Is it confirmed that for that release, the extended version is the Blu-Ray and not one of the included DVDs? Nevertheless, I'd be interested to see an extended edit of Evil Dead II if the AV is acceptable.
An edit for Skyfall already, somewhat interested in this... So basically, you just lopped off the second half?
There is a 1080i HDTV broadcast of decent size of the original cinematic color scheme on rutracker...
Leonardo said:
Allow me to correct you on this, the tape is in the correct academy ratio, it only goes to widescreen in a few shots.
So sorry! Didn't realize this. My bad, Leonardo. Apologies!
...supposedly. The only thing we know is that this was a telecine from a Technicolor print.
Fair enough... though the optimist in me suspects it is more accurate, just as the Pinochio LD is. Even so, added a disclaimer in my post.
I agree with those encouraging a sync to the HDTV. The detail is decent, and the new color timing on bth the releases is atrocious.
ww12345 said:
On the other hand, though, I have an IB print of Horror of Dracula, and about every 100-200 feet (I don't remember how many feet exactly) there was a color change, due to the Tech processing. IIRC, they could only process so many feet at a time, so they just did their best to match colors/etc.
Not to derail but YOU MUST BE JOKING. If you have any more Hammer or James Bond, I (and I suspect captainsolo) will just faint.
Back on topic, the partial Reel 1 looks promising, as well as the color corrections...
Good job on the thread, Doctor M! Might I suggest a few things?
Snow White- Leonardo has a pre-restoration bootleg VHS with perhaps the most accurate colors (substantially different than any post restoration version, though I agree BD appears to be the best of a bad bunch)
Pinnochio- I have the CLV 1980s version that has the best colors- I may try to transfer this when I'm not busy (read: in about a month) and sync the restored track
Fantasia- confused about the various LD releases- Can someone explain this? (Are the CAV and CLV different "masters"?) Was there ever a release VHS, CED, or LD of the 1980s version?
Beauty and the Beast- Gonna have to debate you here. :) The 3D BD version has more accurate colors (at least closer to the LD, Beauty's hair is the right for here, not red-tinted, as in both the 2D BD and the Platinum Edition)- also closer to the theatrical version albeit with more tweaks
A revival of the ADM Aladdin preservation would also be appreciated if anyone still has it...
Reel 3 looks pretty good. I'm excited to see not one, but two film-based SOTS projects coming out of this thread. Both look pretty nice. Definitely upgrades to the current broadcast. The colors are pretty wonderful too!
My recommendation is to either get Molly to edit the first post of the thread with your new list and then provide a link to that in page 20
or
(second option) do what you said and make your own thread (though that could get buried like AnctuFaalb's
Never knew that the 2002 edition existed. Looks fine if not oerfect to me. It seems to be taken from a similar master to the '99 except higher quality, judging by the shots. I think it is oft ignored not because it isn't good but because it's entirely forgotten.
singhcr said:
I just won a 007 LD lot that has TLD, OHMSS, and Octopussy with digital sound. The others have analog sound but I'll see how they compare. I plan on synching these with the BD video. I'll share them if I am successful.
Nice news. I'd actually suggest syncing OHMSS with the SE DVD rather than the BD. For all its faults (EE, bad compression, lack of definition, and missing lines), it generally plays out better- more faithful to the original release- than the contrast blown BD, which tried some color correction from the UE DVD master but still looks quite off from the original.
Knightmessenger said:
On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1999 dvd without the opening sequence blue tinted, good transfer but print is somewhat scratched and damaged)
Not to be too much off topic, but that release is accidentally cut by a few lines.
Know that the main focus of this thread so far seems to have been Suspria, but how does the French Wild Side release of Inferno compare to the US and the Koch? I plan on picking it up since I'm going there soon. (I also might end up ordering the German BD too if the quality is not satisfactory enough though.)
EDIT: Just realized I can't pick up the German even if I wanted to. I'm not region free sadly enough. So, it seems the Wild Side would really be great if someone could verify it's all right.
