HOLY CRAP! I just got my V3 package. I'll watch it as soon as I can.
EDIT: I meant Project Blu... just a bit awestruck I guess.
dark_jedi said:
Well it has been a fun time, and it has been cool, now it is time to get ALL SW related files and folders OFF
So I take it, you've scrapped your 1997SE V2? If you have, it's fine since you do totally deserve retirement after completing this thorough set.
So again, I really hope you guys enjoy these, we all know it took long enough to finish ;)
I know, I will... :-)
TMBTM said:
"The War of the Stars part 2"!
That would be a dream come true... We can get to see what kind of sequel Lucas would have been forced to make if Star Wars wasn't a success. So, I expect we can expect a miraculously resurrected Vader. :-)
By the way, I'm also excited about Puggo Strikes Back, just as it is.
Bingowings said:
Do you see?
Crap, completely misread the earlier post. It was late at night when I posted that. Yeah, now I see how that's a plot hole...
Apologies, Bingowings.
msycamore said:
I'll take a look.
Thank you. I look forward to your thoughts.
Even how bad these old transfers are, the 2006 DVD's could at least have looked a little better if they were done right.
That's a pity. I wonder why the GOUT has certain odd issues like that, and why most of the releases are worhy to be preserved, each having their own good qualities.
In all, Star Wars releases in general seem to have inconsistencies even if the same master, your Pioneer SWE vs my Mitsubishi being one example. I suppose a blend of the various releases might be higher, more faithful to theaters quality, but still laserdisc quality.
Oh, for anyone interested in the different scan line pattern, with more vertical lining, on my Mitsubishi SWE, I transferred the scenes with scan lines to a DVD via a Toshiba DVD recorder connected to a Pioneer LD-V850.
The DVD has two titles. The first title is from my SWE and has all the scan line scenes, plus a few clips just so you can get an idea of the overall SWE laserdisc quality. Apparently, my Mitsubishi pressing looks inferior to the Pioneer SWE pressing msycamore owns; however, it does show a different (more detailed) pattern here, so go figure!
The second title is from the 1997SE. It shows the scan line patterns from this edition, as well. As the 1997 LD is a laserdisc benchmark, I included these clips mostly to show how well my set-up transfers LDs to DVDs.
You can download this DVD here if you're interested:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YJCSDH93
It's an ISO so you can extract the folders with WinRAR. By the way, this new DVD is higher quality than the Xvid I posted in my earlier post, so there are (slightly) less artifacts.
Thoughts, as well as tips to improve transfer quality, are always appreciated.
Bingowings said:
If Coruscant is the target why would the Emperor sit there?
He's flat out cocky... It's no worse than him being on the Death Star II when that was supposed to be the target, something only one edit has fixed...
Coruscant's also nice since it gives us something exotic. It's spectacle for 1983 people... like Hoth, CLoud City the original Death Star, and Tatooine was. ROTJ wasn't good partially because it wasn't grand. It "lacked vision."
Harmy said:
so here's a new video
Wow, that looks great; though, embarassingly on my part, I couldn't notice some of the changes. Is it possible you can post a few comparison details? :-$
Harmy said:
Well, here it is from my latest workprint
At least your version looks good ! :-)
adywan said:
Looks even more shit now.
Well that sucks. Guess we can't even expect the most minor improvement.
Hmm.. interesting. So all the vertical scan lines have always been there from the beginning? I wonder why my SWE has it more visible than the better resolution (?) JSC.
TV's Frink said:
Added, but I bet it won't last.
Oh... :-( That will spoil my never-been-ignored record.
I'm not being ignored :)
Will the Blu-Ray's increased gamma fix at least this issue?
And, yes Frink, I'll be haunted by it still too.
Just had a thought. Do the recently released captures match the Amazon.com trailer? If it does, then we'll be still haunted by this...
Put Captain Solo in the Cargo Hold said:
I think the real shot that'll reveal if LFL has learned something since 2004 is the one in Jedi with the two sabers crossing. If that looks the same as before, then the Blu is an official failure.
I'm not sure if this was accurate to the Blu-Ray, but Amazon's trailer shows this:
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
two 16mm prints of ROTJ
TWO?! Is one of them subtitled or are they both in extraordinary condition?
timdiggerm said:
I meant Return of the Puggo. What is wrong with me today?!
LOL. Then we'd have the Puggo trilogy... See all three films like never before: in all their 16mm glory COMPLETE WITH MOUSE DROPPINGS AND DUST!
Of course, that's not a bad thing :-)
TV's Frink said:
For some reason.
Maybe he wants to make his own preservation...
or he just likes holding those big old laserdiscs... :-)
timdiggerm said:
I suppose this has already been asked: Any plans for Puggo Strikes Back?
Wait, sorry, but what do you mean? We are talking about the color correction for Puggo Strikes Back. The color comparison screen caps above are from it.
Puggo only commented on the Puggo Grande because of a foolhardy idea I had.
CJackson said:
How much do the Japanese special collections run for on eBay?
Quite high if I remember correctly. They're not as common as the other LD sets, so I've seen them sell from $50-$100 each. You may wish to check prices on lddb.com.
However, a cheaper alternative you may want to consider, if you just want no motion smearing, are the Special Widescreen Edition laserdiscs. They're slightly lower quality but have no Japanese subtitles. Also, many pressings of ANH have an aspect ratio error.
