TheBoost

My thoughts on the subject of technology.

CLOAKING DEVICE:
I think the enemy having a cloaking device, and the threat of enemy ships just appearing and attacking, can be very dramatic, exciting, and Star Warsy.

I think the idea of a plot revolving around aqcuiring cloaking device technology starts to feel a little to 'sci-fi' and not as Star Warsy.

CLONING
Somebody refrenced the clones as 'dopplegangers' and that resonated with me. Replacing people with evil clones has a kind of mythic quality. (Although I still prefer cloned shocktroopers, which totally eliminated much of the scifi/cerebral aspects of the cloning question).

I don't care for the idea of cloning specific Jedi, insane or not, to recreate force powers. It makes Jedi too biological and makes the cloning too scientific a concept.

MITICLORIANS
Interestingly, I've never minded midichlorians. For one thing, we already knew the Force could be inherited ("The Force is strong in my family") and for another, it served the story purpose (which I think is the reason the entire concept was created) of identifying lil' Anikin as megapowerful, possibly the chosen one. But making miticloriens the basis for cloning evil Jedi with force powers I think crosses the line away from the Mythical Space Opera elements of Star Wars into something else.

 On the admitted fuzzy continuum between what exactly is 'hard' or 'soft' sci-fi, I think secret clone duplicates and cloaking devices are a little on the 'hard' side for Star Wars.  Ideas like clone-rights, or battling your own clone feels thematcially off. I'm more partial to cloaking devices, as long as the technology of cloaking isn't one of the principal plot points. Inivisble ships suddenly appearing might be cool.

I'm also not in love with with Zahn trilogy. Insane clones, Luuke Skywalker, and Thrawn, a character so awesome he keeps the heroes from ever doing anything particuarly cool. I don't see why we'd want to be bound by anything in it.

I like the clonetroopers in the PT because really, the issue of them being clones is fairly unimportant. What's important was that they were an army from nowhere. I like the idea that in the NPT, whoever the enemy is (Mandalorians? Pirates?) they have clone shocktroopers.

I have to admit, the murder-mystery is intriguing, but a bit confusing for a Star Wars. I'm also not hot on the Sith being an organization made up of a bunch of Darths (IMHO one of the more disapointing aspects of the PT). It cheapens Vader's awesomeness.

I think the balance between keeping OT secrets and not is going to be very very tricky. Finding a way for the main character (Obi) to know the horrific fate of another main character (Anakin) but leave the audience in the dark will involve too many switcheroos and red herrings. At worst it might seem totally unsatisfying. If Anakin, one of the heroes, falls to evil, the audience needs to SEE it. I think leaving Anakin's fate and Vader's identity ambiguous might be the best way to go.

On the other hand, certain secrets, like keeping Yoda off camera, will be easy as pie.

I think cloaking devices and people being replaced with clones is a little to 'sci-fi' for Star Wars. Excepting the mere existence of the Death Star, technology plays an extremely limited role in the OT.

RANDOM THOUGHTS:

The Jedi are like gunslingers with white hats. They wander the galaxy, fixing wrongs, keepin' the peace. They meet up from time to time, expecially to discuss the training of young Jedis, but mainly do their own thing, often traveling in pairs, but not always.

The more I think on it, the more I think a Anankin-NotPadme-Bail Organa love triangle could be on the of the central spines of the NPT.

Palpatine doesn't have to be deceptive. Hitler was a wild, violent revolutionairy the entire time, people who liked him were just happy he was on their side. In times of crisis, a vicious old man with icewater in his veins may be just the sort of leader the peoples want. If he's plainly very aggressive, we can play him as a foil to Bail Organa.

The idea of galactic piracy has grown on me (although not Sith Pirates). It could form a good conflict, especially if the pirates are aliens, as that segueways into the Empires anti-alien policies. It would allow a sort of space-battle we haven't really seens. Medium sized ships blasting at eachother. Close quarter fighting deck to deck. It also opens the door for some cool minor characters, friends or foes.

One of the flaws of the PT was the constant repitition of the same planets. Naboo, Coruscant, Tatoine. I'd like to see some cool new planets. An underwater planet. A tropical archipeligo planet. A planet of gleaming quartz mountains. The only cool planets in the PT were Utapau (which we saw so little of) and Mustafar.

