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#1502782
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised - concept trailers released (WIP)
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NotTheDri0ds said:

Intercutting between the escape from Naboo and Podrace is an interesting concept, definitely looking forward to seeing how it plays out in the full film. Sorta reminds me of how ANH was scripted and initially edited.

That was kind of my idea was to use Anh as a template in how they fixed it in the editing and changed when Luke was introduced. In my case, im introducing Ani earlier. This helps establish him as a good pilot before meeting padame and flirting with her. It takes the slow mid section and divides in between the attack and escape of Naboo, allowing those sections more time to breath. It cuts away from ani, allowing for a lil suspense to build as we come back to him. Then, by time Ani meets Padame and Quigon, they are off the planet not too long after. This should help drive the narrative more along with cutting it down more to the length of ANH. The Attack and Escape of Naboo will be more impactful too with the damage done to the city and such, adding more stakes.

I didn’t want to run the whole podrace through cause it just lags too much with nothing to cut away to. Ive seen it introduced into the beginning of the movie, and this works alright, but with out cutting the race up, I just feel it lags to much and affects the overall pacing of the movie.

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#1502756
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised - concept trailers released (WIP)
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xqpapI6YmlfkHYxOXf3x5GtRv39ukkCV/view?usp=sharing

Been a little busy lately, but this is a look at some of the work I’ve been doing. This shows some of the pacing difference too, as Anakin’s Pod Race happens before he meets Padame. The Podrace has also been cut and reshuffled some to emphasize the take off from the line. The podrace plays out against the escape of the Queen from Naboo, cutting back and forth between the two. It takes a lot of time tho to go through scene by scene and do the HDR and color grading. The attack on Naboo isn’t shown here since I have to redo those vfx. There is also no scene wipe transition from the Podrace to the Attack on Naboo, yet.

This is just me playing around with the pacing edits, Hdr, and color grade. No vfx (R2 is visible in once scene still during the race where he either needs to be erased, or his color changed so he’s a different droid.) The video has a grain over it too.

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#1496446
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Making the Obi-Wan & Anakin training session (From the Kenobi series) work in an AOTC edit.
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Octorox said:

EddieDean said:

Is there maybe a viable order where the elevator scene comes before the training, which comes before the meeting with Padmé? So in the elevator they’re talking about the forthcoming meeting, but they have training first?

That way it could almost play out that Obi-Wan has deliberately scheduled some training to get Anakin out of awkward teenager mode and clear his head.

This might not work, I’m just spitballing!

You’d have to create a new establishing shot wholecloth. There’s also the fact that the training scene starts with Anakin already there and Obi-Wan entering to meet him. I’m not sure you could cut it together in a way that feels coherent.

So why not cut from the meeting when Palpatine suggest Obiwan and Anakin to them dueling. Then switch to the elevator and subsequent scenes?

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#1495891
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised - concept trailers released (WIP)
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CamSMurph said:

Three different versions of this revised trilogy? 😧

Yea. The Purist Cut has minimal changes compared to my full edit, so not too hard to push out that version. The most work will be the Trilogy of my edit. Since im mostly content in a 3-1 edit, doing the full trilogy is the extra work. Which, of the 3, Atoc will be the hardest with the most work probably. Idk though, we shall see.

A lot of the main changes and ideas for TPM and ROTS have been shown in some extent. Though some ideas have been held back. Atoc on the other hand, I havn’t played with much.

As a 3-1 edit, its easy to focus the narrative on Anakin and clip much of Obiwan’s journey or extra stuff. Doing the full movies each is different. (You could also focus it on Obiwan if you wanted instead, to follow into the Obiwan show. Though Ani has the more interesting story imo)

TPM I have ideas for on restructuring the order of events to improve the narrative, on top of new VFX to tell this story. Like the assault on Naboo, or Escape from Naboo. These ideas though don’t really alter the narrative that much though and really just help accentuate what was meant to be. A threat against our heroes. I don’t plan on cutting most of Tpm like most people do. I only plan on cutting it down to the length of ANH and reorder some scenes so you are introduced to Anakin before Quigon and them meet him. The Podrace is kept but moved and the reason Quigon gets Anakin is changed and simplified. This also has an effect on Anakin first meeting Padame and shooting her his line “Im a pilot”. As you have already been introduced to Anakin winning the race, he comes across much smoother in trying to hit on Padame. Much of Anakin’s bad dialogue is fixed or removed so he in general is less annoying and more the cocksure kid he should be.