Thanks for the advice, dvdmike, but the UK is region locked and also lacks lossless audio. Also, the Japanese is quite expensive... as seems the case with most JPN imports.
I just can't find info on the releases I mentioned- French, Hong Kong, and Canadian. Those happen to be the most reasonably priced, and, if they're equally good for the main feature (already have the DVD for the spec. features), I'd rather get those.
I happen to be going to France soon, so I also plan on picking other exclusive titles when there such as Army of Darkness, Suspiria, Tenebre, Inferno, Zombie, Terminator 2, the Transporter films, and the Fifth Element...
Thanks for the above belatedly, dvdmike. ^
Now, new question, which Trainspotting is the best uncut release, aside from the Japanese? I know the US is definitely cut but confused which other ones are not. So I was planning on getting this-- the first Candian release, but then thought twice.
Are the French and the Hong Kong cut? (There's absolutely nothing I can find to tell me what the case is there). Additionally, is the second Canadian release simply a port of the US and thus cut?
Really appreciate your guys' help.
Molly said:The old version - it may still be on TPB - is very crudely handled, since I didn't really know much about the tools I had at the time. What it was was a down-encoded rip of the 1995 CLV laser, with IVTC, and using the DVD's "restored mono" audio track. Probably the same thing I'd do now, but with better tools.
Sorry lost track a bit here. You guys are talking about Cinderella, right?
I'd be very interested in this! PM sent. Thanks!
Fantastic news! Never seen this before and looking forward to this as my first Conan experience...
For the record, (I'm trying to understand this), best versions of the LOTR trilogy are as follows?
FOTR TE: HDTV (BD has too much DNR)
FOTR EE: BD (despite green tint)
TTT TE: BD (has DNR but HDTV is only EE)
TTT EE: BD
ROTK TE: HDTV or BD (some reviews said the TE BD of this was fine with no DNR so I'm not sure)
ROTK EE: BD
I apologize— I'm not very knowledgable about the transfers of these. Any help would be appreciated.
Leonardo said:
The Aluminum Falcon said:
AFAIK, IIRC, all the releases of Snow White are not accurate to the original colors. The 1993 restored LD (first release) was somewhat mildly criticized by an old animator for having colors different than the ones they used (albeit nice alternative colors). The DVD and the BD are pretty similar. I've always wanted to find out how Snow White looked originally but the only hope may be a 16mm/35mm print transfer pre-restoration or a VHS recording from the 1980s, which probably would have faded anyway.
I may have something of interest to you. An infamous (at least between italian collectors) pirate vhs from 1991 that is apparently sourced from a 35 mm telecine, possibly from the 1980 re-release. The colors don't seem to match the dvds. It even has, though visibly inserted and in a different aspect ratio because they were from the Widescreen 1972 re-release, the original animation for the italian text that Disney animated in 1938.
Now, I should have two copies of this, both in the garage. Gotta dig them up some time...
EDIT: there used to be a couple of videos of it on youtube, but they've been taken down
I really would love to see this version of Snow White if you could oblige. Could you upload it somehow, please?
First observations are that the color-corrected Blade Runner looks nice. Won't burn to a BD though due to failure to mux in TSMuxer due to some compatibility (NAL size invalid?) issue. Recommended, as it gets rid of the teal rather nicely so it looks like an 80's film again.
The first LD of which I posted some screencaps is actually much/far more accurate color-wise than both the early Pinnochio DVD (too red-shifted/toned) and the new Blu-Ray (vibrantly revisionist). Pinnochio originally had a lot of green in its palette.
AFAIK, IIRC, all the releases of Snow White are not accurate to the original colors. The 1993 restored LD (first release) was somewhat mildly criticized by an old animator for having colors different than the ones they used (albeit nice alternative colors). The DVD and the BD are pretty similar. I've always wanted to find out how Snow White looked originally but the only hope may be a 16mm/35mm print transfer pre-restoration or a VHS recording from the 1980s, which probably would have faded anyway.
