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#1309213
Topic
OT Edits to Fit the PT (A Resource Thread, Hopefully)
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Hal 9000 said:

DominicCobb said:

  • The infamous “other.” Suggested edit: “No, there is the other.”

Now that’s an interesting idea. Still doesn’t make a great deal of sense. One imagines Ben and Yoda’s conversation continued after the scene ended.

Ben: That boy is our last hope.

Yoda: No, there is another.

Ben: Wasn’t ‘the other’ part of the group in danger Luke was concerned about?

Yoda: Not sure am I; pay attention to the specifics of what he saw I did not.

Ben: Well, it would seem the two would die or be saved together, wouldn’t you say?

Yoda: MmmmmMMMMM. Right I suppose you were: our last hope that boy is.

Damn it, now im never going to be able to not think about this lol 😄

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#1309212
Topic
The Prequel Trilogy Revised Trailer
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FreezingTNT2 said:

Do you plan on removing the Chosen One prophecy altogether?

I had no plans on removing it. Was it something most fans didn’t like? I had only planned on removing midi-chlorians from the plot, and possibly Sidious’s connection to Anakin’s birth. I do kind of like it more with Anakin having the potential to be the prophesied one, but failing in a sense. In the sense that he succumbed to the dark side due to the potential loss of Padame, but that his love for her was still something that brought about Luke and Leigh, and showed an error in Jedi Idiology. As Luke would go on to also challenge the Jedi Idiology for his love of his father, and proving in the end that love is worth something. Saving his fathers soul, who in the end, fulfilled his destiny and destroyed the Emperor. (Choosing to watch the ST doens’t change this narrative, as this is still how ROTJ ends it’s narrative).

Im open to thoughts and suggestions

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#1309201
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>720p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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doubleofive said:

focuspuller said:

Has anyone seen episode 5 of The Mandalorian yet? About three minutes into the episode a new digital shot replicates the opening of a New Hope.

It appears to be recreated using the original elements from ANH, not digital.

Wouldn’t be worth nabbing till they dropped the blurays any ways. Streaming quality isn’t as high. I keep hoping they’ll show more clone wars era destruction that i might be able to use when the blurays drop.

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#1309196
Topic
The Prequel Trilogy Revised Trailer
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FreezingTNT2 said:

When do you expect to release your edits for the prequels?

Not for another year or two realistically. There is so much to do still and not even close to done. Not a single scene in the trailers is finalized. There are a lot of scenes i havn’t even touched yet. Plus the audio side of things. The rotoscoping is by far the slowest process, and there is a lot of rotoscoping to do still. Even something as simple as the maul and sidious balcony scene have a lot. Plus tracking the background motion in one shot on top of the rotoscoping of the balcony and all of it’s openings, Maul, and Sidious, and the flying probe droids. Rotoscope the lamp so it shines again after being rotoscoped out from the back gound. Plus adding in new lights for traffic, rain effects, lightening, colorization for lightening. Rotoscope the building so its in front of the lightening. I still have to add a light edge to the building from the lightening. I need to make a list of all the changes but even that list is going to take time. There is so much being done. I really want it to look good too so im trying to take my time as much as possible. Somethings are tricky too. Like the scene of the tanks rolling up to Theed. I’ve never liked the hills and grass in that scene. Replacing it all properly is tricky though and involves a lot of rotoscoping for all those little ships.

Im of the opinion like some others, that the ending has too much going on. So im focusing on the Jedi battle, and the capture of the Vice Roy. I want to still use the cut scenes though, for pacing reasons, and for narrative effect. Some of the space scenes are being altered and reused for the Escape of Naboo. In which the fleet will distract and engage the Federation fleet so the Queen can make an escape. This involves working both fighter ships into some scenes with the Queen’s (which some are in the trailer), and some of the Queen’s ship into the Battle shots. On top of re-rotoscoping the laser fire/impacts. Adding in new explosions. There is camera shake added to the Queen’s ship interior views, on top of Emergency lights kicking on and flashing.

Some of the other shots from the Ending are being used for the Attack on Theed by the Federation, to both create a short dog fight in the skies above Theed, and a short ground battle showing Federation ground troops. On top of trying to create wholly new scenes helping to convey the carnage.

The Gun Gun field battle will happen after Qui-gon visits Otah Gunga and before the Invasion of Theed. Will have Jar Jar removed from the battle and end in defeat. The tanks firing upon the force field will be removed and re-purposed for the Invasion of Naboo.

