TheBoost

Bingowings said:

There is some of that already with the Naboo celebration being the Emperor's theme up tempo and sung by children and Anakin's theme clearly being a variation on Vader's.

I wish they could have built on that.

The Imperial March should not have appeared until the end of ROTS and Anakin's theme should have slowly clawed towards it as he fell deeper into the dark side (not that he is much in the light side in the PT we saw).

I would have liked to hear the Imperial motif from ANH as the clonetrooper's theme too and maybe a bit more of the droids motif from ESB (but I'd have liked to have heard that in ROTJ too).

 

 True, but those are building on themes we already knew ('reverse foreshadowing'). I mean that they could have put in refrences to themes that we hadn't heard yet.

This would have required Williams to have written those theme before the films were made (and Lucas to have known what the future plot points would have been), which is unlikely and difficult, but making a saga like the PT afforded a rare oppurtunity.

Listening to the PT score in my car this morning I had a thought. The Score does some 'reverse foreshadowing,' using themes from the OT during the PT in order to bridge moments and add some resonance emotionally.

I don't know if they didn't think of it, or Williams didn't want to or not, but wouldn't it have been neat if some of the leitmotifs from AOTC and ROTS appeared in early forms in the earlier prequels.

Padme meets Anikin, we hear a few notes of what will later be the AOTC love theme.

Anakin complains about Obi in AOTC, we hear a few soft notes of the ROTS "Battle of the Heroes" theme.

In all likelihood those themes weren't even remotely developed when the earlier prequels were in production, but it might have been kinda cool. If I ever do a PT edit, I might do just that.

DF Shadow said:

 

I like the idea of moving the Yoda death to the opening of the movie (even if it spoils the palace reveal, we can't have everything).......and then how about placing the Ben scene sometime on Endor before Luke speaks with Leia?

 

 I think I've had a change of heart on this point. If the hologram of Luke is kept, the Palace Bad Ass Reveal isn't a reveal of LUKE so much as it's a reveal of LUKE IN ACTION, so it wouldn't be compromised by having Yoda bite the big one at the start of the film.

I myself wouldn't restructure it that way, but I don't see Yoda/Luke placed before Tatooine as taking any steam out of Luke on Tatooine.

SilverWook said:

Greedo wasn't a bounty hunter. He was just a clumsy henchman, with incredible eyesight problems added in the special edition. ;)

 Greedo went to kill Solo to collect on the bounty. That makes him a bounty hunter in my book. It's not a question of cool armor or mystique, it's all in the hunting for bounties.

xhonzi said:

RE: Circus performers.

I'm just curious what other assumptions would lead you to think that they might be lost circus performers.  Did Vader order a clown and some jugglers to lighten the mood after he choked their previous Admiral to death?  A highwire act to improve morale?

 I just had this image of the guys in "The Princess Bride" claiming to Princess Buttercup that they were 'poor lost circus performers' just before they kidnapped her... albeit to kill her, so they aren't bounty hunters either.

xhonzi said:

And a minor technicality, Boost... but you don't consider the other Bounty Hunters on the Executor to be real Bounty Hunters?  I understand Zuckuss and 4-Lom were there by case of a mistaken identity, and that IG-88 wishes he was out on the court dunking...  Dengar is mostly worthless, but Bossk, man... he's for real.  He's got quippy one-liners, a white tuxedo jacket, a mean left hook and everything!

 I guess I forgot them. Let's take Piett's word that they're bounty hunters, but for all we see of them  (sans EU) they might be lost circus performers or a real ugly maintanence crew.

Thinking about bounty hunters in the Star Wars world. Guys who hunt peope for bounties placed by some kind of governing body (Hutts serving as a de facto government on Tatooine in some regard, according to TPM)

Theres:

Greedo in "Star Wars."
Boba Fett in "ESB."

As near as I can tell, that's it.

Boba in ROTJ is a retainer/bodyguard/goon of some sort, no longer hunting bounties.

The "bounty hunter" Jango Fett arranges political assassinations by sending another "bounty hunter" (although she's actually working as an assassin).

I've heard Durge from the Clone Wars flash-cartoon called a bounty hunter, but he appears to serve as a mere battlefield soldier.

Cad Bane in the new cartoon is called a bounty hunter, but he's apparently a terrorist for hire.

None of these guys are doing anything remotely like hunting people for bounties.

Is the predominance of 'bounty hunter' as a term because 'terrorist' 'soldier' or 'assassin' are too scary? I honestly don't know.

Ripplin said:

Bingowings said:

I think it would be better if he just did the same trick Ben did (point at them and they pretend he isn't there).

