In 1997 I liked EVERYTHING about the special editions, with the notable exception of the new ending music (I love Yub Nub and hate Andean pipe music).
It wasn't until later, when George Lucas started the "No OT for you!" thing that I started to dislike and resent aspects of the SEs.
L8wrtr said:
grisan said:
Ziggy Stardust said:
grisan said:
(never understood why a few seconds of force lightning should kill him).
Because the lightning caused his breathing apparatus to malfunction.
I have read that explanation several times and it makes sense, but I still think it should have been mentioned better in the movies or the damage by the emporer shoudl have been made more obvious. That's why I listed it as one of my main flaws of ROTJ.
As a 12 year old, I clearly understood that the lightening damaged his life-support system beyond repair and that it was failing him.
Me to.
People complain that the PT explained too much, then I hear comments like this and wonder...
Do we really want this in ROTJ
Ripplin said:
Though it's based on a real photograph of a tiger roaring,...
PLEASE tell me the real tiger didn't have those zombie all white eyes!!
When I used to manage Blockbuster I made little comics I'd email the staff. Eventually I had about 90 people from the nearby Blockbusters on my 'subscription.' I did about 100 strips. I wasn't very good but here are a few I'm least embarrassed by.
Not that interesting at all.
1- Everyone spoke English.
Not true. Sebulba spoke Alien,and so did Watto on occasion. I don't agree with this guys argument that reading subtitles all the time is a good thing. There's the least alien-speak in ESB, which is generally seen as the best, so that might tell you something. If Mas Amada spoke in gibberish, I don't see how that would improve the film one bit.
2- Every actor has seen Star Wars.
I don't know what he means by this except a vague "I think the acting sucked."
3- George Lucas is a terrible director.
I'll agree that Lucas's tendencies as a director don't lean towards compelling storytelling. But this is hardly a new idea, even in 2010 when this was written.
4- Too much explaining.
I agree this is true, but on the other hand it's the main reason he made the prequals so we can at least agree that it's not due to bad writing. Conceptually there's a flaw in the entire series.
This rambling and bitchy little essay wraps up with my favorite technique of the Prequal Basher... the "They NEED to make a movie to my exact tastes, and my favorite of the month (Jackson, Whedon, Nolen) needs to direct!" argument.
theprequelsrule said:
One of the worst inconsistencies is the changing timeline. In the original trilogy it is implied that The Empire has been around for a good while; at least 40 or 50 years.
Where is that clear in the films?
I seriously don't get the reaction. We have a couple pics of Bane in a coat some people don't like, and suddenly people are worried? Did I miss something?
captainsolo said:
The news that this third film will end this particular Batman incarnation before the Justice League film and a new Batman reboot is the clincher.
Well Nolen has stated (IIRC) pretty clearly this is his last Batman, and I doubt an actor who takes himself as seriously as Bale would risk another director.
But I have serious doubts if TW/DC people have a clue what will happen long term.
Darth Bizarro said:
I highly resent the term "prequel gusher."
I want the original versions of the trilogy to be released just as much as everyone else here but not everyone on this site loathes the prequels and that shouldn't be a prerequisite.
Here here!
TV's Frink said:
TheBoost said:
SW- 10 balls out of 10
ESB- 10 balls
ROTJ- 9 balls
TPM- 6 balls
AOTC- 2 balls
ROTS- 7 balls.Finally!
I finally rated, or someone finally had enough balls?
The Aluminum Falcon said:
Thinking about it, I probably am very biased since I live about an hour away from some of the forests used in ROTJ... That's probably why they seem so un-exotic. :)
Where do you live? I used to live in Crescent City and Arcata.
SW- 10 balls out of 10
ESB- 10 balls
ROTJ- 9 balls
TPM- 6 balls
AOTC- 2 balls
ROTS- 7 balls.
DuracellEnergizer said:
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EDIT: Removed for irrelevancy.
But since I have this space, I urge everyone to make sure their tires on their automobile are properly inflated. It can decrease your stopping distance and save your life.
With entertainment, I'm sometimes of the opinion that it's better to be interesting than good.
I think the "Twin Peaks" show was an absolute hoot, equal parts fun/quirky and straight up bizarre.
I even think "Dune" is sometimes unfairly maligned.
When I watched "Lost Highway" I was left with a series of feelings, ideas, and impressions about the story, even if from a narrative standpoint I didn't 'understand' it. I enjoyed the ride.
"Mulhullond Drive" on the other hand just left me confused and a little annoyed. When the old-people/imps crawls across the ground in fast motion I came to the conclusion that it wasn't a case of possible interpretations, it was a case of the artist just being wierd.
You know who did exposition great? "Star Wars."
The opening crawl is short, gives exactly what's needed just to explain the first scene.
Imperial politics? Three sentences.
Ancient Jedi knights? Maybe 90 seconds of talking combined.