The deleted scenes being inserted will have work too. I want to try to replace as many elements with elements from the movie in 1080, or with other high res elements. Where possible.

The effects to Jar Jar i want to improve for the scenes he pops up in along with the other Gun Gun’s. Im trying to do an extraction to add more depth to certain aspects of his skin. (Similar to what corridor crew did with the Scorpion king). Im also trying to figure out how to add in new texture bumpmaps and get them to track and move with the body or clothes. Nothing too over the top but enough to tell a marked difference in quality. If i can improve my computers work capability and master Blender or something then i would be capable of improving much more, but we’ll see about that.

I would also love to get a hold of a good camera that shoots in 4k with high enough capability to film new scenes similar to what Adywan has achieved with his edits. Not so much would be needed for TPM, but the next two films it would be especially nice for. This includes filming model ships against green screen as opposed to digital ones. Along with Theed soldiers for some ground battle shots. I would lovvvve to have real clone troopers in the movies, instead of just cgi ones. Along with possibly making new models for backgrounds and elements with in the shots. There is one in TPM of the cockpit view that is horrible. The instrument panel looks so digital, like a N64 game.

So there is a lot to do realistically and i would hate to rush things and put out something that wasn’t on the level it should be.

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#1309186
Topic
The Prequel Trilogy Revised Trailer
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You could also cut that scene imo. There is little pay off to it and the point of the scene is really the following line, that he could stop people from dying. That’s what hooked Anakin, because the driving plot at that point is really his fear of the loss of Padame. As his dreams tend to come true, this is what drives him right down to the final moment he’s staring off at Padame across buildings. Breaking at that moment and deciding to stop Mace. It was made that moment imo, not when he was there and cutting his arm off. He wasn’t supposed to be there.

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#1309185
Topic
The Prequel Trilogy Revised Trailer
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Darth Lucas said:

GameStation52 said:

The main problem I have with getting rid of Midichlorians is that Palpatine mentioned them in the middle of a long shot when he was telling Anakin about the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise. How is it even possible to seamlessly edit out “Midichlorians” from this long shot that slowly zooms in?

https://youtu.be/05dT34hGRdg

I did a cut a while back and made it work decently as “he could use the force to create life”. It was a little jarring but worked okay. Wish I still had the clip.

Not if you space it a little bit, re-cut, and use some of the music from the soundtrack for that scene. I used different cuts of them when they were speaking that section. Like that behind shot of them.

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#1309184
Topic
The Prequel Trilogy Revised Trailer
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FreezingTNT2 said:

GameStation52 said:

The main problem I have with getting rid of Midichlorians is that Palpatine mentioned them in the middle of a long shot when he was telling Anakin about the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise. How is it even possible to seamlessly edit out “Midichlorians” from this long shot that slowly zooms in?

https://youtu.be/05dT34hGRdg

I think Hal 9000 edited the scene to remove the midi-chlorians mention in his Revenge of the Sith edit.

Yea, i took it out in my personal machete cut i did early this year (Which prompted the Revised Trilogy). Vader being named came out, Midi-Chlorians, and various cheesy dialogue. Those kind of edits were actually some of the easiest. Editing during action was a little trickier just cause of the music and blending things to where they didn’t seem noticeable or a jump.

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#1308936
Topic
The Prequel Trilogy Revised Trailer
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GameStation52 said:

I was referring to the digital head replacements done during both of Dooku’s fights against Anakin and Obi-Wan, and Palpatine’s fight against Mace.

So, the Purist Cuts will keep the original alien and droid voices, right? The only things different in them from the official versions will be the vfx enhancements, the visual continuity fixes, and the color correction? Just making sure I understand this correctly.

Oh ok. We shall see. Im not there yet. Ill put it on the list of things to try for though. No, on the purist cut ill probably still change the droid voices. Just the events will play out the same. At least thats what i had in mind. Still a little ways off from that though. So ill keep you informed

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#1308852
Topic
The Prequel Trilogy Revised Trailer
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Im considering using the music from the 3rd trailer for the beginning of the podrace before Jabba rings the gong. Right then it would cut out and the engines would kick off going into different music to fit the podrace. This is a defining moment in Anakin’s life, and a moment the good guy’s are depending on too. Would like to make this moment have more weight to it, along with fun and excitement.

