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#127792
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.: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/127792/action/topic#127792
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Originally posted by: zion
Capturing with an HD card won't make it look any better. There are still only 277 (usable) lines of resolution from the LD, no matter what resolution you choose to capture at.

Upscaling would be a possibility, but it's unlikely that it will look any better on an HD screen. We'll see though. I managed to upscale and make that turd of a ROTS xvid look decent, maybe we can do the same thing with the X0.


Well, I guess what it all comes down to is that the team keeps the raw footage after it's all edited, etc. Then for the HD release, there wouldn't be any worry about the mpeg encoding loss. That's a huge quality loss right there.
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#127789
Topic
.: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/127789/action/topic#127789
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I also don't know if the X0 transfer can be made HD quality ready because I don't know if HD capture cards really exist yet and how good they are if they do.

There are HD quality cards that are now available. Like you, I'm not sure of the quality.


I'm sorry if this seems like a rant. I just think a high quality DVD release will be better than what we've had up to this point. I say worry about HD when the time comes. Due to the confusion of many consumers trying to pick between two different formats and the cost associated with each, I think the time when it will be commonplace will be later than sooner.


I agree. I care a lot about this project and I'm just thinking about the future. It would be nice to have everything done now so the project won't have to start from scratch again. Who knows, Lucas might actually suprise the heck out of us and release the original OT on the next lossless medium.
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#127788
Topic
.: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/127788/action/topic#127788
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Originally posted by: Karyudo
Originally posted by: ThatArtGuy
Currently, even the best DVD's look extremely poor on HDTV's.

Really? What's your signal path? 'Cause I figured DVD looked pretty hot on an HD projector. "Extremely poor" is pretty damning -- just why is it so horrific?

When I go close to my TV when playing a DVD I can see the compression inherent to the DVD mpeg format (i.e. individual pixels, colors grouped together, etc.) This is on a regular 640x480 screen that "melds the picture together." When I go to a Sony Store and look at DVD's being played on their HDTVs, you can clearly see every compression artifact. This effect is compounded by the HDTV's extreme definition at a much higher resolution. Comparing the two is like night and day. DVD is fine for a regular TV, but looks "extremely poor" when I see it on a HDTV. When the new format is available, the difference will be astounding. I'd say the difference in quality will be more than the difference between VHS was to DVD.

Are the original X0 captures going to be good enough for the inevitable HDTV output?


I can tell you right now that they aren't -- none of the current transfers will be -- for the simple reason that they're still only letterboxed NTSC from LD. That's a mere 270-ish lines of resolution. Even Moth3r's version started with maybe 300 lines (and features more dot crawl that the X0 Project will). I'm sure there's no nicer raw turd than the X0 Project raw files, and some serious turd polish such as you've never seen before will be employed, but if you're expecting better-than-DVD HD output, you are going to be quite disappointed.

I, on the other hand, won't be: I don't figure DVD is too bad upsampled to HD, and I will gladly accept some softness and video crappiness as long as I never have to watch the even more egregious video crappiness of seeing Greedo shoot at all and Jabba the Whupped turn up in ANH.


I agree on the last paragraph. However, wouldn't it be possible to capture the analog signal at a resolution that is equal to HDTV specifications? It is after all, an analog signal, just up the resolution capture.

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#127763
Topic
.: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/127763/action/topic#127763
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And are the "masters" being saved for an eventual higher definition possibility?


That's a very good question, one that I was going to ask myself. Currently, even the best DVD's look extremely poor on HDTV's. DVD's will have to be replaced with HD discs. Are the original X0 captures going to be good enough for the inevitable HDTV output?
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#98271
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Episode III novel and comic leaked (Spoilers within)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/98271/action/topic#98271
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Originally posted by: JarHead413
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Originally posted by: ThatArtGuy
The Episode III Audio book is being uploaded to alt.binaries.starwars right now.


Is that a bitTorrent site (cuz I know jjust enough to use it good) or something. How might I go about getting this from here. Thnx for any reply.


Check the alt.binaries.starwars thread in Original Trilogy Preservation. There's a link to tutorials there.
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#98056
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New Season of Clone Wars
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/98056/action/topic#98056
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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
You know, the animation on "Clone Wars" really isn't that good. "He-Man & The Masters of the Universe" (1983) had better animation than CW, as did GI Joe, Transformers and Thundercats.


*cough*Bullsh!t*cough*

More realistically drawn maybe, but the animation on most of the shows you mention repeated footage, dropped certain scenes to 10 frames per second (and sometimes even less), and weren't very dynamic at all, graphically or dramatically. (Skeletor is angry! Ummm... he always looks angry. He's going to cast a spell. *Skeletor raises scepter the same way he does in every episode.* etc.) I can remember episodes of G.I. Joe using two frame animation cycles for literally 5 seconds of the show (i.e. red laser bolts shooting at blue laser bolts). Technically speaking, the 70's and 80's were the "dark ages" of animation. All cartoons were used for was selling toys, so no one cared if the show was *good.* (As proven by your list of cartoons you cite as examples.)

If you look at Clone Wars, you can tell that there is a very concerted effort to make the characters have more depth. The lines are made to have a feeling of depth. Look at Dexter's Lab. Everything there is made to look graphic and flat. You can't tell me that the Clone Troopers look the same as that. Sure, the line weight (thicknesses) might be similar, but the characters are drawn completely differently. The animation on Clone Wars also doesn't repeat ad nauseum (if ever), is fluid, and care is taken in every frame.

This argument spills over to fine art. Would you rather own a realistically painted landscape done in black and white where you get everything in single glance, or would you rather have a impressionistic painting where you see something different, and feels different, each time you see it? (The "I'd rather have a velvet painting of Elvis, than owning anything painted by Monet" mentality.)
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#96593
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New ROTS Trailer
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/96593/action/topic#96593
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Originally posted by: Warbler
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Originally posted by: Lord Skywalker
I love both EP1 and EP2 and i'll even go as far as wanting Lucas to rewrite 4,5 and 6 so that
it molds perfectly with the rest and makes it more logical. The 'holes' would be closed doing so.


Oh Good God.


He should have made the PT to mold perfectly with the OOT in the first place then there would be no holes, and no need for and a rewrite of the OT.


Exactly.
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#95805
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Episode III box office potential
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/95805/action/topic#95805
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Okay, okay... talk about semantics! The prequels' plot was inferior (the definition of plot being the story that is actually shown on screen) as opposed to the storyline which what the plot inferred.

The movie as it actually was, or what it was supposed to be are two totally different things. If you were to read a novelization, I'm sure it would be 1000% better.