The Aluminum Falcon

skyjedi2005 said:

The differences in clones and sith are so negligible to be almost unworthy of mention.

I disagree. Though the difference in ROTS is negligible, I'd be interested in the Attack of the Clones theatrical cut. I can't stand the added dialog in the DVD version after Anakin kills the sandpeople. Although, an even better find for me would be the AOTC IMAX Cut. If anyone has the IMAX cut, I'm very interested. The cuts it has made the movie better in my opinion.

Like LexX, I wouldn't mind an HD version of Star Wars that dipped into GOUT quality occasionally. It's still a nice temporary version before the glorious day in the far future when the original versions will be released in Full HD, completely restored. Although, I see how other people can watch the GOUT and watch the HD versions but not be able to stand the quality change in a project like yours. I have one suggestion though. Instead of using the raw, awful GOUT as a basis for the OT footage, perhaps you can use a cleaned up version like DJ's V3 or Moth3r's Pwnage Edition (with the respective maker's permission of course).

Also, Erikstormtrooper is right; Harmy seems to be moving towards a project that has all SE changes removed. Perhaps you should work together?

Wow after seeing some of the clips on youtube, especially the whole Mos Eisley sequence, I've been blown away. It's such excellent quality yet so close to the theatrical.

You mentioned that you may redo the despecialized editions. I agree with your idea to use DJ's V3 GOUT (with permission); it would prove an excellent choice. Though I'm not quite sure about using the Blu-Ray as an HD source, from the preview on amazon.com, it doesn't look like any issues have been remedied. Although, it's possible they're just using footage from the 2004 master. In any case, I think the color corrected Adywan version is vastly superior. Although, alternatively, you probably can color correct it; your work for the ROTJ reconstruction was pretty imprssive. Also, if you make a second attempt at despecialized editions, have you considered completely despecializing the movies this time around. You obviously possess the technical ability now, as shown by your great work in restoring the whole Mos Eisley sequence. A complete HD version seems to be the holy grail... Anyway, in any case, I respect your judgment if you decide otherwise.

Yeah actually there was a non-Lowry touched version in the UK. They used a different film print if I remember correctly and of course they had the sense not to put a ridiculous amount of DVNR like Lowry did it in its early days. I haven't seen it but the grain structure is supposedly intact and the picture looks very good. Here's a review on DVD Beaver comparing it with the American edition. Has anyone or does anyone want to do an NTSC conversion for this fine release?

ChainsawAsh said:

Aaah!  You kept Naboo!  *gasp*

Is there a way to put the Force ghosts at the funeral pyre scene, at the end?  With Sebastian Shaw, of course.

Hey Spence, I just watched your ending and it is vastly superior to the real ending. However, I agree with ChainsawAsh, is there a way to put the Force Ghosts at the funeral scene before the final shot. That would make the ending have a better close and come in full circle, in my opinion. However, I really didn't mind Naboo and with the new music, it's fine.

Anyway, I'll let you make the decisions. After all this is YOUR fan edit. Feel free to reject my suggestion. In any case, I can't wait to see the finished product. It sounds like such a big upgrade over v2 of the Spence Edit.

Ah, thanks bkev, I didn't know TCM just upscaled. By the way, did anyone ever make an NTSC version of the British Citizen Kane with the better video transfer?

Citizen Kane recently showed on Turner Classic Movies in HD. It looked pretty good. Did anyone happen to record and/or capture it? Also, does anyone know if it is the same transfer in the US DVD or UK DVD, or is it a whole new transfer all together?

msycamore said:

Moth3r said:

Laserman once offered to send me the X0 capture of the JSC  - under the condition that I claimed it was my own capture, so the rest of the X0 team wouldn't find out. 

??... Why do such a thing?

Laserman probably wanted the raw capture to somehow make its way out and be released. He may have seen how it was not being released by the X0 team and wanted to intercede (possibly a final wish). He probably didn't want to offend the team and decided to try to release it through Moth3r. Although, with the recent posts on the X0 thread, it seems that the raw capture probably will be released and Laserman's wish fulfilled. Note that this is just me speculating... it's possible Laserman might have entirely different motives.

That does seem unusual! Why on earth is it 1:85 since Halloween is 2:35? It seems very unusual for them to crop it like that in 1981.

Oh yes, forgot to say in my previous posts, welcome to originaltrilogy! I'm glad you're doing more SW edits :). BTW nice avatar Frink, loving the smile:

It sounds great! I'm so glad that you're changing the order of events in terms of the rebel fleet. I also am very happy to hear that you're moving the Luke/Emperor/Vader scenes to a Star Destroyer. I never quite liked it being on the Death Star since if the Rebel fleet was unexpectedly successful quickly, Luke could be blown to bits! Furthermore, I'm pleased that you're doing color correction since Vader's saber looked godawful in the 2004 DVDs. Are you deleting the Jabba music number with Jedi Rocks? Even with the original song, I've always felt this out of place. In all, your reordering of events sounds really interesting and a fresh take on ROTJ. I'll eagerly follow this project to completion.

Not to get too off-topic but is your AOTC edit or V1 (with no ewoks whatsoever) of the ROTJ edit still online somewhere? If so, can you please PM me the links? Thanks!