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#1308851
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised Trailer
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ChainsawAsh said:

https://youtu.be/CpC9KIc4zDE

Nein!!! Omg that was f*cking awesome hahaha I thought the Turkish one wasn’t too bad. The Spanish one made me laugh pretty good.

Yea the only versions im doing where Vader will appear is the purist cut, and the Machete Cut. My Revised version, and the version to go with Revisited both cut Anakin. Adywan planned on doing the same thing to preserve the Vader reveal for ESB.

TBH, i prefer the Machete Order but that’s just me. I like the order of information. Start with Luke, end with Luke. Vader reveal, Sidious Reveal, then seeing it all before starting Rotj, where Luke starts off looking dark like Anakin and force choking people like a boss. Also the lightning scene being reinforced by ROTS having been viewed right before ROTJ, really puts it back onto Anakin and his choices in that moment. Along with Lukes belief and hope in him.

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#1308841
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised Trailer
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ChainsawAsh said:

Never noticed anything about Ewan’s weight in TPM personally. And the “Noooo” has been essentially solved by other editors by using the Japanese or Russian dubs for that moment (which are more wordless cries of anguish than anything).

Never seen the Russian/ Japanese sub version for that scene. Was it better? Vader won’t appear in mine but cool to hear. And yea i was aware of his hair, braid, and hilt changing sides, but i had never heard about his weight. Worth mentioning though and may be do-able by some one. Just not me. I think it might be technically possible, especially with Deep fake tech. I unfortunately am not versed in those programs yet, and also do not have a work computer, but a straight home computer. The render times on that alone would be tough

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#1308839
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised Trailer
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FreezingTNT2 said:

GameStation52 said:

Which specific aliens and droids are you going to change the voices for?

Can you do anything to fix the continuity with Ewan McGregor’s hair and weight in TPM and fake beard in AOTC, or is that too much for you?

In ROTS, when Anakin arrives on Mustafar, and puts his hood on, it looks like they forgot to change Hayden Christensen’s right hand. It’s still fleshy!

I think the digital head replacements for Christopher Lee and Ian McDiarmid could use some touching up on.

What will you do about Vader’s “Noooooo!”?

To quote TheAlaskanSandman, “There is only so much you can do.”

Word. Plus, if i could fix some one’s weight, it would be Maul in Solo haha too many beef cakes

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#1308838
Topic
The Prequel Trilogy Revised Trailer
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GameStation52 said:

Which specific aliens and droids are you going to change the voices for?

Can you do anything to fix the continuity with Ewan McGregor’s hair and weight in TPM and fake beard in AOTC, or is that too much for you?

In ROTS, when Anakin arrives on Mustafar, and puts his hood on, it looks like they forgot to change Hayden Christensen’s right hand. It’s still fleshy!

I think the digital head replacements for Christopher Lee and Ian McDiarmid could use some touching up on.

What will you do about Vader’s “Noooooo!”?

At least Jar Jar, Gun-Gun’s, Droids, Waiter in ATOC, Etc.
His hair, probably not. Weight either. That is definitely probably more than i can do. Replacing his hair would involve finding all those right frames some where else. They would need to be lit right and more. It would turn out like trying to replace a lightsaber hilt through out a battle scene. Too many angles to duplicate. You’re not likely to find all the angles you need. Then on top of that they would all have to be blended to match the scene.
Anakin’s hand i can definitely fix.
Which scene for Dooku and Sidious are you referring to?
Vader’s No is going bye bye. In fact, Vader is going bye bye from the prequels. Only way to preserve the narrative of the OT. He will not be named Vader, and you wont see him turn to Vader. Last youll see him is burning on Mustafar.

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#1308713
Topic
The Prequel Trilogy Revised Trailer
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DigMod said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

To be fair it’s obvious that his face was inserted onto a random Jedi

To be fair, there is only so much you can do.

Yes, but if that is the case you might want to ask if you can pull it off or if it is even needed. I’m always wary of the “to be fair” defenses when a shot can’t be pulled off. I tried to do a force vision reusing footage and many in the community let me know it didn’t hold up, so I eventually axed it because I didn’t have the skills to pull it off at that time. One problem I have with the prequels is that they show way too much and over explain themselves. I’d have to agree that the current scenes are noticeable at the moment and I view it as a workprint/proof of concept. Hope you can pull it off.

Tried a few tweaks to the existing scene of Dooku. Altering levels, brightness, contrast, tint, blending mode, and a few other things.