Agreed. Choking them was just stupid and unnecessary. I've felt that for a long time. Why did they do it, anyway? To make Luke's new darker dressing character more ambiguous or something?

 I never had any issue with it. They tried to block him, he said "step back sucka" with the Force and went about his business. It's notable that he doesn't kill them with it.

"Force Choke" as a "Dark Side Power" is something arbitrary they made up in the RPGs and Video Games. Luke is the man, since he does it it's probably OK to do.

Rhikter said:

Bingowings said:

Also, do you think it would work to put the Luke on Dagobah scenes at the beginning of the movie.  It would make the whole Luke a master Jedi thing more believable.

I must respectfully disagree.

Come RotJ, the last time we saw Luke, he was licking his wounds, so to speak, on the medical frigate at the end of ESB.  By starving the audience of Luke's appearance for so long in the begging of the movie and teasing them with dialogue about him spoken by other characters, you build anticipation.  People will be wondering, "Oh, man where's Luke?  I wanna see Luke?  Why isn't Luke here?" It makes the sudden appearance of this wiser, stronger, more mature Luke Skywalker/Jedi Knight - who is nothing like the beaten and bruised teen from the end of ESB - all the more powerful.

 I agree. His entrance is mythic.

Ziz said:

 

Not Star Wars, but...

http://fanedit.org/385/

Scroll down to review number 30.

 You can't trust that... because I am the director of "The Crow: City of Angels"

xhonzi said:

U did it again!  Please!  Every1!  for the sake of C3PX, will u all stop using 'U' as a replacement for 'you', and 'ur' as a replacement for "your" and "you're"?!?!?

 

Thank u.

 Wut R you rantin abut? I dnt c NEthing.

mrbenja0618 said:

TheBoost said:

 But if that's the case, why was Vader apparently surprised when Obi vanished in "Star Wars"?

Because that's the first time he's personally seen it. Think about it. Who vanished before his eyes?

 But dont you suppose that if it was a common occurance, in Annikin;s 13+ years as a Jedi, he would have heard or learned that Jedi vanish when they die.

xhonzi said:

Gaffer Tape said:

But then the prequels came along and gave both Yoda and Palpatine lightsabers, so... yeah.... 

 Some of you are aware of my continued quest to shield my kids from the Prequels.  So it probably doesn't surprise you that we have a Galactic Heroes Yoda floating around the house that has had its lightsabre dremel'd off.

 That shows dedication. I've been thinking of letting my kid watch the OT and the Clone Wars cartoon, as that show seems to keep more in line with how

Maybe later in life he'll want to watch the PT, and I'll watch it with him if he'd like, but like drinking voting and religion, it's somethign that shouldn't be forced onto a developing mind.

mrbenja0618 said:

My reasoning for vanishing is that they are prepared for death.... Qui-Gon wasn't prepared... Didn't see his death coming..... Obi wan did... Let Vader take him out..... Yoda did.... He vanished..... Vader didn't....and that's complicated but not so much. You can easily say that he only intended to save his son, and didn't think he would wind up dying himself.

 But if that's the case, why was Vader apparently surprised when Obi vanished in "Star Wars"?

Vaderisnothayden said:

 

 

What's your proof that I'd be saying the same thing about any other actor who took the Anakin role? You have no proof of that. Whatsoever. The situation with Hayden is not merely the situation of an actor other than Shaw taking the role. It's a situation in which an especially inappropriate actor was given the role. There are many actors I would have been happier with. So no I wouldn't necessarily have been complaining. You'd do well not to make careless statements about me that are not based on any proof.

 

 But the part was still written and directed to be a whiny teenager in AOTC, and then a moody young man prone to crying in ROTS. Do you suppose any actor could have pulled that off in a way you would call "Vader-worthy?" Is it even possible, in ur opion?

Gaffer Tape said:

And, finally, as for Tarkin and Vader, that's simply explained.  In the context of the first movie, the Sith were a warrior tribe who allied themselves with the Empire.  The Empire itself was not ruled by a Sith.  The Emperor was a politician, and Vader, a Sith, was working for the Empire.  The Empire obviously respected (to a certain degree) the powers of the Sith, but, again, Vader was considered a "dragon."  The true Empire was built on military strength, not the force.  Obviously that gets a bit more difficult to swallow when the Emperor is retconned to be a Sith.

 Good points, but you could only know any of that if you read the Annotated Screenplays.

In the context of what's actually on the screen, I always assumed a much simpler explanation.

