a better narrative tie between the almost random battle footage and the next scene.

Thats actually a really good idea. I was originally trying for the editing style seen in ROTJ where it jumps back from battle to battle to battle, but I never really noticed what made that work. There was a story happening in all three battles which made the switches make sense, whereas in ROTS there is no story in the space battle once our heroes are inside making the edit random. Your idea seems to fix that. I'll give that a try and see how it works.

Originally posted by: darkhelmet
2) Is there any way you can include any more dialogue for Grievous? I really like how you made it A's and O's initiative to face Grievous, but, for the introduction of a new prominent character, we don't get a big enough dose of him to really size him up. Personally, I'm going to borrow Kerr's idea and try to cut Grievous out of my edit completely.

Well, I honestly felt that this was a problem with Greivous to begin with. He was never really given much of a part to play so he made little sense (unless you've seen the clone wars, which one should always assume the average viewer hasn't). I like the idea of deleting him, but I enjoyed the Clone Wars enough that I'd like to be able to keep him in for the sake of continuity. I'm hoping to give his character a bit more to do later on by filling in details, but unfortunately I don't have a lot to work with. First, I will eventually change the opening scrawl to try and explain Greivous a bit better so he's not such a suprise. Second, I've changed his dialog with the Emperor so that it seems he was in cahoots with the whole kill Dooku plan, and even to a degree the end of the separatist leaders (will post clip soon). This makes his fleeing plausible, seeing as he had at least 4 lightsabers on him from his collection yet never decides to use them, thus abandoning Palpatine without a fight. In fact, if you watch the original sequence you'll notice Greivous seems to disappear for about 2 minutes before he gets cornered. Thanks George.

Thanks again man, I've started watching your clips and so far I like what I see. I'll respond in more detail once I've seen them all.

One question for everyone, what did you think of the part where Obi-Wan's fighter gets shot? I had a couple friends who were confused by the next few seconds of footage. Thoughts?

Post: #292408
Topic: Prequel Trilogy - Sagafied (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292408/action/topic#292408
Time: 12-Jul-2007 4:17 PM

Alright, I've uploaded the opening 13minutes of my edit onto Rapidsare. This is a rough edit at this point, so I still have a few audio and pacing issues to work out, however it also features my most drastic editing so I'm looking forward to trying to improve it.

EpIII Opening

Enjoy.

Post: #292385
Topic: Prequel Trilogy - Sagafied (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292385/action/topic#292385
Time: 12-Jul-2007 3:29 AM

Originally posted by: Owen-Lars-Kenobi

But anyway, I have one question. Why does everyone hate Midichlorians so much, could someone maybe explain this? It seems to be very common for people to dislike them.

The main reason that I hate the Midichlorians is they destroy a myth by adding in too much science. Before they came around the force was more of a religion, something that existed, but know one really knew why. Then all of a sudden its a genetic thing? That was a bit annoying, but to top it off, they are irrelevant to the story. I literally just cut out three words from ROTS and they were gone, with zero change to the actual story. They might have been forgivable had they been given something really important to do, like genetic force soldiers or something, but as it stands I prefer the force is what binds and unites us to the force is these little green things in your blood.

Also, glad to hear you like Attack of the Phantom. That was definitely a quality edit. If you haven't watched the commentary that comes with it I highly recommend it. Very insightful.

Darkhelmet, I'm hopefully going to take a look at some of your footage tonight. And whilst I sleep I hope to be able to render the opening segment of the movie so I can upload it. The catch will be to try and keep the opening right till when the invisible hand crashes at a small enough file size that everyone can download it.

Post: #292199
Topic: Prequel Trilogy - Sagafied (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292199/action/topic#292199
Time: 9-Jul-2007 3:49 PM

Yea, you think Obi-Wan would have the heart to put his best friend out of his misery, if only for the fact they were friends, and not because Anikan is now a big evil Sith Lord capable of mass murder who must die for the good of the galaxy.

Post: #292165
Topic: Prequel Trilogy - Sagafied (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292165/action/topic#292165
Time: 9-Jul-2007 4:20 AM

Well, I'm thinking of making it look like Obi-Wan is scared off by the Emperor's arrival to Mustafar by moving footage of the Emperor's shuttle up to match when Obi-Wan leaves. This will give the impression that Obi-Wan had no choice to leave Anakin at the end of the movie and is aware he's probably still alive. (The Emperor will hopefully appear to be arriving to meet up with Anikan, thus negating the need to explain how he got from Coruscant to the "most-a-far" system in the outer rim in under 10 minutes). That way Obi-Wan and Yoda will both realize what has happened, and will of course eventually learn what has become of Anakin and his new name, however this would then happen between episodes III and IV keeping the critical details out of the audiences grasp. It will be hinted at in Episode IV when Obi-Wan mentions that Vader was a pupil of his, till he turned to evil, but the line "Your father was killed by a young Jedi named Darth Vader" will hint there may be more to the story than we know, or that Obi-Wan is telling. This of course is revealed in V when Vader admits to being Luke's father.

Post: #292100
Topic: Prequel Trilogy - Sagafied (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292100/action/topic#292100
Time: 7-Jul-2007 3:31 PM

Darkhelmet, I've been taking a look through your boards and I have to say it looks like you've got some pretty impressive stuff done. Unfortunately I haven't had any luck downloading your clips to view them as your limit as always been hit. I'll take that to mean they're pretty good. Looking forward to tossing around ideas with you. Out of curiosity, did you do any major changes to the scene where Palpatine reveals himself? I personally feel like to much dialog goes on between him and Anakin, especially involving Padme, but I haven't found a way to fix that yet. Thoughts?