ChainsawAsh said:

TheBoot, you have some good ideas, but it feels simultaneously too similar to ideas already presented to the point where it's really not much new, and too similar to the prequels as they exist today.  I know that seems contradictory, but that's the feeling I got when I read them.  Also, it's far too clear that Anakin is Vader at the end.  But there are some good ideas in there, as well.

 Like I said, I'm really trying to make an amalgam of what I think are some of the stronger concepts presented so far, I'm not trying to present it as 'mine.'

Bingowings said:

Then came TPM and not only was it a not very good film but it largely ignored all the little titbits of the story that we were fed for the past twenty odd years.

This is why I'm so protective of the background elements that matter most (Obi Wan is the cause of Vader's need of a breath screen, Vader is THE Dark Lord Of The Sith, Boba Fett is somehow connected to the Shocktroopers of the Clone Wars which fought against the Jedi. Leia was old enough to remember her real mother before she died).

 I totally agree that these little tidbits should be included if possible, and they shouldn't be too tough.

The hardest thing about keeping Vader's identity a secret is that ObiWan KNOWS that Vader is Anakin. "What I told you was true, from a certain point of view." is an admission of that. Otherwise he would have said, "I genuinly thought Vader was not your dad!" How to let Obi know, and keep the audience is suspence is a challenge.

Random Thoughts-

We have no reason in the OT to have preconceptions about cloning technology. I'm not opposed to human clones replacing people(I like the witchunt/paranoia concepts), but what if the Clone Wars were wars against a culture, perhaps the Mandalorians, that reproduced by cloning certain castes. All warriors were the same, all officers were the same. Maybe only the noble class were individuals.

We need some villains. And we need some with lightsabers. An obvious choice is Mandalore himself, head of the Mandalorians, maybe some of his captains. One or two rogue Jedi in league with the various baddies could help cast suspicion on the entire order. On the subject of lightsabers, I propose (based on someone elses ideas in some re-edit thread) that all Jedi wield blue sabers. That makes Luke's green saber a symbolic symbol of his new jedi order. Perhaps a couple Mandalorians could wield white sabers ( I just think that would look neat). We could really use some cool minor villains like Maul or Grievous (maybe even use Grevious... thoguh I may be the only person alive who actually thought he was cool). Perhaps Palpy has a dark side apprentice he uses as a spy/assassin that Anakin or Obi can encounter, without ever truly understanding what they baddie is up to.

Here's my POSSIBLE OVER-ARCING PLOT-

Liberally taking from, altering, and combing many many neat ideas from this thread, a very loose outline. If anyones ideas are presented here without citation, my apology. If anyone elses ideas are presented here and look dumb, I take responsibility for not incorporating or explaining them well.

EPISODE ONE-

"Good Times with Some Foreshadowing!"

Extending from ErickStormtroopers swashbuckling synopsis of a young spice freighter pilot (Anakin) who helps a Jedi Knight (Obi) and a reluctant prince (Bail Oranga) to overcome a coup attemp and invasion from the wicked Mandalorians, and save the day. Anakin is encouraged to have an adventure by his sister Beru. The leader of the Mandalorians is a bad dude named Jango. During the day-saving, we meet the reluctant prince's betrothed (Notpadme) and she shares a moment with Anakin (dramatic foreshadowing). Anakin decides to stay with Obi and see what this Jedi business is all about and Bail decides his people need a good king. Obi mentions that his master, Yoda, has renounced the world and gone to live as a hermit, the final stage in the spiritual life of a Jedi, but that not having Yoda around shouldn't be a problem. It's a real happy ending.

EPISODE TWO-

"The Clone War"

Building on Blackhawks ideas, some time later, Anakin (who was never anyone's apprentice), Obi, and Obi's new apprentice (young Deak) are on a mission to battle Pirates in the outer rim. Lot's of bad things are happening in the years since the attack on Alderaan. The Mandalorians keep attacking, nonhuman pirates torment the outer rim, the economy is in chaos, crime lords have unprecedented power, and people are starving. It's a bad time.

