DrCrowTStarwars said:
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
DrCrowTStarwars said:
Well I just don't believe that we should never question scientist or hold them to account when they are wrong.
And this claim that they are wrong is based on...? Global warming isn't a concept that someone just pulled out of their arse. It's been backed by an overwhelming number of scientific studies, inquiries, and peer review over many years. Unfortunately, the claims out there that it is "wrong" are, by contrast, generally based on anecdotes and flippant remarks.
I'll fast-forward past the rest of your anti-science rant, to...
As for global warming unless we can get China and Mexico to cut down on their carbon footprint there is not a whole lot we can do.
And their justification for not cutting down, is generally that we are hypocritically asking them to cut down even though we aren't.
See this is exactly what I was talking about. You have heard some say one thing so now you are saying that any other side in the debate should not be allowed to speak because they are not scientists and clearly they can not understand anything thing. You even dismiss the idea that there is debate between scientists on this issue instead seeing them as one vast elite group who should not be questioned.
What is more you see how easily I was able to get some people to go along with my most extreme ideas,some of which are right out of Hitler and Stalon's play book just because I said there was a threat that scientist agree exists. No one asked me for any proof,everyone is just taking it for granted that if a scientist says it then it must be true and any action no matter how extreme that is taken to prevent it is just a okay. Do you see know why this world scares me.
If you disagree with a group of scientists on one point you are declared anti-science and shoved aside. Is it really that hard to believe that if people continue thinking this way at some point in the future we will give up all of our freedoms to an elite group of scientists who will tell us what we can think,what we can do,and will control every aspect of our lives? After all they are scientists and they are always right anyone who says that any scientist has ever been wrong about anything is just anti-science and doesn't understand what they are talking about. Also if all scientists do agree on something then could it not also have to do with the fact that many scientists who take opposing views are being fired. I am sure there are not people out there who are going along with the most extreme claims of global warming just to keep their jobs,that would never happen. Isn't it human nature to disagree on issues? Every time i hear that everyone agrees on some issue it makes me uneasy since that is the first sign that someone is not being allowed to speak.
See this is how you lose freedom. You trust one person or group of people and never ask any questions of them. Then you give up one freedom to stop a threat,soon you are giving up another and another and another until you are living in a brutal police state. This is why I question everyone and never go for the extreme solution to any problems and why I think pointing fingers at people and blaming them for problems doesn't really work that well. It creates an us vs. them attitude that is very hard to get out of and when all you do is watch them you have no idea what Us is getting up to.
It is an interesting demo of human nature that most people where on board for some of my extreme ideas but when it came to something they didn't want to do it wasn't worth losing their freedoms over. That is the other danger we face and why we have to watch ourselves when it comes to an extreme threat like global warming,or terrorism,or communism. It seems that to stop a great threat we are all willing to see someone else give up their freedoms but when it comes time for us to lose some of our own that is when we get mad. Really we should get just as mad over the other guy losing his freedoms as we do over our own,otherwise what right do we have to complain?
I don't think you understand how science works.
There's overwhelming amounts of proof. Hundreds of studies, Tens of thousands of pages from hundreds of institutes from dozens of countries. There are decades of disagreement, discredited hypotheses, supporting evidence, arguments, and analysis and reanalysis of data. It's all there, recorded. The other side of the debate (although that's a false dichotomy because science isn't taking sides, it's presenting a framework to understand data) has spoken and continues to speak. The dialogue has been, is now, and will continue to be ongoing. That's how science works.
No one has lost the right to speak. No one's freedoms are limited. Anyone can still present data, and if it's good it will be incorporated into the understanding of a topic. It is however, highly unlikely that the overwhelming consensus of all data that fits the current theoretical model is going to be suddenly overturned. That's how science works.
If you want to stand up and say "I think science is wrong!" you need to be prepared to be specific, quantifiable, falsifiable, and have good replicatable data sets. That's how science works.
Scientists are constantly questioned and constantly held accountable when they are wrong. A scientist gets MORE kudos for disproving something that's popularly held than for supporting it. Scientists constantly check and recheck each other, HOPING to find errors. That's how science works.
