TestingOutTheTest

Someone suggested adding in Vader’s castle in the Mustafar sequence earlier. Do you plan on doing so?

JakeRyan17 said:

cough Maybe she uses the The Force when she fires the blaster seeing how emotional she is… cough

Cool headcanon. Never properly supported in the movie.

Movies Remastered said:

She doesn’t really show that many abilities other than being a good pilot and helping fix things.

cough Rey is impressive with a blaster and lands three accurate hits against stormtroopers, minutes after a scene that implies she’s never even held one before… cough

(Now, you could argue she misses her very first shot, but that’s just it, immediately after that she lands three accurate hits, which is impressive for someone who’s implied to have never held a blaster before; I know you’ll also argue Kylo blocks her shots with his lightsaber during their initial encounter, but she’s still impressive in terms of aiming a blaster despite, again, the implication she’s never held one before)

Just a point, but his redemption was already set up in The Empire Strikes Back, he doesn’t stop the Millennium Falcon at the end (if I recall correctly).

Also, how do you plan on implying the time skip?

NeverarGreat said:

For everyone arguing that Rey’s power in TFA wasn’t unusual…the creator of that movie made a sequel to it where he acknowledges that it is unusual and explains it by tying her by blood to the most powerful Force user in the galaxy. I don’t remember the name of that movie, it might come to me later.

Regardless, TFA is designed to raise questions about Rey’s parentage and her unusual affinity to the Force. Otherwise TLJ wouldn’t try to explain it by tying it to a Force equation involving Kylo and JJ wouldn’t have tried to make her the spawn of Space Satan.

This isn’t to forgive TFA’s choices - a movie should stand on its own merits. The real issue with Rey’s power in that film is that it requires extra context to appreciate, and not because it’s necessarily unusually strong based on the prior films, but because it feels unearned.

Take the scene of Luke levitating a saber in the Wampa cave. Someone watching this film after the first one could complain that this is a bogus and overpowered new ability, but the scene sells that this power is the only thing that will save Luke’s life and he struggles mightily to achieve it. The music and camerawork, the sense of peril, all were necessary to generate the need for this new power.

Rey in contrast is never in mortal peril in her moments of crisis. Rather, in each one she chooses to pit herself against a superior opponent and comes out on top, sometimes to her own astonishment. And this makes all the difference in terms of earning a power versus merely acquiring it.

Exactly. You shouldn’t have to go outside of a film and rely on a sequel, prequel or even ancillary material in order for it to make sense, each film has to stand on its own and be coherent on its own; you can argue the same for The Empire Strikes Back, except most of its set-ups, specifically Luke dealing with Darth Vader being his father, can be summed up as “What happens next?”, whereas plot holes and inconsistencies aren’t the same as “What happens next?” questions.

SparkySywer said:

There’s really not much suggesting either way whether or not Wookiee language is easy or hard to learn, so I’d personally take Rey picking it up as evidence that it’s easy. Not as evidence that it’s hard and that she’s OP.

I never said it wasn’t easy to learn; I said that it was implied to be rare, in that Chewbacca is the only Wookiee shown outside of his homeworld and most people do not even know what a Wookiee is, let alone its language.

Regarding the thing in the later part of your comment about faith, that doesn’t explain how Rey knows how to resist Kylo’s mind probe or how she knows how uses the mind trick. This is what people mean when they criticize Rey’s usage of the Force without any training.

Also, a single-handed sword-like lightsaber with a weightless blade that can kill you if you were to use it incorrectly is not the same as a heavy-weight double-handed metal staff.

JakeRyan17 said:

I guess we see her speak a couple other languages there with other people at or around the outpost.

We do see Rey communicate with Teedo; it’s clear Rey knows who he is, as in her first scene with BB-8 she tells it “That’s just Teedo.” But there is no indication he’s from a different planet, so we can conclude from what we know that he is from Jakku.

JakeRyan17 said:

Her having skills learned offscreen isn’t being a Mary Sue

I understand that, but if it contradicts her background presented to us as well as established in-universe facts, then it would make her a Mary Sue. For example, my character is a regular human baby who lives in Hell and speaks normal English, after being abandoned by his English-speaking parents moments after it was born; in Hell the only language everyone ever speaks is perfect and normal English. But somehow he understands the Navajo language, literally on the verge of “extinction”; this would make my character a Mary Sue/Gary Stu.

sade1212 said:

Shyriiwook must be a very straightforward language, since even 22-year old ex-scumrat and Imperial Academy expellee Han Solo seemed to be able to understand it.