Atoc on the other hand is a total mess of a movie. Even cutting the length down to something more like Empire Strikes Back, theres still a lot that would need fixing. Of all 3 movies, ATOC has the most cgi, and horrible cgi at that.

I have no experience in Blender, so while I plan on learning some to help with some scenes. I wont oversell myself and say that Ill be redoing all the bad cgi. In TPM, some of the worst scenes can just be cut all together honestly. Atoc has sooooo many, that if you cut them all, you wouldn’t have a movie. (This also effects the extant the Purist Cut can be fixed too. CGI.)

One thing is to fix and improve the narrative between Anakin and Padame in ATOC. Including adding in a sex scene (non graphic, its shown in the trailer briefly.) This is to help show their connection and how far they’ve already gone, leading up to her being pregnant in ROTS seeming more natural as we’ve now actually seen them hooking up.

Dooku will pop up in TPM so his arrival in ATOC will make more sense and connect him across all 3 films. Though its a minor appearance.

Likely, ATOC will be a less action packed story than TPM and ROTS. Accentuating the human connections seems the most important goal in ATOC, to set up the fall in ROTS.

We shall see though. A lot of VFX work to do already, so I have time to tinker.

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#1495769
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised - concept trailers released (WIP)
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Fullmetaled said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

Fullmetaled said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

Fullmetaled said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

ifjg said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

ifjg said:

Wouldn’t restoring midichlorians and the prophecy just be a matter of adding back in a few scenes? Should be super easy with a few minutes in any decent video editing program for anyone who wants to do so and probably not worth asking for a new cut just for those things. FWIW I agree the trilogy works better with those concepts in as the Jedi treating The Force as a scientific field and interpreting the prophecy in a way that’s convenient for them is good for underscoring their arrogance.

Depends on if you can color match what I did. If you just go to the color wheel and move stuff, you’d be wrong. Splicing in the uncorrected scenes would stand out.

Forgot about that. In that case, a version where it’s just SFX and color correction with no story changes sounds like a really good idea.

That’s be the Purist Cut

Is it possible to change dooku’s name pronunciation to dow koo that sounds better.

Wouldn’t that contradict all the EU like Clone Wars? And Idk about that, ive never even played with the voice ai tech so I don’t know what’s possible or not with those things

How is it impossible to fix it in the clone wars as well use the same technique to change the pronunciation it’s not like he’s in every episode or is mentioned in every episode.

I have Zero intent to edit anything other than some of the movies.

That’s ok could you just do it for the trilogy if not i understand.

Not likely. I have 3 planned versions. The Purist Cut trilogy. My cut trilogy. Then my 3 in 1 movie cut that’s meant to be watched in the Machete Cut order (In between Empire and Return as a flash back of sorts that answers Vaders reveal, and gives backstory to Palpatine before going into Return. Where Luke dressed in Black force choking people immediately following Revenge, gives more context for Lukes precarious position in the force at that point. Till the final moment of Palpatine shocking Luke when Luke sticks to being a Jedi. Which, after just watching Revenge, mirrors Anakin’s moment where he instead, sides with Palpatine and kills Mace. This time, Vader makes the right choice following his son.)