By now Bail is a young king trying to hold things together. He appoints Obi and Anakin as his generals. As Bail tries to unify the crumbling republic with words of hope, Palpatine, an aged but charasmatic figure from Naboo preaches dissent and vengeance against those who have done this to use (aliens, clones, pirates, jews, whatever). During all of this, Anakin begins an affair with Notpadme, the woman who was promised to Bail Organa as a child.

Some kind of sequence of events leads to a confrontation between our heroes and the Mandalorian mothership. Mandalore kills Deak in one on one combat. Obi and Anikin subdue Mandalore, (Anakin perhaps losing his arm in the conflic) and Anakin uses FORCECHOKE for the first time, to squeeze the life out of him. Wracked with grief, Obi disaproved of Anakin's brutal vengeance, and Anakin scoffs at him, the start of their rift.

The war against the Mandalorians is over, but the war for the sould of the Repubic is only beginning. As hundreds are arrested and deported as clones, sympathisers, enemy combatants, or whatever, Palpatine  gains enough support that he and his private army of Stormtroopers are appointed to defend the repubic against all enemies, the start of the New Order.

EPISODE THREE

"The Sith hits the fan. "

The New Order has deposed the senate. People rejoice as the ineffectual politicans are removed from office. But that's not the end of it. Brutal purges of aliens, loyalist sympathisers, and suspected clones leave thousands of peple 'vanished.'

Anakin throws himself into this enforcement with a vengeance. Palpatine gives Anakin what he always wanted, power. Obi tells Anakin that he can't serve two masters, and Anakin renounces the Jedi to serve the New Order. He gives Obi his lightsaber, saying it has no meaning to him, and he consturcts a new red one. He is awarded by Palpatine with the ancient title Lord of the Sith, and becomes head of the Stormtroopers, Palpy's elite guard. Anakin, with extreme cruelty, breaks off his affair with Notpadme. Notpadme never tells Anakin she's pregnant. She marries Bail Organa, who has always loved her, in spite of everything.

The New Order begins executing people. Bail Organa meets in secret with a few remaing Jedi to discuss open rebellion. The Storm Troopers, led by handsome Anakin in his white armor, now Darth Vader in all but name, attack. Obi pleads with Anakin, insisting theirs still good in him until Anakin cuts down one of Obi's jedi friends in cold blood. The two do battle, during the battle the right side of Anakin's head is burned by hot steam, making him fight even more vicously. Finally, Obi stabs Anakin in the chest, destroying his lungs and severing his spinal chord at the neck. (I think this could account for all of Vader's apparent injuries.) But it's too little too late. The Stormtroopers have taken Bail and killed the last few Jedi except for Obi. Obi flees.

The final scene has a new figure, a black cloaked monstrocity, as of yet unnamed, performs the execution of Bail Organa. Obi watches it happen from the shadows, and even though it is unsaid... he knows who it is.

Notpadme Organa flees to Alderaan with her daughter, as Alderaan is disarmed as punishment for their king's treachery.

and Obi takes baby Luke and flies to Tatoine.

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It's very rough, but I think it rolls with a lot of the strength of many ideas presented here. Obviously none of the stories have a middle act, good characterization, or interesting villains yet. I don't really have a role for Notpadme, and it could use lots and lots of nuances.

Erikstormtrooper said:

Synopsis - 1st HALF:

The story starts as a spice freighter (spice is a substance of questionable legality) exits hyperspace over a random planet, only to drop right into the thick of a battle. The ship is suddenly struck by random blaster fire, the captain killed, and the navicomputer damaged. But the navigator Anakin skywalker - with the help of the ship's astromech R2-D2 - begins repairs. While the battle rages, Anakin restores main engines and begins a slow getaway, when he receives a distress call from another nearby ship. He weighs whether he should get involved, risking being caught for his spice smuggling. After a moment, he decides to go back for the rescue.When Anakin doesn't immediately say no, Owen balks. He asks how Anakin could even consider this after all that's happened, how he could willingly put himself in harm's way. Anakin looks at his father's helmet on the wall, then grabs it and says "let's go". After Anakin leaves with the others, Owen says "I have a bad feeling about this". Beru replies that Anakin must follow his heart.