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#1308711
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised Trailer
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ChainsawAsh said:

He didn’t do them himself (I think it was DrDre), but there are several scenes that simply aren’t finished enough to use. I can’t recall which ones aren’t included in Hal’s upscaled pack and which ones aren’t, though - it’s possible that some of the finished ones aren’t included.

I thought DrDre only did TPM and Hal did the other two? Either way, i get what your saying. I dont recall either which scenes where done or not, but thats ok with me. I think there were a couple i kind of wanted where a background replace would have helped.

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#1308703
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised Trailer
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FreezingTNT2 said:

MarvelVader said:

I have some questions, please.

  1. Will there be a version with the original lightsaber colors? Like having Obi-Wan’s remain blue and not green, for example?

  2. I know this is YOUR edit, and I don’t want to sound controversial, but would it be possible to have a version of the PT Revised that includes the parts about Midichlorians? Because personally, I have no problem with them.

  3. What kind of alien/droid voice dubbing will be done?

  4. What scenes are you planning to cut out completely?

  5. How are you going to make the DVD deleted scenes look more presentable, since they were never released in true HD?

I believe Hal 9000 has high-quality versions of most of the deleted scenes on his Google Drive.

It would be nice if Hal had done all of the scenes for the trilogy but i totally understand why not.

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#1308702
Topic
The Prequel Trilogy Revised Trailer
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MarvelVader said:

I have some questions, please.

  1. Will there be a version with the original lightsaber colors? Like having Obi-Wan’s remain blue and not green, for example?

  2. I know this is YOUR edit, and I don’t want to sound controversial, but would it be possible to have a version of the PT Revised that includes the parts about Midichlorians? Because personally, I have no problem with them.

  3. What kind of alien/droid voice dubbing will be done?

  4. What scenes are you planning to cut out completely?

  5. How are you going to make the DVD deleted scenes look more presentable, since they were never released in true HD?

Yes as stated in the Op post, there will be different versions due to saber coloring. One a purist cut, preserving all colors. One to be in line with Adywan’s Revisited Trilogy, and all blue except for Luke green one in VI. And my version, in which Jedi Masters have green, and padawan have blue. Mace may still have purple in mine due to him being the leader of the council.

Probably not on the Metachlorians. Though maybe. I’ve considered doing a total purist cut, with only new vfx for those scenes, and no new scenes.

Itll be an actor recording lines into a mic and ran through some effects and eq, and compression.

Like FreezingTNT2 said, Hal9000’s scenes are the best ones available right now. So im using some of them for the few shots i want. Trying not to use too much. The scene of the droid following Ani and Qui-gon though is kinda of needed. I still have more work to do on them though, but i’ve already tweaked some of them. It would be nice if Disney released the 4k versions and included the deleted scenes (hopefully looking better for the 4k disc). We shall see though.

No i have no plans to do the 4k versions if they are released. Not yet at least. I would need a much better computer to handle doing it in 4k. Plus the effects would have to be redone on somethings. I dont know if i could tolerate a 4k Jar Jar. To redo JarJar completely in Blender or something though, i would need a 20k$ computer. I am hoping though i can meet some one good at cgi models and wants to team up. There is a lot i would like to do, but just depends.

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#1308357
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised Trailer
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DigMod said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

To be fair it’s obvious that his face was inserted onto a random Jedi

To be fair, there is only so much you can do.

Yes, but if that is the case you might want to ask if you can pull it off or if it is even needed. I’m always wary of the “to be fair” defenses when a shot can’t be pulled off. I tried to do a force vision reusing footage and many in the community let me know it didn’t hold up, so I eventually axed it because I didn’t have the skills to pull it off at that time. One problem I have with the prequels is that they show way too much and over explain themselves. I’d have to agree that the current scenes are noticeable at the moment and I view it as a workprint/proof of concept. Hope you can pull it off.

I completely agree. If they can’t be pulled off, then they shouldn’t be done. Definitely all a work print, nothing you are seeing is done. So hopefully i can figure out a way to pull it off in a way that satisfies. Would be a nice scene. I also agree about the prequels over explaining them selves and trying to fix some of that. There are some shots from the attack of Naboo that will be tricky to pull off too. I didn’t even include them all in the trailer. There are a few ambitious shots id like to try and pull off, like maybe a scene of Maul on Mustafar or some similar dark planet as his first establishing shot. I don’t expect to be done though for another year or two so there is time to learn and try things. Rotoscoping is by far the longest process, and there is alottttt of rotoscoping to pull off what i want.