Starting a definitive list is a good idea. IMO.
Very interested in seeing a transfer of an IB tech print if it's eventually shared. The quality of the UK broadcast no matter how enhanced is somehow lacking, no offense to all those wonderful people who preserved it. Thanks for sharing the information, Zip Doodah!
Just found those myself, bkev. I'm going to try downloading one of those soon.
I haven't commented much in this thread during the season as I have in the past. That being said, in the interim, I've managed to collect most of my thoughts on this season. So, if you'll excuse the long post: some thoughts on Season 7.
It would appear that I have been looking at the immediately preceding Doctor Who seasons with Matt Smith and have found my memories of Season 5 tinted with nostalgia and Season 6 (which I for the most part detested) a much more satisfying experience in retrospect.
Throughout both, there were weak stories and strong stories, all anchored by the interesting characterization Matt Smith brought to the Doctor. However, Smith almost seems to be going on auto-pilot now. The Doctor's hysterics seem to be wearing thin. That I feel is the main problem with the Seventh Season. Compare Matt's performances in Series 7 with one's from Series 6 and you may see what I mean. I may be completely off, but Smith doesn't seem to take the role seriously anymore.
The first half of the season was pretty boring. Asylum of the Daleks stands out as the best of a bad bunch even though it was contrived as hell (ie. the marital issues, the nano bot conversion of humanoids to Daleks, and, of course, the Doctor's unnecessary putting of Amy in harm's way by not giving her his wristband sooner.) I also disliked that their accomplishing of their main mission seemed to merely be a side effect of trying to escape. Dinosaurs on a Spaceship was just bad camp, with one of the most stereotypical villains I've seen in a long time, and A Town Called Mercy was boring (did not like his Amy was depicted pretty incompetent here— remember in A Good Man Goes To War when she wielded a gun/blaster reasonably well). The leads seem to have lost all inkling of who they are. The Power of Three was weird. I thought it was going to be a two-parter until they solved the plot in the last ten minutes. Angels Take Manhattan was a bit of a mess with its faux-noir atmosphere. The Liberty Angel seemed really arbitrary and a bit of playing with the fans to be honest.
Second half was much better. I genuinely liked both The Snowmen and The Bells of St. John. Snowmen had a slow start but it built up pretty quickly. Loved the return of the Great Intelligence. Good villain, not yet overused. The Bells was probably my favorite episode of the season, reminding me a lot of the wonderful The Invasion at moments. The next episode was rubbish though; I don't think anyone has any defense of that. Once the girl started singing to the mummy, I was out. Cold War was fun though; seeing the villain from Tron in there was awesome. I liked the whole lone warrior aspect of it. Hide was my second episode and its wonderful aspects have already been discussed in this thread. Great atmosphere. Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS was terrible except for the one good bit where the Doctor seemingly threatens the salvage crew with the self destruct. That was some of Matt Smith's best characterization in the season, reminded me of how ruthless Hartnell could be.
a Nightmare in Silver was very enjoyable, on the whole to me. I thought it was great frankly and loved how the Cybermen were handled. Rounder faces= more uncanny valley. The speed was good. I was tired of hearing them clunking about. Warwick Hope the Cybus cybermen never return. Warwick Davis gives a standout performance, while Smith's is a bit odd at times (Cyber-Planner seems too much like the Doctor, not evil enough). Finally, The Name of the Doctor was a splendid end to the series. The Great Intelligence was very menacing in this episode. The Hurt ending was enticing, an incarnation of the Doctor we've never heard of, oh my! Nice finally seeing an origin of sorts to the Doctor (Hartnell stealing the TARDIS). Special effects could have been handled better though, Babelcolour does better work (see: The Ten Doctors).
That being said, even this is much stronger than the late RTD era in general. Love to hear those of you who disagree/agree with me.