 

(Sorry to keep posting like mad, but I've read this thread front to back four times now!)

I really dig on this plot structure for your Episode I. A great way to introduce Anakin, Alderaan, the Skywalker fam, Tatoinne and Obi. It's exciting, wastes no time, and gives us an unexpected interesting character in Bail Organa. With Beru beleiving in Anakin and Owen being kind of aggressive to Obi, it perfectly sets up their characters in "Star Wars."

 I'm a little iffy on the Civil War aspects of the Second Clone War. Anyone opposed to clone rights would just seem to evil, but I don't have an alternative idea.

I'm also not too hot on the Sith Pirates, and the Darth Vader/Dread Pirate Roberts angle. It's original, but a tad confusing.

Here's a doodle I Photoshopped. Young Sebastian Shaw's head with stormtrooper armor and cape. Perhaps what Anakin might look like if he leads the Storm Troopers?

ChainsawAsh said:

TheBoost said:

-What if the Jedi deserved to be destroyed? What if they, as a religion, were too powerful, too comfortable, and many of them were turning their back on the true path? I'm inspired by the medieval Catholic church, where the clergy weilded more power than kings and more than half of all priests and most popes had illigetimate kids. Perhaps a handful of Jedi, like Quigon, might still be faithful, but as a whole it's a decaying institution. This would put Luke as the start of a fresh, pure Jedi order.

-What if the Republic was hopelessly corrupt as well? What if Anakin and Obiwan were part of a valid revolution, but where Obiwan was on the side to redeem and reform the Republic, whereas Anakin finds himself more in the 'burn it all, behead your enemies, reform a dictatorship' camp. (A little Oliver Cromwell. a little Napoleon)

-What if Anakin, publicly as Anakin, was leader of the Storm Troopers, President Palpatine's personal security force? He eventually renounces the Jedi and becomes head of this 'Secret Police' (very Nazi Brownshirts). He could even wear a white, helmetless version of the Vader armor. If the Jedi are outlawed, he could lead the hunt for them as Anakin, not becoming Vader until Obiwan makes him all crippleified.

 

No offense, but a movie like you described would be so full of completely unredeeming characters that I don't think anybody would find any kind of enjoyment in it.

Plus I'm still in the camp that OT secrets need to be kept, and that the Jedi should be only well-known enough for some people to think that it's a crazy cult (precedent: "Your sad devotion to that ancient religion ... " "... I've never seen anything to make me believe there's one all-powerful 'force' that controls everything"), some people to not even know they exist, and some, obviously, to believe in them.

However, I like your Anakin not having a wife/knocking up Bail's wife idea.

 No worries. They're all pretty downer ideas if they were all used. But maybe just one? Perhaps the Jedi are good, but the Republic is legitimatley corrupt (as opposed to just inefficient in the PT) or perhaps the Republic is strong, but the Jedi are bloated and wealthy. So if the Empire does indeed have a claim to being 'good,' it's even more f-ed up when Palpatine and Vader turn out to be such jerks.

Here's another thought. If Anakin goes bad and leads the Stormtroopers against the Jedi... maybe Obiwan could try and redeem him, failing miserably. THAT might be why he's so dead-set against Luke trying to redeem Vader.

Another thought: Ian McDiarmid described Palpatine as like Iago from Othello, a comepletely unredeemable character. What if instead of being a mastermind, Palpy's rise to power was more Iago-esque. He could be a flatterer, a spreader of innuendos, a false friend, an oppurtunist. He might be Bail Organa's advisor, who might subtly sow the seeds of war from the shadows the same way he subtly begins to turn Anakin Skywalker to his side. It would take some real skilled and subtle characterization, but it might be interesting.

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Bingowings said:

TheBoost said:

-What if Anakin never even becomes a Jedi? Obiwan meets him, they become buddies, and then Obiwan tries to instruct him in the Force, and Anakin just goes bad from the start? I don't love this idea, but I think there's nothing in the OT that says Anakin had to be a Jedi.

 

"I was once a Jedi Knight the same as your father", admittedly this is coming from Obi-Wan the biggest fibber in the galaxy but it would seem to point to Vader getting to the Jedi Knight stage before going down hill.