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#1308356
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised Trailer
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IlFanEditore said:

I already like many of the ideas for this edit… Peronally I only use Sony Vegas, so that’s not enough to make radical changes other than color correction and new music tracks.

I use after effects for the vfx and Davinci Resolve for editing. There are other programs that work with after effects to do 3d models that i need to get into. After Effects is really cool and if your familiar with photoshop, it’s an easy leap. Also a lot of tutorial videos out there for after effects.

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#1308262
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised Trailer
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IlFanEditore said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

IlFanEditore said:

Considering that in a previous ROTS edit of mine I tried to add rain in the background of the Obi Wan/Padmé scene (and failed), I like how it looks.
The lightsabers actually look somewhat similar to Anakin’s lightsaber in the sequel trilogy, so IMO they look really cool.

The one where he tells her about Anakin? If so that would be a interesting look. Im curious to see that. And i was trying to get the look and color from Empire and Force awakens. I haven’t added flicker to the sabers yet tho. Still so much to do

Yep, that’s the scene. But it looked soooo bad. I love that scene, I think the acting is quite good, the score is a wonderul crescendo, etc. But despite the emotional weight, it’s set during a sunny day. It kinda breaks the pathos.
In my previous edits I just changed the colors to make it look like it’s set during evening/night, but that’s all.

Just got to search around for some good effects over lays sometimes. Long as they are high res or used small enough for the res they are. This is how i got the finger print smudges on the Theed Pilot in the daytime shot. (Though im still smoothing those scenes out). When ever possible, i prefer real things filmed against a green/blue screen, or put to black so that you can use it as a screen. Then mixing what you can do in after effects on top of that. Some things i just can’t do. Like a new Jar Jar with more modern effects. Some one out there knows how to, I’ve seen thins done for Thanos. I dont know what programs to use or where to get started there but im working on it.

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#1308247
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised Trailer
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FreezingTNT2 said:

IlFanEditore said:

TavorX said:

He edited the post right under the OP with the updated trailer.
Dooku looks rough… But I can dig the concept, good effort so far 👍

TheAlaskanSandman said:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1uZu99WTujGLN8WBqNveHUk0v-OUIbfOA

Ep I Revised Trailer so far.

Personally, I don’t think Dooku looks that bad. It still needs some work, but the lighting behind him helps…

To be fair it’s obvious that his face was inserted onto a random Jedi

To be fair, there is only so much you can do. Just throwing him in with his ATOC duds and look would be equally as obvious or more. Especially if its just just a still image of him sitting there. Also it’s 10 years earlier so he should look some what younger. The levels i can adjust and mean too. His hair should be darker in the scene. Only way to get him in with jedi duds on though is to replace the original guys head. The fact you know this will ruin some of it no matter what. That’s the nature of seeing behind the scenes or seeing previous versions. I will try some other iterations or attempts though if and when i can. Sometimes its just a matter of getting really creative and resourceful. If you or anyone have any ideas or suggestions though i am open to them. I would like these to be the best versions they can be. Even if that involves working with others. I welcome it.

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#1308246
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised Trailer
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FreezingTNT2 said:

Where can I find the new trailer with Jedi Dooku? Also, do you plan on re-editing the sequel trilogy films?

Ill just update those links at the top when i update the trailer to make it easier. And i’ve considered it. I know ill do the original trilogy from Adywan just to bring some effects together with mine, namely just the saber flashes, sparks and steam. Though i’ve considered altering the ending of ANH. The sequel trilogy kind of just depends on how it ends and if i can find a good narrative thread to salvage some of it. Im trying to keep all of the movies i edit at least 2hr10min (About the length of ANH). So i have room to cut, but only so much. So we’ll see. I’ve considered doing Mandalorian into more of a movie too. Im sure others have too.

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#1308244
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised Trailer
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IlFanEditore said:

Considering that in a previous ROTS edit of mine I tried to add rain in the background of the Obi Wan/Padmé scene (and failed), I like how it looks.
The lightsabers actually look somewhat similar to Anakin’s lightsaber in the sequel trilogy, so IMO they look really cool.

The one where he tells her about Anakin? If so that would be a interesting look. Im curious to see that. And i was trying to get the look and color from Empire and Force awakens. I haven’t added flicker to the sabers yet tho. Still so much to do