In Star Wars, Tarkin was the boss, Vader was some kind of an enforcer, apparently specifically tasked with getting the rebellion. After Tarkin went boom, Vader got promoted (hence his awesome new ship and no one to tell him to stop with all the choking).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YAzkR-VZ6g

This is to a youtube video of pro wrestler Curt Henning's entrance song. The song is a pretty blatant mash-up/rip-off/homage of Queen's "We Are the Champions" and "We Will Rock You." Blatant copies of songs are pretty common in pro wrestling themes.

What's driving me nuts is the opening musical bit, the first few seconds of melody. I'm POSITIVE it is also a rip off of something, maybe ever of a classiscal piece, but can't place it. Can anyone recognize the tune?

doubleofive said:

Did someone just seriously suggest that I do a commentary? I'm flattered, but I don't know any more than anyone else, I just compiled it all together.

 Peter Bogdovich's commentary's on some of Orson Welles's films (becasue Welles is apparently too lazy to record his own DVD commentaries... jerk!) are some of the more interesting things out there to listen too if your a film buff.

I mean, in the young artform/hobby of fanediting, your compilations makes you one of the foremost scholars in an emerging field :)

doubleofive said:

DF Shadow said:


Probably a silly question but - is there anything that can be used/salvaged from the ewoks movies (which I haven't seen in ages) and incorporated into ROTJ somehow to enhance things in some ways?

I got the DVDs from my mom the other day. I can't bring myself to watch them, however, but it has been brought up in the past. They are both on one flipside single layer DVD, so I can't imagine the quality would be too useful.

 Didn't Adywan use a few elements from a fanfilm in his battle of Yavin? I'm sure something useful could be done with all these new elements.

Actually, I just got a new copy of this DVD, and will try to make some mockups soon.

The wrestling comedy "Body Slam" starring Dirk Benedict.

It never got a DVD release, and it's gold I tel you. GOLD!

Bingowings said:

I still like my idea of when the Falcon bumps the walls it gets really badly damaged and loses not just the dish but the top quad laser and much of the upper hull too.

By the time they destroy the reactor the fire is near the cockpit door.

I LOVE this idea. I'm against Lando and Neibnub dying, but I'd love to see the Falcon beat to shit, scorched and wrecked and barely flyable when they explode out of the Death Star.

oh_riginal said:

Bingowings said:

EyeShotFirst said:

vaderios said:

 

 

-Angel

 

But the red iron stuff seems to be more like the construction of gun towers and such. I would imagine that yes, there may be some of that stuff used in the construction of the laser, but if the laser is completed enough to the point of being operational, it would need to have its interior be strong and durable... and in this case, only missing panels, nothing more.

 I agree. I totally did Angerio's mockup, but I think adding the red girders might make the whole thing look ramshackle, not just unfinished.

I'm sure someone has said this before, but I didn't see it on my readings.

Can we take the gunner in the Star Destroyer from "Star Wars" who doesnt shoot the droids ("It doesn't have any life signs") and put him in the Battle of Endor shooting up some X-Wings or something?

Caught this flick last night. Need to add my two cents. For whatever reason, Coppola decided to make this as anti-Victorian as possible.

Van Helsing lecturs of syphilis, Seward does morphine and basically tortures his patients. I'm surprised Quincy didn't ever say "I sure wish we hadn't freed the slaves so I could beat them." Lucy is a sex fiend and Mina is a modern woman straining against societal bonds. The first thing they show at the olde Victorian theater is porn. Dracula is the good guy and the way of life the heroes are defending is crap on a stick.

I could overlook the ridiculous costumes, terribly overdone special effects, and even the love-story (to a degree) if it wasn't for the directors overwhelimg desire to flip the meaning of the book a complete 180 degrees.

It's like if they redid Star Wars, and not only tried to make Vader sympathetic, but also showed that the rebels were a bunch of asses and Vader was actually morally in the right the whole time... (didn't they actually do that with Thrawn?)

cap said:

2) The Death Star spends 30 minutes orbiting the planet to get a shot at the moon.  Wouldn’t it be a lot faster to just blast the planet? 

 I don't know of any EU or scientific explanation offered before, but it seems to me there is overwhelming evidence that the Death Star can't just blow up Yavin.

The fact they don't is the evidence, and it seems perfectly satisfying to me. Who needs more? Would "Star Wars" have been a better film somehow with the following exchange?

GOON: Sir, Rebel base is 30 minutes away.

TARKIN: Rubbish. Just blow up the planet that we're going around.

GOON: No can do Moffy. It's a gas giant, and too big, and the resultant shockwave would damage the Death Star, and it lacks a solid core to aim the laser at, and a variety of other technobabble. Really, it's all kind of self-evident.

TARKIN: Oh very well. I'll be in the canteen.