 

 Good point. I'd forgotten that line. Although there's no reason that a NPT couldn't make is so that Obiwan ISN'T a big liar.

WheresBlackhawk said:

For example, questions I'm trying to answer are:

1.  What is Clone War II?

2.  Why do we never see Yoda in this trilogy and why is he on Dagobah?

3.  What sets Anakin apart from other Jedi that Palpatine is interested in him?

4.  How does the emperor rise to power and how do we make him NOT seem evil?

5.  If the emperor is willing to kill Anakin's children because they would be a threat to him, why does he keep Vader?

6.  Who are the Sith and why aren't they in the OT?

7.  Why did Obiwan tell Luke, "I was ONCE a Jedi knight, the same as your father"?

8.  After Alderaan is destroyed in ANH, why isn't Leia a queen?  Wouldn't she be the last living royalty of that world?

9.  Why does Leia remember her "real mother," while Luke finds Dagobah familiar?

Let me know how you would like me to present my ideas (outline or concepts).

 1- Perhaps rebel clones, tired of being second class citizens, revolt against the Republic.

2- Maybe Yoda is a great prophet, living in exile. Maybe he had been the leader of the Jedi order, and renounced it and the wealth and power to live in harmony with the force.

3- Maybe nothing. Maybe Anakin's just the right kind of ruthless soldier to step up and take a leadership role in the New Order

4- Maybe Palpatine rises to power against a legitamatley twisted government. He might be a bringer of peace.

5- I got no idea here.

6- Who said the Sith need to be in the PT? Maybe "Dark Lord of the sith" is an ancient title (like being the Duke of Suchandsuch) that Palpatine awards Vader with.

7- Things get so bad as the Empire rises, Obi-Wan actually renonces the Jedi order, throwing his badge aside and hiding (he'd need a badge of some sort).

8- "Princess" might be a title shared by lots of people. If she's far enough down the line of succession that the idea that she's now queen of a dead planet wasn't even worth thinking of.

9- I think Leia's mother should survive (and Anakin might never know she was pregnant) and go to Yoda for advice. Leia can be raised as her mother's legitamate child and Yoda can call in ex-Jedi Obiwan for a favor and have him look after Luke, so as not to keep all the eggs in a basket.

Just ideas. The PT world is totally open.

This thread is AWESOME and I would like nothing more than to play a part in this braintrust.

Here are some questions that might lead down interesting paths.  

-What if the Jedi deserved to be destroyed? What if they, as a religion, were too powerful, too comfortable, and many of them were turning their back on the true path? I'm inspired by the medieval Catholic church, where the clergy weilded more power than kings and more than half of all priests and most popes had illigetimate kids. Perhaps a handful of Jedi, like Quigon, might still be faithful, but as a whole it's a decaying institution. This would put Luke as the start of a fresh, pure Jedi order.

-What if the Republic was hopelessly corrupt as well? What if Anakin and Obiwan were part of a valid revolution, but where Obiwan was on the side to redeem and reform the Republic, whereas Anakin finds himself more in the 'burn it all, behead your enemies, reform a dictatorship' camp. (A little Oliver Cromwell. a little Napoleon)

-What if Anakin, publicly as Anakin, was leader of the Storm Troopers, President Palpatine's personal security force? He eventually renounces the Jedi and becomes head of this 'Secret Police' (very Nazi Brownshirts). He could even wear a white, helmetless version of the Vader armor. If the Jedi are outlawed, he could lead the hunt for them as Anakin, not becoming Vader until Obiwan makes him all crippleified.

-I think Anakin doesn't need to get married. Maybe he doesn't even KNOW his lady is pregnant, since their affair is secret anyways. Maybe she's married. Maybe Bail Organa can't have kids, and his wife is schtupping a Jedi on the side, and he's fine with it.

-What if Anakin never even becomes a Jedi? Obiwan meets him, they become buddies, and then Obiwan tries to instruct him in the Force, and Anakin just goes bad from the start? I don't love this idea, but I think there's nothing in the OT that says Anakin had to be a Jedi.

