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#374583
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I was watching Back to the Future...
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xhonzi said:

My favourite is Luke's scream when he trips/falls/jumps off the vane at the end of ESB. 

It just wasn't possible to make Luke scream (the original intent, but limited by technology and budget) in 1979.  So, it was top of the list of things to chang in 1996.  And then it was possible to remove it again in 2004.

 

Huh?

 

 Seriously. Even though I think his obsession with burying the OOT is douchebagish to the extreme, part of me wants to say 'but at least Lucas is consistent in his ideals about the filmmaker's vision' then he goes and does seemingly random stuff like this.

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#374557
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Story for Maxim magazine - NEED YOUR HELP!
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I can give you the secret scoop. The seedy underside of the fan-edit world; a dark cabal of hidden symbols and exclusive groups with sinister agendas far outweighing trying to make "Attack of the Clones" a decent movie. You need to ask yourself, who benefits? What was Jar Jar really symbolizing? What does this all have to do with the Bay of Pigs? The question is, are you ready to see how deep the rabbit hole really goes?

Otherwise, Moth3r's FAQ really is excellent.

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#373938
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Worst Edit Ideas
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Nanner Split said:

 

Idea: Someone could record a commentary of ANH as George Lucas. The potential for comic gold is massive. He could talk about how much he hated the movie the whole time or something.

I like it... it might also be funny to include as many actual, yet totally contradictory quotes from Lucas as possible. I know there are plenty over the years.

 

 

 

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#373901
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How would you have done ROTJ?
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skyjedi2005 said:

I would have had Kasden write the screenplay, had gary kurtz produce and Kershner direct.

Lucas only as a story consultant and executive producer to make sure  the film does not go over budget.

* * * * * * * 

The French New wave of autuer theory of filmaking, and USC taught him to be proficient in making films that were uniquely his films.  Thus Lucasfilm.  The plots stories and direction of the films were not determined by the hollywood banker types and shysters lucas found it distateful to work with.

Pardon me if I misunderstand, but on one hand you seem to be praising Lucas for his autuer-ness, and on the other saying he should step back and just be a businessman and let other people make 'his' films.

 

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#373837
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Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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Bingowings said:

What can be done from this brilliant list of ideas.

Chewie throwing a guard into the Sarlacc might be doable by taking footage from the Endor battle and replacing a stormy for a skiff guard.

Yoda's new line could be added into the beginning of a fan-o-matic style cut or where it is in it's current form (suggesting he has been going back and forth but it might be a bit more vague that way).

It may be possible to replace conference members with a more diverse band (I've already voiced my dislike of the set as it currently exists).

Dropping the other generals in may be possible.

Chewie on the bike must be doable with a good model (but it might be difficult getting him to sneak passed the troops).

I already did a mockup of the dish on a mountain ridge (all be it on the other side).

 

Landing platform

The blowdarts and Ewok deaths can be adapted from elements from the Ewok movies (there have already been posts about how to make their culture more complex and convincing as fighters).

More pilots might be doable too (there are plenty of people with spot on costumes who would love to be in a cut of one of the films).

And I love your idea of the audience jumping to hyperspace at the end (nice touch).

So there's plenty that can be done there.

 

 I had a feeling that the projector on the mountain came from this thread. I'm blown away by how much of my pin-in-the-sky rambling is possible. This makes me want to master some of the techniques these are done, so I can contirbute more.

 

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#373802
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Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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THE FOLLOWING IS FROM THE "HOW WOULD YOU DO ROTJ" THREAD. BINGO SAID I SHOULD POST IT HERE, JUST FOR TALKING POINTS. I THINK MOST OF THIS IS TOTALLY BEYOND THE SCOPE OF FAN EDITING:

My brother and I just had a four hour car ride, and this topic came up. Basically we dished on it for the entire trip.

Here are our conclusions.

ROTJ, like the prequals, although far less egregious, suffered from a flawed execution, and not (in our opinion) fundamentally bad ideas.

Changes we would see:

JABBAS PALACE-
It is Leia, not Luke, who organizes the rescue. In fact, dialogue dictates that a while back Luke sent R2 to Leia, and no one has seen Luke in a while.
Leia's plan needs R2 in the Palace to help her deactivate the carbonite. Lando has already snuck in, 3PO and R2 hand themselves over, and Leia comes in disguise. Just like in the film she and Han (and R2) get caught.