The cheapest way to get the Japanese Special Collection versions would be to get one of the preservations made here. Arnie.d.'s V8, an excellent transfer of the JSC version of A New Hope, is available on both Demonoid and the a.b.starwars. As for Empire and Jedi, you can get Dark Jedi and Segaflip's old preservation of them on a.b.starwars.
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
My first impressions are that I was wise to approach Ady. :)
Indeed you were! Those results look amazing. The print still looks like a film but just a newer, less color shifted film. This will be amazing to watch.
Perhaps a color corrected Puggo Grande after this...(I know, wishful thinking)
p.s. - please note that all mouse droppings were left unscathed.
Yay!
msycamore said:
to be honest with you... it looks very bad, in which way did you capture it?
Oh heh...right... :P... I do appreciate your honesty; it looks pretty bad to me too. I actually captured it with a Toshiba DVD Recorder connected by high quality composite connections to a Pioneer LD-V850. It was captured on SP (2 hour) mode, so it's not the best quality. Pretty low-tech. It was the first laserdisc I transferred and mostly just a test.
maybe someone with more knowledge in the field of LD-capturing could give you some suggestions on what to do to get some better results, there is some very nasty artifacts on it.
If anyone has any suggestions to better my captures, I'd be very glad to hear them. I'd love to know better ways if possible. I'd also like to know info about my model: Pioneer LD-V850 whether it's good or bad.
One way I know to improve it straight of the bat is to use XP (1 hour) mode while recording. It gives better quality and possibly more accurate to the LD source.
However, thinking about it, some of the nasty artifacts in the clip I posted may be caused by DVD to XVID conversion.
I doubt that sample represents the overall look of your LD, my Pioneer pressing looks pretty damn good and there's no reason your Mitsubishi pressing should look any different if it weren't for in the way you captured it.
After reading your post, msycamore, I decided to recapture some of the scenes in question. This time I used XP mode, for higher quality and PCM audio. I also used better composite connections (the fancy ones that came with my OPPO DVD player). This means that there should be very little loss in capturing.
The disc I made has roughly 10 minutes worth of scenes. The first five minutes are from my Mitsubishi Special Widescreen Edition. They are on the DVD's first title: JUN/ 27/11 10:58PM L1 XP. They are a mixture of scenes with holograms and other random scenes (which show the overall quality of the laserdisc). To be honest with you, the picture only improved slightly from my original capture, but, this capture has not lost much detail in the transfer to laserdisc. Any imperfections, or dirty images, is actually how my laserdisc looks and not due to transfer. If Mitsubishi's pressings were faulty........... ARGH! >:O Perhaps your Pioneer pressing was pressed in a higher quality way and looks superior, though why the scan lines for the strangling scene would be less detailed on a high quality transfer baffles me.
Anyway, as for the next five minutes, they are from my ESB 1997 SE laserdisc, which I believe is close to reference laserdisc quality. This is the second title, labeled: JUN/ 27/11 11:20PM L1 XP. They are the exact same clips as in the SWE. The purpose of this title was just to demonstrate the overall quality of my set-up/capturing method/laserdisc player and how much detail it loses (not much, IMO). In my honest opinion, this definitely looked pretty good for a laserdisc, so my laserdisc player and setup seems to not be the cause of any "bad picture"/artifacts in the SWE transfer.
You can download my new DVD at:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YJCSDH93
Note that this is an ISO file to be opened with WinRAR. It will then give you the VIDEO_TS folder, which you can handle anyway you want. I decided to upload the entire DVD this time, as to not risk any accidental artifacting from Xvid conversion.
Hopefully, this will be closer to your expectations. Looking forward to your comments...
They could still be made from the same master, the Emperor hologram in the GOUT doesn't have the scanlines visible even though they are on the US '93 DC LD.
This was just a side question, but are there differences between the GOUT and the DC? Sorry I just didn't know this. Are the GOUT and Faces an exact match then (minus the ANH/SW crawl change of course)?
EDIT: Had one more thought. Is Dark_jedi's old Special Widescreen Edition transfer from a Pioneer pressing or Mitsubishi pressing? How does it compare to mine? How do the scan line patterns look?
raphael said:
As an aside, something else I want to preserve about this movie is the soundtrack, which has long been out-of-print and never even made it to CD. It'd be nice to have a lossless version with high-res scans, etc
Does anyone know if anyone else has tried this?
No one's tried this as far as I know. However, you can hear some of the soundtrack on Youtube. The video I listened to sounded as if it had been ripped from a record with the quiet hiss and the warm analogue sound. Of course, I can understand these being too low quality for you.
EDIT: Wait a second! I just found it. Someone already has it preserved to lossless FLAC. It's on tehparadox. It has some extra sound clips from the movie in it, but you could probably take them out before burning it.
I'll PM you the links...
Lacerated said:
I have a VHS recording off of the Sci-Fi channel probably 1st or 2nd broadcast. Surely, there's a higher resolution capture out there.
Well, you're the only one who's come forward. Other people might have a copy but it could be the same quality as yours, which looked pretty good judging by the captures above.
Ziz said:
AOD TV cut has been available for a while, more or less. Hit FE.org and look for "Primitive Screwhead Edition". He's got the TV footage in there.
Thanks for the advice Ziz, but I have the screwhead edition already. I'm interested in the whole broadcast, with it's queer censorship (apeheads). Also, the color of it seems quite different, sometimes clearer