Forest Moon of Endor:

1. Add Endor so that the Forest Moon is actually a moon of something.

Watched "Jedi" last night. It seemed to me that since the DS and the moon are always in sunlight, the planet the forest moon is orbiting can very likely just be on the other side of the forest moon. The forest moon is a really big planet (at least Earth size apparently) not a small moon. It's completely possible that in all the wideshots the gas giant Endor is simply behind the planet, or behind the camera.

ChainsawAsh said:

Bingowings was thinking more of what I was concerned about - how we would make it clear that Fett sold the information to the Rebels.

And that's not a half-bad idea, either.

 How did Boba know where the Death Star was?

ChainsawAsh said:

He's a bounty hunter - as soon as he's got his money, he's off to catch another bounty and get more.  Why the hell would he be hanging out at Jabba's in the first place?

 Yeah, but since Jabba hated Solo so much, perhaps the bounty was large enough to take an extended leave. Maybe Fett's the type of guy who'd LOVE hanging out in Jabba's Xanadu for a long time. If I'm faced with the option of traveling space hunting men, or a nice cozy room sleeping with a backup singer in Jabba's Pleasure Island, I know what i'd take!

I'm confused by the 'remove Boba' sentiment.

Excluding the EU, Boba was a minor, albiet cool looking, character in Empire, who acheived what he did by being clever and sneaky, not by being badass.

In Jedi he's hanging out at Jaba's opium den flirting with dames, (a SE addition i dig) and when some action goes down, he doesn't accomplish much except dying.

It's a minor comeupance for a minor villain. I dig it. A memorable goon who dies a memorable goon death.

Gaffer Tape said:

Ugh, another irritating retcon.  It seemed so much cooler when it was always told that years of misuse of the dark side had deformed his face.  And, in another fun example of Lucas making this up on the fly, he was actually going with this story in AOTC, as Palpatine looks much more ragged than he did in ROTS, after Lucas changed his mind.

 Is it really a retcon? Where was it official that:

A: The 'Mask Theory' is legit.

or

B: That years of using the darkside had made Palpatine ugly.

I'd always though he was just really, really old in the OT. I don't know if different explanations for ambiguities count as retcons.

It seems that alot of material in the EU is just an echo of what the movies do.

Jabba the Hutt is a big worm? How about an entire species of big worms that are all just like him, and are all gangsters too!

Jabba had a pet rancor? So what? Everyone has one. In fact, Rancors are about the most common animal in the galaxy. Right next to Banthas.

Greedo was a bounty hunter? So is every member of his species. He's like a halfling thief... rodians only have one potential life path.

Every criminal is a smuggler with a bounty on their head. Apparently the GFFA doesn't have any other crimes. Or any other way of dealing with criminals.

In a galaxy with millions of systems, every always seems to go to or have been to the same couple dozen.

Anakin had a secret wife? That's the Jedi equivalent of a priest with a drinking problem. Just look the other way.

Palpatine almost destroys the Jedi? Not a big deal. It had been done quite a few times before, and is done again a generation or two later.

Vader is a Jedi who falls to the dark side and is redeemed? Here's how "ROTJ" should have played out.

PALPATINE: "You must know now that your father can never be turned from the Dark Side."

LUKE: "Actually Empy, if you read up on your history, it's not at all uncommon. Darth Revan and Ulic Quel Droma come to mind. Someday my grandson will do it too."

VADER: "He's right boss. Maybe we should BOTH go back to the light side."

I don't know if it's writers or publishers afraid of inventing new ground, or Lucasfilm only approving things that have huge derivative elements, or what, but it's one of the reasons I just can't get into the EU. 

darthmunky said:

Yeah, I think the whole dancing number should be taken out.

Also, why do people dislike the ring in planet/DS explosions?

 I don't dislike it for what it is, but it seemed that Star Wars, which was ringless (which is just fine by me) decided to copy Stargate and whoever. Star Wars needs to copy NO ONE!

The ring is arbitrary. No reason an exploding planet needs a ring, except that they were biting off Stargate.

vaderios said:

The inner stalagmites are placed to make a point. It gives an other depth of field.Like you said Ady has the last word here.

-Angel

 Silly quibble, but since stalagmites and tites are formed by water dripping, an asterioid with no liquid water or gravity wouldn't have any.