Then Luke shows up, all mysterious. My brother and I both thought some kind of visual to cue that Luke had changed was in order. We had four ideas.

-Long hair. Akin to Anakin in ROTS.
-Short hair, like Anakin had in AOTC, minus the rattail.
-An Obi-Wan-esque cropped beard.
-Make up to show the scarring he recieved at Vader's hands healed poorly.

This change shows he's different, and hopefully makes the audience a little more likely to suspect he'll fall to the Dark Side. Also, when he flips his hood back "You will bring captain Solo and the Wookie to me" its kind of a shock.

From here on in the Jabba sequence runs more or less like in the movie with two changes.

During the skiff battle Chewie should toss some dude like a football into the Sarlac. Seriously, Chewie never gets to cut loose.

Han get's his site back a little faster, which leads to a confrontation with Boba. Boba wraps Luke in the rope, then Han yells at him and the two have an old-West shootout moment. Boba is faster, but Han ducks and falls, spinning and shooting at Boba. He misses, but it richochets, igniting Fett's jetpack and sending him to his doom. It keeps the moment similar, while giving Han a Hero Moment and killing Fett slightly more satisfactorilly.

After the Barge goes boom, the lost Sandstorm scene is inserted. It provides another set, making the film feel bigger, and gives Han and Lando a moment to acknowledge Han's forgiving him.

Luke returns to Dagobah, where it seems he's been for some time, training. He rushes back because Yoda is ill. THe scene plays the same, but when Luke asks if Vader is his father, Yoda says "Ah, the question you've never asked." implying the issue had been an elephant in the hut for some time. This way we have a reason for why Luke is suddenly so badass, he's been with Yoda all this time.

At the Rebel Briefing, it's a much more diverse crowd. The Prune-faces are featured more, as well as a more ethnically and genderwise diverse human crowd. A whole contingent of guys in differnet uniforms (something vaguely Napoleonic to stand out) are sitting together, to give the impression of diverse forces joining together for this one big rush. And Lando's copilot should be there.

If possible, it would be nice to see Dodana or Reiken. Adds a little sense of EPIC SCALE to see them return.

Lando is only a commander... just to make it funny that Han outranks him.

Another contingent of people greet Leia. They are the surviving Alderaanians, converting their merchant vessels to warcraft for thsi attack. The leader tries to convince Leia to stay away from the battle, because 'she's all they have left.' Leia says that if they lose, none of them will have anything left. (A nice moment for Leia to show some leadership).

Otherwise the film would be mostly the same until we meet the Ewoks.

Ewoks need to be much more intense. Not scary, but not cuddly (cute is ok). They have bone-totems on their belts, and claws, and mud caked in their fur. The Ewoks have been apparently waging a guerrilla war against the Imperials the whole time. Moff Jerjerod keeps denying that there is any problem with 'the natives,' clearly indicating that there is a problem. When the gang is captured by the Ewoks, empty stormtrooper armor is piled next to the cooking fire.

When 3PO tells his story, the Ewoks pass around a horn bubbling with a noxious drink, and all the heroes drink it as an initiation (just to imply the Ewoks have some kind of culture of their own).

I wouldn't change a damn thing about the Emperor or any of the scenes of him, Vader and Luke. (except that he really needs a nicer shuttle). I think they're perfect.

ENDOR BATTLE:
No Ewok steals the speederbike. Let Chewie do it. He deserves some more action.
More Ewoks die. Not a bloodbath, but we should see some get shot. We should also see some stab Stormtroopers with spears and poison blowdarts.
Have the Force Field projector be on top of a mountain, and the bunker at the base... just to make the geography more clear.
The shuttle the heroes came in had a small force of maybe 40-50 people shoved in the back like a Normandy lander. Let them (including the Prune-faces) get some action.
Leia gets blasted in the shoulder and it WOUNDS HER badly. This is WAR dammit.
Mainly the battle should feel bigger.