Wow this sounds really interesting Spence. I've always loved your original Spence Edit. Is this done? If it isn't are you thinking of getting rid of the Ewoks and replacing them with Wookies? I seriously think that this can be done with footage from the Holiday Special; Han's arrival in the Holiday Special could seem like them setting base with the Wookies. It even kind of looks like the Ewok's huts. They're both in the trees.

Is it a transfer of the Japanese Special Collection laserdisc or the DVNR-less laserdisc that Darth Mallwalker discovered?

EDIT: And also, is it too late to send in Verbatim DVD-R DLs?

There's no need to apologize for the confusion; I should have just read the posts more carefully. That's interesting about the TV cut being released on VHS though. However, according to IMDB (which is admittedly not completely reliable), the TV Cut had 12 minutes of tamer footage (in addition to the added scenes), which was released on a laserdisc (NOT necessarily the Criterion). Part of the tamer footage was used for the opening of Halloween II. I was able to watch Halloween 1 and 2 on AMC in October and unfortunately they no longer show the 1980's TV Cuts but just censored versions (no added scenes, just blanked out dialogue during profanity, etc.).

Wait; out of curiosity, what exactly is the Bonus set? Is it a laserdisc transfer?

Those screen shots look nice! I'm really loving the (finally) two-eyed stormtrooper. Yay, hurray for less DVNR!

Wait a second...are you talking about Halloween? That tv cut is definitely on a Criterion laserdisc and DVD. However, the Thing, to my knowledge, has never had an extended DVD release by Anchor Bay.

EDIT: I just read over the past few posts, including mine, and realized that you're talking about Halloween, not the Thing. However, I must point out something. The Extended Edition DVD is not the TV cut. It simply has the extra scenes shot for the TV cut edited back in. It contains the "gorier" theatrical version footage rather than the tamer version shot for TV. Although, a laserdisc of Halloween (probably the Criterion) does have the tamer footage and the extra scenes.

SilverWook said:

The Aluminum Falcon said:

I'm pretty sure that someone here has a TV version of The Thing. It's a pretty well known TV edit. The TV edit for Halloween was released on laserdisc if I remember correctly, and the new scenes were reinserted in the Extended Edition DVD. Although, I'm not sure about the others; however, someone may have a copy.

The tv cut was on the Criterion Laserdisc. Sort of. The full frame tv scenes were included on the CAV version, the theatrical cut proper being letterboxed.

Criterion only had access to a tv broadcast master tape. The actual extended film footage was thought to be lost at the time, IIRC.

You literally had to program your LD player to play those scenes where they go into the film, and repeat the process for each side! I did it at least once back in the day. Darn kids and their seamless branching DVD's have it so easy today. ;)

Wow! You learn something every day! I never knew that Criterion put out a release with the TV scenes on them. Does anyone have this laserdisc? One should be able to make a reconstruction of the TV cut with these scenes.

Darth Mallwalker, are you planning to make a preservation from your smear-free ANH laserdisc? I'm just curious. If you have already announced anything regarding this and I simply missed it, I apologize.

Ripplin said:

skyjedi2005 said:

Or the scenes from that ben burrt documentary redone from a new hope in imax by ILM, done in 70mm using a special camera by Dennis Muren.

I would love to see the whole thing again but i'm starting to think it'll never be played again!

You're probably right. There seem to be quite a few things that we'll never see again (or at least until the distribution rights for Star Wars are no longer controlled by Lucas)... this, the Attack of the Clones IMAX cut, the Empire Strikes Back 70mm version (although this could feasibly pop up as a 16mm version somewhere), and of course the version of Star Wars that showed on opening day that many people claimed had a certain grappling hook missing...(though I don't necessarily believe this actually existed). But, I digress...

Oh, sorry I just realized how extremely vague I was being. I was wondering why in Part VII of your guide you recommended using DVDShrink if your final DVD (after muxing and adding menus) turned out to be a greater size than a single layer DVD. DVD Rebuilder normally yields better results in terms of video and audio quality even if the DVD being compressed is more than 5% oversized.

Anyway, it was just a suggestion, and I am admittedly not very tech savvy. In any case, thank you so much for this guide; it must have taken some time and effort to make.

Hi, I have a suggestion. Instead of using DVDShrink if the DVD goes over the DVD5 standard, after everything is muxed and such, why not use DVD Rebuilder? It seems to always have better quality results. Forgive me if this has been discussed prior and deemed an inferior method.

zombie84 said:

Finally, as to disqualification of the (apparently) 16mm Catnap print, while obviously this isn't a "theatrical performance" (i.e. live from a theatre), this seems a bit harsh.

I actually think that it only should be disqualified if it is a modern telecine. I believe that if the Catnap is indeed an old telecine and one that was bootlegged in the late 1970's/early 1980's. then it shouldn't be disqualified from this thread. If it is a modern telecine, I would disqualify it on the basis that you don't see the more modern telecine preservations in this thread, such as the Puggo Grande. Just my two cents...

So, is anyone up for keeping track of the Adywan ESB: Revisited thread? I personally can't because some of the stuff discussed there goes way over my head, so I can't really summarize it clearly. If anyone wants/is willing to do it, just say so.

Hey Cantina Scene, if you want another edit, you might want to check out ADigitalMan's ANH edit or Adywan's Purist edition.