The Purist Cut and doing a full trilogy of my edit even, was as far as I planned on going to please the masses. I honestly am content with a 3 in 1 cut. I don’t want to turn into George Lucas and be tinkering with these indefinitely

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#1495590
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised - concept trailers released (WIP)
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Fullmetaled said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

Fullmetaled said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

ifjg said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

ifjg said:

Wouldn’t restoring midichlorians and the prophecy just be a matter of adding back in a few scenes? Should be super easy with a few minutes in any decent video editing program for anyone who wants to do so and probably not worth asking for a new cut just for those things. FWIW I agree the trilogy works better with those concepts in as the Jedi treating The Force as a scientific field and interpreting the prophecy in a way that’s convenient for them is good for underscoring their arrogance.

Depends on if you can color match what I did. If you just go to the color wheel and move stuff, you’d be wrong. Splicing in the uncorrected scenes would stand out.

Forgot about that. In that case, a version where it’s just SFX and color correction with no story changes sounds like a really good idea.

That’s be the Purist Cut

Is it possible to change dooku’s name pronunciation to dow koo that sounds better.

Wouldn’t that contradict all the EU like Clone Wars? And Idk about that, ive never even played with the voice ai tech so I don’t know what’s possible or not with those things

How is it impossible to fix it in the clone wars as well use the same technique to change the pronunciation it’s not like he’s in every episode or is mentioned in every episode.

I have Zero intent to edit anything other than some of the movies.

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#1495444
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised - concept trailers released (WIP)
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Fullmetaled said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

ifjg said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

ifjg said:

Wouldn’t restoring midichlorians and the prophecy just be a matter of adding back in a few scenes? Should be super easy with a few minutes in any decent video editing program for anyone who wants to do so and probably not worth asking for a new cut just for those things. FWIW I agree the trilogy works better with those concepts in as the Jedi treating The Force as a scientific field and interpreting the prophecy in a way that’s convenient for them is good for underscoring their arrogance.

Depends on if you can color match what I did. If you just go to the color wheel and move stuff, you’d be wrong. Splicing in the uncorrected scenes would stand out.

Forgot about that. In that case, a version where it’s just SFX and color correction with no story changes sounds like a really good idea.

That’s be the Purist Cut

Is it possible to change dooku’s name pronunciation to dow koo that sounds better.

Wouldn’t that contradict all the EU like Clone Wars? And Idk about that, ive never even played with the voice ai tech so I don’t know what’s possible or not with those things

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#1495220
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised - concept trailers released (WIP)
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ifjg said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

ifjg said:

Wouldn’t restoring midichlorians and the prophecy just be a matter of adding back in a few scenes? Should be super easy with a few minutes in any decent video editing program for anyone who wants to do so and probably not worth asking for a new cut just for those things. FWIW I agree the trilogy works better with those concepts in as the Jedi treating The Force as a scientific field and interpreting the prophecy in a way that’s convenient for them is good for underscoring their arrogance.

Depends on if you can color match what I did. If you just go to the color wheel and move stuff, you’d be wrong. Splicing in the uncorrected scenes would stand out.

Forgot about that. In that case, a version where it’s just SFX and color correction with no story changes sounds like a really good idea.

That’s be the Purist Cut

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#1495186
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised - concept trailers released (WIP)
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Fullmetaled said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

Fullmetaled said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LlTQN4GUDOdJ8NHV7adgRRhphxFjALYB/view?usp=sharing

A quick comparison of the Intro between the Original and the Color Corrected HDR. These aren’t final, still just playing around and seeing what works best.

Looks great. I just thought of one thing that sticks out with cgi yoda in the phantom menace. he’s unhappy in scenes he normally wasn’t as the bad puppet is it possible to fix those scenes?

Is there a reason Yoda should be happy?

I think the scene me and some other people are referring to is the final scenes of the movie the Victory celebration parade specifically.

Oh ok, Ill look into that and see what can be done.

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#1495047
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised - concept trailers released (WIP)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDP3j_4icBo

Here is an example of doing a filtered look. So basically, reverse the process. You want to remove filters, so use the Temp and Tint to remove color, rather than add it in. Its the same color theory, the results just vary cause you’re not pumping the color into the blacks and degrading your image. So if its got a teal look, then you want to remove blue and Green by pumping in Yellow and Pink. Or if its pink already like TPM originally was graded, then you would pump back in green. Etc. Your blacks you want black, and your whites you want white. Everything between is the “magic”.