I always liked the space slug. I don't think it needs any tweaking.

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ben_danger said:

does ady have any plans to rename the prequels?

 

i always like seeing alternatives as the PT titles just dont sound as iconic as the OT ones.

 I like "TPM" and "ROTS" but "AOTC" always sounded dumb to me.

I'd have dug 'The Clone War' as a title. More dramatic.

Heres my input on some of the above list that I felt strongly about. Mostly my opinions are about story moments, not the technical stuff. I seem to be one who liked ROTJ more than many on this thread.

 Tatooine:

1. Remove Boba Fett from the film. WHY? He Rules.
2. "Cantina"-ize Jabba's speech and expressions. I'm not sure he needs it. It's an amazing puppet.
3. Remove Fett flirting with the dancer. I like it. It's practically the only characterization Fett ever gets.
4. Remove Han's scene with Chewie in the dungeons. "Everyone gets delusions of grandeur" is on the best lines in the trilogies!
5. Cut the Rancor Keeper's mourning. I like it. It's a nice bit.
6. Make it so Han deliberately hits or shoots Fett using shots from later in the movie. I hope not. Fett is a minor character with a minor death.
7. Attempt to restore the deleted Sandstorm scene and remove the ship-to-ship conversation. Neat, but probably imposssible

Forest Moon of Endor:

1. Add 3PO's line "I believe they are called... Ewoks" from the Radio Drama. Might be neat, but seems unnecessary.
2. Change Vader's line of "Obi-wan once thought as you do" to "Your mother once thought as you do". This might be a great moment.
3. Cut Teebo's Speeder Bike Adventure. Again, I like this. It serves a purpose, and is kinda funny.

Death Star Attack:

1. Rebel fighters crashing into the DS shield. This would be sweet.
2. Kill Lando, blow up the Falcon. Justify Han's feeling like he's "never going to see her again." What's wrong with a happy ending?
3. Remove ring from DS explosion.  Please.

Death Star Interior - Luke/Vader Duel:

1. Replace the Emperor's advisers with Nemoidians. I thought the Empire didn't like Aliens?
2. Edit Vader's dialog to hiding Luke to remove some cheesy lines. Cheesy?! That's some dramatic stuff!
3. Add Sith eyes while Luke is beating Vader. Please no. The 'Sith Eyes' thing is just kinda silly in my opinion.
4. Add Qui Gon voiceover to Vader's hesitation to imply that Qui Gon passes his secrets of Jedi Ghosthood to Anakin. Vader knew Quigon for like, three days thrty five years earlier. I just don't see it.
5. Add flashbacks to Vader's hesitation of Padme, his mother, Qui Gon, etc. Please no. It's cheesy, unneccessary, and against the style of the film.

Ending:

1. Add Leia viewing the funeral pyre. Why? To her Vader's the bad man who tortured her. Luke's the one who redeemed him.
2. Restore Yub Nub. Yub Nub Rules!
3. Restore Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's Force Ghost. Please!
4. Attempt to morph Shaw and Christensen into the Anakin Force Ghost. Just too weird.

Ripplin said:

TheBoost said:

MIXED REACTION
The Hyperspace tunnel and blue-tint.

I'm surprised about the mixed reaction (one of my favorite things about the entire edit!) and not at all surprised about the 'mostly didn't care for' (I didn't care for it either).

 

 Some of the crew dug it, and the other half went "what the hell is that? Why are they blue?"

Apparently the few seconds we actually see the inside of hyperspace in the normal versions didn't make a memorable impression.

Had a party last weekend where me and some pals watched "The Phantom Edit" and "Revisited." thought I'd share some feedback.

TOTALLY LOVED
The Obi-Wan/Vader fight. Everyone marked out.
The Mos Eisley alien masks, especially Greedo.
Battle droid head (one dude caught it, then we had to rewind).
New Death Star attack PowerPoint.

MIXED REACTION
The Hyperspace tunnel and blue-tint.

MOSTLY DIDN'T CARE FOR
The electro-needle torture thing.

Many of the rest of the alterations went unnoticed, although I'm sure they were subconciously appreciated. Good time had by all.