SPACE BATTLE:
More ships. More types of ships. The Rebellion might have some repainted ships. Ships should crash together.
THere should be at least one Hero Shot of the Falcon flying with all guns blazing, blasting TIE fighters. Footage was shot of soldiers in the Falcon's guns firing away. That should be used.
Footage was also shot of Madine's death, as well as a female XWing pilot. These should go back in.
The guys in Napoleonic jackets can bite the dust heroically, as can some of the Alderanians. This is WAR dammit.
When Lando is escaping the Death Star, the firebursts out... and we hold our breath as a few seconds later the Falcon doesn't fly out, it tumbles out, totally scorched and barely holding together.

ENDING
Lando and Han reunite, and Han sees how totally damaged the Falcon is, black and scorched. This could be a fun moment.
Leia (arm in a sling) greets the surviving Alderanians and they kneel. A hopeful moment for the future.
Yub Yub is playing. Screw it, I love that song.
The Ewok Cheif, a translator, and a Rebel commander are talking. They're a proud people Ewoks, not all dancing teddy bears. (some can still dance)
Luke comes back. Everyone is happy. Luke looks over and sees ObiWan, Yoda, and Sebastian Shaw.

The camera pans up above the happy people, XWings drop fireworks in the sky, camera pans up to the stars, where, as the music crescendos, the AUDIENCE POV ITSELF is pulled into hyperspace as the credits roll. People cheer.

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#373425
Topic
Worst Edit Ideas
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I'd love to see Luke redubbed to sound more like Fluke Starbucker from "Hardware Wars," all whiny and constantly trailing off.

 

LEIA: Your friend is quite a mercenary. I wonder if he cares about anything, or anyone.

LUKE: Yeah he's kind of a jerk and I don't really know him and he's not very nice... (trails off)

 

 

BEN's VOICE: Use the Force Luke.

LUKE: The Force? Oh I don't know, maybe I should uh... think more about this um... The Force huh? Oooooh.

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#373401
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Worst Edit Ideas
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Actually, "Star Wars: Redubbed" might be a WHOLE LOT of FUN. Like that one Woody Alen film whose name eludes me, or "Kung Pow." But to keep it centered, I'd keep a few characters (probably Obi, Aunt Beru, and Leia) as their normal voices, just for contrast. Couple that with Cockney Artoo and subtitled Chewie, this could be extremely silly.

And also, every time a lightsiber ignites, there should be a power chord and a high pitched heavy-metal scream (I'm thinking ManOWar!)

 

 

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#373400
Topic
STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Tobar said:

Almost time to celebrate a noteworthy event.

 

The last paragraph gave me nostalgia for the years where there was a mystique to being a sci-fi geek. The world of fanzines, and mail-order catalogues, the backrooms of comic-book stores, and of slipping "Dr. Who" refrences into conversation to see if any new people you met noticed, and were therefore in the cliub. That one shelf of RPG books and "Starlog" magazines at the back of the model-shop. Those were the days.

Now Comic-Con is covered by every media outlet in the world, every movie trailer is on every website, where they're analyzed frame by frame, and all the channels serve out a steady stream of sci-fi stuff.

Is there probably the same ammount of really good sci-fi getting made as in the past? I think so, probably one or two good things a year. Is there still a lot of crap? Yes, but even I admit the crap has gotten glitzier (Transformers 2 vs. Arena) and even movies that normally wouldn't be are wrapped in a shiny sci-fi package (GI Joe).

I just mourn the loss of something neat, and I admit, exclusive, about the fandom of the past.

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#373397
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Super Star Wars games and &quot;Who shot first?&quot; poll on Wii
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C3PX said:

I spent so many hours in both of those games on the NES, and I am not sure if I ever beat either one. I ought to grab the roms from somewhere, load them on my DS, and tackle them with save states. I actually have a much closer connection with NES Star Wars games than the Super Star Wars games, though how well done the Super trilogy was cannot be ignored. The soundtrack alone made them worth playing.

 

 How about ROTJ and ESB on the Atari?

Those games were great, flyin' around, shooting ATATs, or watching the Death Star slowly get built. All in two color pixelated goodness. Good times

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#373395
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Super Star Wars games and &quot;Who shot first?&quot; poll on Wii
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THis thread is giving me flashbacks. It took me and my brother FOREVER to beat SSW and SESB, and to this day I've never managed to get the Falcon out of the Death Star in SROTJ. Really, looking back, I dont think I liked those games very much (or at all)... it's just that they're "STAR WARS" and consequently, my young self couldn't accept that I didn't enjoy them.
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#373286
Topic
How would you have done ROTJ?
Time

My brother and I just had a four hour car ride, and this topic came up. Basically we dished on it for the entire trip.