Note- This video does not cover the HDR settings and is not a full representation of what I’ve done, just merely one side of it. The HDR stuff is easy to find videos on though too. Any minor adjustments to color I may have needed, I added in through 1 of the 6 layers the HDR settings let you control.

These color dials are much more responsive than the Tint and Temp, so you have less control in some ways.

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#1495044
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised - concept trailers released (WIP)
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Fullmetaled said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LlTQN4GUDOdJ8NHV7adgRRhphxFjALYB/view?usp=sharing

A quick comparison of the Intro between the Original and the Color Corrected HDR. These aren’t final, still just playing around and seeing what works best.

Looks great. I just thought of one thing that sticks out with cgi yoda in the phantom menace. he’s unhappy in scenes he normally wasn’t as the bad puppet is it possible to fix those scenes?

Is there a reason Yoda should be happy?

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#1495043
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised - concept trailers released (WIP)
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ifjg said:

Wouldn’t restoring midichlorians and the prophecy just be a matter of adding back in a few scenes? Should be super easy with a few minutes in any decent video editing program for anyone who wants to do so and probably not worth asking for a new cut just for those things. FWIW I agree the trilogy works better with those concepts in as the Jedi treating The Force as a scientific field and interpreting the prophecy in a way that’s convenient for them is good for underscoring their arrogance.

Depends on if you can color match what I did. If you just go to the color wheel and move stuff, you’d be wrong. Splicing in the uncorrected scenes would stand out.

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#1494890
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised - concept trailers released (WIP)
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Fullmetaled said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

Fullmetaled said:

I don’t care what anyone says I don’t hate midiclorians and as corny as the chosen one part of the story is I don’t mind it.

I don’t hate them either, but I do feel like it works better with out them.

I know this might be asking too much but can you do a cut with them still in the film? you see I love the clone wars series and want your cut to line up with that plus I don’t hate them being part of the story I hate the rest of the issues with the films that’s it.

They will be in the Purist Cut probably

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#1494886
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised - concept trailers released (WIP)
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Darth Malgus said:

I just watched the trailer of your revised Trilogy. I think it’s a really good idea, I like the way you improved the special effects. Don’t get me wrong, the original special effects were great for the time the Prequel Trilogy was made, but now they may have aged a bit, so I like the fact that you decided to fix the special effects and the CGI.

However, after reading the changes you have decided to make to the plot of the Trilogy as a whole, I can only disagree, and I honestly don’t think I’m the only one. Of course, I don’t want to try to convince you to modify the changes you made to the plot of the films, because everyone is free to have their own opinion and to have their own idea of what the Prequel Trilogy should be. However, I wanted to ask you if you ever thought about doing a version of this revisited Trilogy in which only the special effects are modernized, but without changing the plot or adding new scenes, to allow also the people who like the Prequel Trilogy as it is to be able to enjoy your modified and renewed special effects. Something like the Special Editions of the Original Trilogy.

There will be a purist cut of the Trilogy akin to the Special Editions that will have minimum changes

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#1494683
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised - concept trailers released (WIP)
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CMMAP said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:
Crude lighting test. Testing out various methods for getting the light from the sabers to light up the person more than just recoloring them. I want the light from the sabers to look like they are really lighting things around them up.

Im also toying around with the idea of making this whole scene darker with the red emergency lights flashing (So on Obiwan in this pic, it would light his face up from the Left and the saber from the right.) The lights would be flashing though and the room would mostly be pretty dark.

One. This makes the saber fight here look much cooler, and gives a dark “Hallway” fight like Vader and Luke, but slightly dif.

Two. A couple deadly Jedi just broke lose of your plan to kill them. Ship is going into emergency lock down mode.

Three. It looks more realistic and more like the Sequel trilogy.