If I recall correctly it’s established in Solo the Empire is enslaving Wookiees, so I don’t think it’d be hard to conclude Han learned what the language is specifically during his time at the Imperial Academy.

Copyright?

It isn’t like people from different planets visit it regularly; in fact, the only people we see visit that trading outpost regularly are scavengers who (we can conclude from the information presented; well, not quite, but there’s no indication they’re from different planets, so we can still conclude that…) live on Jakku and head there to sell scraps and get resources so they’d live.

And another thing, regarding how it reinforces the notion that Rey is a Mary Sue, in the previous six films the language is implied to be rare.

Regarding the Tantive IV explosion, I like how it erases the issue of Force lightning being inconsistent (on one hand it blows up the transport on Pasaana, but it doesn’t blow up the Resistance ships on Exegol), but the explosion in the edit does look a bit out-of-place in comparison to the rest of the scene.

Movies Remastered said:

SparkySywer said:

I wonder what might be able to be done in an edit of TRoS that makes the trilogy more cohesive without sacrificing TLJ. Most edits of the ST try to reconcile TLJ to TRoS, but that’s kind of a shame. Like TLJ or not, it’s the one that actually has an artistic idea behind it. Especially compared to TRoS.

I’ve tried to make a cohesive trilogy but making Rey less of a Mary Sue in TFA, Both she and Finn get beaten badly by Kylo and their first face to face battle is in TROS. I’ve tried to link TLJ and TROS as much as possible but removing the “undone” moments in TROS and tried to add more seeds to TROS in TLJ.

I seem to be one of the only people that like the fact Luke became a hermit like Obi-wan. He’s a broken man after watching everything burn. It seems even more poignant with the end of The Mandalorian now.

Do you plan on removing Rey understanding what Chewie is saying in TFA and TLJ? That is commonly seen as another aspect of what is felt by many to be her Mary Sue status.

Wait a minute, what would explain the slaughtered people if the planet Kylo and his Knights are on if said planet is Exegol?

Add in cracks onto Kylo’s helmet in that Force vision, too. I know it might be confusing for some watching the film, but I guess it could be inferred as a vision of the future where something has happened to Kylo’s helmet.

The implication of Rey’s reply about Luke is that she is considering the realization that Luke could be her next parental figure since her family is never coming back to get her.

SandMTV said:

Opening to ROTS the 4.5 cut DVD:

1. FBI Warning
2. 20th Century Fox Attention
3. MPAA Rating
4. 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment
   Main Menu Opening like ROTS 2005 dvd (But this time with Siege of Mandalore and 2003’s Battle of Coruscant)
5. THX “Genesis”

DVD Menu Areas: Utapau, Coruscant, Mustafar, Mandalore

Main Menu’s Character reel footaage: Obi-Wan (Same like 2005 DVD Menu), Anakin (Brooding on Mustafar), Ahsoka (Witnessing the clones breaking through the doors at the end of Shattered), Padme (Same Like Obi-Wan), Yoda (Sensing the Jedi’s deaths), Mace Windu (Seeing Shaak Ti tied up), Rex (Seeing Ahsoka again), Bo-Katan (Looks at the gunship landing with Maul in it), Greivous (Same like Obi-Wan and Padme), Maul (does the join me thing), Palpatine (Same like Obi-Wan, Padme, and Greivous), Darth Vader (Watching Morai from above)

Set Up:

AUDIO: English 5.1 Dolby Digital Surround-EX, English Dolby Surround, Backstroke of the West, English Audio Description, French 5.1 Dolby Digital Surround-EX, Portuguese 5.1 Dolby Digital, Spanish 5.1 Dolby Digital Surround-EX, Japanese 7.1 Dolby Digital Plus, Music Only, Dialogue Only, SFX Only

Subtitles: English for the Hearing Impaired, French, Japanese, Portuguese, Danish, Dutch, Finnish, Norwegian, Swedish, Spanish

Disc 1 Special Features: Filmmakers’ Commentary, Editor’s Commentary, Starwars.com

Disc 2 Special Features:

1. Deleted Scenes (Greivous slaughters the Jedi/Escape from the General, Elevator Antics, Star Tours Coruscant, “Do not assume you have the advantage”, Escape through the hangar, Blinded by love, Cal’s Training 1, A plot to destroy the jedi?, Cal’s Training 2, Cal’s Training 3, Utapau Chase animatics, Order 66 animatic, Cere/Trilla Order 66 scene, Jaro senses Order 66, Anakin Kills Shaak Ti, Kashyyk Attack animatic, Cal escapes Order 66, Jedi Imposters at the Temple, Senate Duel Animatic, Mustafar Duel Animatic, Mustafar Duel/Lava River Animatics, Yoda communes with Qui-Gon)
2. Featurettes: It’s All for Real: The Stunts of Episode III, The Chosen One, Within a Minute: The Making of Episode III, The Journey, ILM Episode III Siggraph Reel, Star Warriors, Star Wars Tech, Inside the Mandalore Duel: Ahsoka Vs. Maul.
3. Webisodes of Episode III (All webisodes from the ROTS 2005 DVD)
4. The collection (Wardrobes, Props, and Maquettes) of Episode III
5. Interviews (Coruscant Overview, Samuel L. Jackson Interview, Utapau Overview, Mustafar Overview, Natalie Portman Interview, Kashyyyk and Order 66 Overview)
6. TCW Downloaded: Siege of Mandalore
7. Easter Egg: Hip-Hop Yoda in 4K!
8. Trailers (Nostalgia Teaser, Epic Trailer, PixMagic Trailer “Breathing”, “A Hero Falls” Music Video, “A Galaxy at War” AMV)
9. TV Spots (Jedi Action (Kids), Jedi Unite, Showdown, To Protect You, Seduction, End of the war, Celebration, Brothers, Epic Tragedy, Teaser Cutdown, Trailer Cutdown, Dark Side Unleashed, Tragedy, Sith Happens, Jedi Action, Review, DVD commercials, Revenge of the Sith Merchandise commercials, ROTS Video Game commercials, Pepsi Ad, Blu-Ray Trailer)
10. Video Games and still galleries (Lego Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga trailer, EA’s Star Wars Battlefront II Trailer, Exclusive Production Photos, One-Sheet Posters, Outdoor Print Campaign, Starwars.com)

I’m not sure if Lucasfilms do deleted scenes of Siege of Mandalore because I seen the BTS footage of Ashley Eckstien recording the line that wasn’t in the Siege of Mandalore which is “Who finishes their mission first”. I will be pleased of they make S7 to the Blu-Ray Disc with tons of Bonus Features.

How do you create a DVD opening for a DVD anyway?

How would an edit like this deal with the ground splitting apart and stopping Rey from killing Kylo?

To be fair Vader didn’t sense her death

Aren’t you the guy who was making the Skywalker lightsaber be unstable similar to Kylo’s?

I’ve found this edit which changes the color of Rey’s robes; it fits in better with her struggle with the dark side. What do you think, Hal? Do you plan on doing a similar edit/change?

Aren’t there other edits considered for V1 but were scrapped?

Are you still going to add the idea of the Skywalker lightsaber having an unstable blade similar to Kylo’s, at least in V2 or later?

The entire point of the way the original trilogy was developed is that we’re dropping into an existing universe.

Yes. What does this have to do with anything?

Snoke rising to power in the 30 year gap in time, especially since he came from the Unknown Regions, fits in well enough without having to give him a backstory.

How did Snoke did Snoke come to be? Why did he create the First Order? How did he manage to get the resources to create the First Order? How did it get so powerful? How didn’t the New Republic notice the growing extremist organization that wanted to destroy them? How did Snoke contact old Empire generals and make them come to him? Why didn’t the New Republic destroy them the moment they heard of their existence?

It does not fit, in any way.

There’s nothing about him that doesn’t fit, we just don’t see every detail of how he fits.

Nothing about him fits.

Can I have a link to your edits and your TRoS workprint?

It was a new universe, and we didn’t know the past of the universe, so it makes sense for Palpatine to not have a backstory in the original trilogy. However, now in the Disney trilogy, it is a very developed universe, and Snoke has to fit into that universe in order for him to be believable and make sense.

Irrelevant to this post, but regarding your “Ultimate Star Wars Saga” rewrite, Qui-Gon should never constantly abuse his Force abilities to get his own way and he also wouldn’t have a contradictory moral code (e.g. he is perfectly happy brainwashing Watto into accepting useless money, but not to simply steal the spaceship part he needs).