Here are our conclusions.

ROTJ, like the prequals, although far less egregious, suffered from a flawed execution, and not (in our opinion) fundamentally bad ideas.

Changes we would see:

JABBAS PALACE-
It is Leia, not Luke, who organizes the rescue. In fact, dialogue dictates that a while back Luke sent R2 to Leia, and no one has seen Luke in a while.
Leia's plan needs R2 in the Palace to help her deactivate the carbonite. Lando has already snuck in, 3PO and R2 hand themselves over, and Leia comes in disguise. Just like in the film she and Han (and R2) get caught.

Then Luke shows up, all mysterious. My brother and I both thought some kind of visual to cue that Luke had changed was in order. We had four ideas.

-Long hair. Akin to Anakin in ROTS.
-Short hair, like Anakin had in AOTC, minus the rattail.
-An Obi-Wan-esque cropped beard.
-Make up to show the scarring he recieved at Vader's hands healed poorly.

This change shows he's different, and hopefully makes the audience a little more likely to suspect he'll fall to the Dark Side. Also, when he flips his hood back "You will bring captain Solo and the Wookie to me" its kind of a shock.

From here on in the Jabba sequence runs more or less like in the movie with two changes.

During the skiff battle Chewie should toss some dude like a football into the Sarlac. Seriously, Chewie never gets to cut loose.

Han get's his site back a little faster, which leads to a confrontation with Boba. Boba wraps Luke in the rope, then Han yells at him and the two have an old-West shootout moment. Boba is faster, but Han ducks and falls, spinning and shooting at Boba. He misses, but it richochets, igniting Fett's jetpack and sending him to his doom. It keeps the moment similar, while giving Han a Hero Moment and killing Fett slightly more satisfactorilly.

After the Barge goes boom, the lost Sandstorm scene is inserted. It provides another set, making the film feel bigger, and gives Han and Lando a moment to acknowledge Han's forgiving him.

Luke returns to Dagobah, where it seems he's been for some time, training. He rushes back because Yoda is ill. THe scene plays the same, but when Luke asks if Vader is his father, Yoda says "Ah, the question you've never asked." implying the issue had been an elephant in the hut for some time. This way we have a reason for why Luke is suddenly so badass, he's been with Yoda all this time.

At the Rebel Briefing, it's a much more diverse crowd. The Prune-faces are featured more, as well as a more ethnically and genderwise diverse human crowd. A whole contingent of guys in differnet uniforms (something vaguely Napoleonic to stand out) are sitting together, to give the impression of diverse forces joining together for this one big rush. And Lando's copilot should be there.

Lando is only a commander... just to make it funny that Han outranks him.

Another contingent of people greet Leia. They are the surviving Alderaanians, converting their merchant vessels to warcraft for thsi attack. The leader tries to convince Leia to stay away from the battle, because 'she's all they have left.' Leia says that if they lose, none of them will have anything left. (A nice moment for Leia to show some leadership).

Otherwise the film would be mostly the same until we meet the Ewoks.

Ewoks need to be much more intense. Not scary, but not cuddly (cute is ok). They have bone-totems on their belts, and claws, and mud caked in their fur. The Ewoks have been apparently waging a guerrilla war against the Imperials the whole time. Moff Jerjerod keeps denying that there is any problem with 'the natives,' clearly indicating that there is a problem. When the gang is captured by the Ewoks, empty stormtrooper armor is piled next to the cooking fire.

When 3PO tells his story, the Ewoks pass around a horn bubbling with a noxious drink, and all the heroes drink it as an initiation (just to imply the Ewoks have some kind of culture of their own).

I wouldn't change a damn thing about the Emperor or any of the scenes of him, Vader and Luke. (except that he really needs a nicer shuttle). I think they're perfect.