The way you planning and executing the lightning fits nicely. Keep it up this way 😃

(Yes at some point this will be done to the original trilogy. Ill probably just use Adywan’s version to do the small changes I want. Mostly just to complement his already done work and blend it with sequels and prequels)

That would be an absolute dream😍

I think its going to look much better than it was looking but will take a bit of playing around to get it all right

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#1490751
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Obi-Wan Kenobi Redux Ideas Thread
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I would recommend some clever editing and maybe a lil Vfx work to take the climax battle between Obi and Vader, and end it with the scene of Vader lifting Obiwan into the air and dragging him through fire.

That way, Obiwan doesn’t win the epic fight between them.

Maybe just snip the scene of Obiwan slicing open his mask. Keep the dialogue but use scenes of Vader with his mask intact and only having breathing problems. Before Vader ultimately drags him through fire after lifting him in the air

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#1490742
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised - concept trailers released (WIP)
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Crude lighting test. Testing out various methods for getting the light from the sabers to light up the person more than just recoloring them. I want the light from the sabers to look like they are really lighting things around them up.

Im also toying around with the idea of making this whole scene darker with the red emergency lights flashing (So on Obiwan in this pic, it would light his face up from the Left and the saber from the right.) The lights would be flashing though and the room would mostly be pretty dark.

One. This makes the saber fight here look much cooler, and gives a dark “Hallway” fight like Vader and Luke, but slightly dif.

Two. A couple deadly Jedi just broke lose of your plan to kill them. Ship is going into emergency lock down mode.

Three. It looks more realistic and more like the Sequel trilogy.

(Yes at some point this will be done to the original trilogy. Ill probably just use Adywan’s version to do the small changes I want. Mostly just to complement his already done work and blend it with sequels and prequels)

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#1490655
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised - concept trailers released (WIP)
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CourtlyHades296 said:

One idea I mentioned on the Radical Redux thread was having Dooku and Sidious meet on Exegol at the end of Attack of the Clones. This ties it into the ST.

Not really the most concerned with the Sequel Trilogy. As Ive stated before, for me, the story ends with Luke. I like the Mandalorian cause it didn’t conflict with any of this and allowed us to see Luke get his first Padawan. As far as more Skywalkers, Palpatines or the like, meh.

This would be like trying to retcon every plothole the MCU keeps introducing the more they “expand” the world and overall story.

Sometimes, you just have to close the book on a story and let it end. Or you end up with an unfinished story like A Song of Ice and Fire.

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#1490503
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised - concept trailers released (WIP)
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CMMAP said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

CMMAP said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tKsIV4xjGf63wbkbkHTKDHLNUZMBi7sQ/view?usp=sharing

A look at Quigon and Obiwan meeting Jarjar. First the original, then the Revised, then a quick couple examples done as wipes from original to Revised to see a quick comparison.

This just looks great. The detail brought to light and hidden by the original color grading is astonishing.

The grading is all over the place through out the movie. Here I tried to bring out the yellow from the sun on the leaves in the highlights while also getting rid of the teal, but in the shadows i pushed the greens and blues slightly. The Field battle at the end Is going to be the biggest pain. Ive already tried a few scenes through out the movie and those during the climax need the most work. Ive got some promising results, but I think some vfx is still going to be needed. Like masking out sections of the background to add atmospheric haze. Specially with all that smoke after the battle’s been raging.

You do color correction on shadows? Damn, this is the extra mileage. I usually do WB—>CC to my liking in the highlights sometimes the mids and leaving shadows balanced on all colors —> contrast adjustment.

Here and there. In the forest, the yellows are coming from the sunlight, so the shaded areas should be opposite in the blues a lil.

With HDR they give you the Blacks, Darks, Shadows, Light, Highlight, and Specular.

So to get the best quality for some you may need to adjust each individually, including the color and saturation to those parts. I pulled the saturation and vibrancy to the colors on the main section, but then under the individual “Light” and “Highlight” I boosted them back up a lil so the lit areas had more color than the unlit areas. To help give depth.