Elaborate backstory between Vader/Obi? Three lines of dialogue.
That pretty much covers all the exposition in that movie.
I read somewhere that people describe "Star Wars" as fast paced, when really it's a somewhat slow paced adventure, largely due to the bare minimum of exposition used.
xhonzi said:
My apologies then.
No. Too late man.
To hell with you. I change my opinion and now think the OP was wrong on many levels.
Are you happy now?!?!
canofhumdingers said:
It becomes a point of just how far can you suspend your disbelief? I would relate it to jumping ability of the Jedi. In ESB & ROTJ, we see that Luke, as he progresses in his jedi training, gains the ability to jump higher, farther, and faster than normal humans. He has become superhuman. But it's not "MILES" farther... It's enough to clearly be beyond the ability of real people, but not so much that it becomes totally unbelievable. Cut to the prequels where we now have Jedi jumping like frogs so far and high that it becomes utterly laughable. They pushed the boundaries too far & it results in destroying the credibility of anything on screen. I submit that the sword fights suffer the same problem.
I don't see a real difference.
In ESB Luke does a super high-speed jump straight up 20 ft (and at that speed would have gone considerably higher). In ROTJ he does a standing graceful backflip onto a gantry fifteen feet up and behind him. How is that not "totally unbelievable?"
It's plain from the OT films that these jumps are one of a Jedi's abilities. I don't see any Jedi jumps in the PT that is of any big degree greater than Luke's leaps, unless the objection is really to the SFX tech being used to pull it off.
xhonzi said:
TheBoost said:
xhonzi said:
Hmm... not nearly as much dissension as I had assumed.
TheBoost gave a half-hearted effort.
:(
????!?!?
I thought I agreed with you?!
!?!?!?
I took your selective agreement as silent disagreement. Perhaps I read too far into it?
Just a summarizing of what I thought were the best points.
And I hate large block quotes.
xhonzi said:
Hmm... not nearly as much dissension as I had assumed.
TheBoost gave a half-hearted effort.
:(
????!?!?
I thought I agreed with you?!
!?!?!?
xhonzi said:
1. Within the scope of the original movie, the Death Star really is the most significant advancement in War technology ever invented.
...
5. So: Death Star II represents consistency within the universe. If it was worth building once, it was worth building twice.
Screw in-universe consistency! It was boring to redo the Death Star, we had already been there- done that.
1. Fair enough. But how much does Death Star II really re-enact Death Star I? ... ...
1.a. ... Is it different enough? Perhaps. Is it exactly the same? No.
THE /END.
Well put.
TV's Frink said:
It's not a good sign if you are taking haljordan's side in an argument with TheBoost.
Thanks dog. :::fist bump:::
But to be fair, they were ad hominems. But to be more fair, Hal was kinda a butthole.
xhonzi said:
Alright, is it just me, or did hal have a good point even if he sort of botched the delivery?
... ... He probably did it because he thought it would 'look cool' and the pervasiveness of Asian culture in the West led him to think that he had to have the Jedi be superninjas just so they could be competitive with the other superninjas in recent pop culture... ...
There's this weird assumption inherent in that argument that the OT duels weren't meant to 'look cool.' They clearly are.
Luke and Obi both do the same "spin around for no reason and then barely block Vader's saber" move. Luke does a crazy backwards flip onto a bridge in ROTJ. Vader pwns Luke with ONE HAND during the start of the fight in ESB just to be badass.
And I still stand that I don't see any clear EAST vs. WEST difference in the sword styles of the trilogy as a whole. Moving quickly or jumping high doesn't make you Asian.
xhonzi said:
The first thing that comes to mind is Harry Potter 3, which probably isn't quite what you're looking for.
Any fan of the book (or someone who's read it recently, at least) can tell you that the film is missing a few bits of info that make the ending all make sense.
It's been awhile for me. What's the film missing? (the films and the books all blur together for me)
SPOILER ALERT FOR "Underworld" (2003)
So, the movie "Underworld" has vampires fighting werewolves. Two huge plot points hinge on understanding the following bits of the films mythology.
Neither of these points are explained in the movie, except after the fact when a big revelation occurs. Something like this:
"You know that rule where vampires aren't allowed to kill people? Well I don't follow it and I killed your family!"
and
"You know that one werewolf that supposedly died a thousand years ago? Well, not only did he not die, he's actually this guy here, because werewolfs in this movie are immortal! But we characters all already knew that."
It's not a brilliant movie in the first place, but I find this sloppy storytelling to really knock it into pure schlock territory.
So it just got me thinking, what other movies just seem to forget to tell you, the audience, any important info?
ferris209 said:
Since I'm not the best at popular culture, I may a little late in this, but a friend at work just introduced to the lovely mixed martial arts lady Gina Carano!
Something about a cutie who can kick my ass is just very appealing.
She may not be to everyone's taste, but I also fancy the lady pro wrestler "ODB."