ENDOR BATTLE:
No Ewok steals the speederbike. Let Chewie do it. He deserves some more action.
More Ewoks die. Not a bloodbath, but we should see some get shot. We should also see some stab Stormtroopers with spears and poison blowdarts.
Have the Force Field projector be on top of a mountain, and the bunker at the base... just to make the geography more clear.
The shuttle the heroes came in had a small force of maybe 40-50 people shoved in the back like a Normandy lander. Let them (including the Prune-faces) get some action.
Leia gets blasted in the shoulder and it WOUNDS HER badly. This is WAR dammit.
Mainly the battle should feel bigger.

SPACE BATTLE:
More ships. More types of ships. The Rebellion might have some repainted ships. Ships should crash together.
THere should be at least one Hero Shot of the Falcon flying with all guns blazing, blasting TIE fighters. Footage was shot of soldiers in the Falcon's guns firing away. That should be used.
Footage was also shot of Madine's death, as well as a female XWing pilot. These should go back in.
The guys in Napoleonic jackets can bite the dust heroically, as can some of the Alderanians. This is WAR dammit.
When Lando is escaping the Death Star, the firebursts out... and we hold our breath as a few seconds later the Falcon doesn't fly out, it tumbles out, totally scorched and barely holding together.

ENDING
Lando and Han reunite, and Han sees how totally damaged the Falcon is, black and scorched. This could be a fun moment.
Leia (arm in a sling) greets the surviving Alderanians and they kneel. A hopeful moment for the future.
Yub Yub is playing. Screw it, I love that song.
The Ewok Cheif, a translator, and a Rebel commander are talking. They're a proud people Ewoks, not all dancing teddy bears.
Luke comes back. Everyone is happy. Luke looks over and sees ObiWan, Yoda, and Sebastian Shaw.

The camera pans up above the happy people, XWings drop fireworks in the sky, camera pans up to the stars, where, as the music crescendos, the AUDIENCE POV ITSELF is pulled into hyperspace as the credits roll. People cheer.

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#373255
Topic
Interesting article on Summer films
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Trooperman said:

The other option I see would be a blockbuster that completely shatters the current trend and is so popular (like Star Wars in 1977), that is so popular that it causes a shift towards that type of filmmaking in all the studios.  But it would have to be big.  

 

 Like "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" or "Mama Mia?"

Those both made more money than God. And yet Transformers 2 was still made.

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#373130
Topic
The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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This may have been mentioned before, but I watched AOTC and ROTS the other day, and it occured to me how easy it would be to do this.

Eliminate 'Darth" as a title. I think "Darth Maul" is only named once, and Dooku is only called "Lord Tyrannus" in AOTC and "Darth Tyrranus" only once in ROTS. Yoda calls Palpy "Darth Sidious" but I think he's "Lord Sidious" in all lines of dialogue in TPM and AOTC. Just tweaking those lines of dialogue, or just cutting the line should be relatively easy.

Frankly I don't like 'Darth' as a title because it doesn't seem to be used that way in the OT, and it instantly lead to 5,000 'Darths' in the EU, most with simply awful names, as the writers picked up a thesaurus and looked up random words with nasty connotations.

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#373100
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Worst Edit Ideas
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doubleofive said:
TheBoost said:

How about we go through and take out Artoo's beeping, and put in dialogue... to make the film easier to follow? I think he should have a cockney accent.

I was seriously thinking about subtitling R2 and Chewie.  I think it would be fun to try to figure out what everyone else is responding to.  Not in a serious way of course, but a fun side edit for someone.

 

 We could dub Chewie, and he should talk like The Fonz.

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#373073
Topic
The Phantom Menace -Theatrical Version - NTSC DVD- ADYWAN - NOW AVAILABLE
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Dammit Adywan.

I have such a nice organized DVD shelf. I have the GOUT and the SE for all the OT (except Star Wars, where I have ANH:R). I have the normal DVD and a fan-edit of each PT film, and they're all in nice, double DVD cases. It looks very clean.

Now I need to find a triple DVD case to hold this excellent piece of work (Isolated scores kick ass!). Where the hell can I find one of those!?!  Thanks for another fine edit, and for ruining my DVD shelf.

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#373071
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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corellian77 said:
adywan said:

I think i need to step in before it gets out of control.

I hope you understand :)

 

 

  I certainly didn't mean to seem as if I'm unhappy with ANH:R -- quite the opposite: I love it.

I think most of us agree with you Corellian77, but we're also all just dying for stuff to talk about.