TavorX

I also suspect it was just ease of convenience. Which of course, it is. Just look at the BTS of Empire. Most of the Dagobah set was Frank Oz walking beneath the platforms, obscured with the fog. Plus, it was difficult for Hamil to hear what Oz was saying from below and had to rely on, if I remember correctly, screens to show Oz speaking and then Hamil would know when to say his lines.
Now you’ve gotta use more Yoda, under the vision of Lucas, in the PT. He wants flippy Yoda? Gotta ditch the strings.

Looks like I was wrong.

I actually saw TLJ three times in theaters, more than the one time for TFA. I loved the visual spectacle of the kamikaze attack and the swelling score when Luke stepped onto Crait. My opinion was more positive back then and has since dwindled but I don’t regret the cinema experience.

Rey already learned to rely on herself while living on Jakku. Relying on others was not really a big issue nor was it a huge problem for her to learn to work with and trust others. No, her main internal conflict was learning how to let go of the past and accept her new role as a Jedi. This very much aligns well with Luke in ANH. After both accept that they have no business clinging onto Tatooine/Jakku, both seek guidance. It took Rey a little longer to come terms with this, but by the end of TFA, she grew as a character.
TLJ’s Rey and her flaw is a little more than with relying on others. It’s mainly a struggle with finding a belonging/place/role in the galaxy. Her arc more or less is understanding that she alone can define her role.
However, I think the issue is that both these issues are appear far too similar between these two films. Luke in ESB was struggling with the temptation of the darkside and avoiding following too closely in his father’s reckless ways. Perhaps TLJ was trying to convey that Rey was a nobody and therefore just as dangerous to be a blankslate that could easily succumb to the whims of the corrupt. Again, I don’t believe it was done well.
I’ll be seeing TROS today, so I’ll then able to truly see for myself how well or sloppily it honors the story decisions of TLJ.

I overall like browsing Reddit, but I tend to avoid /r/StarWars. I wouldn’t take it too personally if I were you; your posts are pleasant and well-thought out here on the forums.
Perhaps the friction comes from how it’s a newer breed of fanboys. I suppose I technically fit in that newer category too, but regardless, if you imagine if more of those vocal users tried to post here, it would be even worse than it is now.

Yeah no doubt, I ultimately prefer the OOT and intend to make my own custom box set whenever 4KXX is complete.
It’s just unfortunate as the years go by, there’s little audiences left to cater to that has interest in the OOT. You have more fans signing online petitions for Disney to make more movies set in the Old Republic timeline. Let that sink in. They’ve moved on. Disney will follow the money.
I’ll gladly rejoice with you all whenever the announcement and release of the OOT is official. Just seems to me that the window of time and opportunity to pressure the higher ups to listen to us was anytime before 2015.

I firmly think that there’s little to gripe about these days in respect to having access to the OOT. In just another year or two, 4K projects for the originals will be complete. The more years that pass by, the more the OOT is forgotten. Newer generations are used to the special editions and mesmerized by whatever new SW popcorn movie that comes out. I’m in that odd category where growing up, my SW were the 97 editions and the prequels were steadily getting released. Talk of the OOT was probably the most at its peak back then. That aspect is what led me to look for the originals later on.

I have to be brutally honest and say many effects feel dated in certain scenes compared to some changes that the 97 SE, arguably, improved upon (think stuff like the X Wings). However, I’m just the type of person that still rather have the first, Original version. Now, the reason I bring up 97 SE being “my” SW growing up is because I’m used to certain changes that it is somewhat jarring to watch ROTJ unaltered and have to listen to Yub Nub. In most cases, I’m sure it applies vice versa for the people that grew up on the OOT. I say that to say this: if I was a kid right now, I’d be totally immersed with the newer SW and seldom mess with the OT. Parents right now, whom aren’t the most tech savvy to even find the OOT, will just oblige to buy whatever DVD/streaming release that’s available.
I basically think that even if the OOT was released, who does it really serve? A few thousand people? Perhaps a hard pill to swallow, but just look to the Star Wars sub Reddit. Talk of the OOT is just about extinct. Roll your eyes all you want, but the kind of people posting in those places on the internet is more of the intended audiences. Why lift a finger for the minority of us?

There is no death, there is only the Force.
There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no chaos, there is harmony.
There is no death, there is the Force.

Eh reading is for nerds anyways.

I agree, I was really hoping at the very least that IX would allow for the good parts of TLJ to have major payoff. Rey hung onto the ancient texts at the end so I really had hoped it meant Rey would learn the ins and outs of the past and craft a new order.

Episode 7 was a nice change of pace that finally reinvigorated a sense of a cliffhanger that makes you feel eager to see the next episode. I’ve not had much issue with any of the episodes of before, but I was getting slightly worried that it was just adventure of the week. I personally have a taste that prefers an overarching plot, though I understand how it can burn out viewers.
However, I think this episode did a wonderful job bringing it all together. Seems obvious in hindsight, but yeah, if the main guy of the Old Empire isn’t taken out, the Mandolorian and the Child will always be on the run. Thus all the previous episodes was just surviving and stalling, for a good reason. Plus it was just satisfying to see characters united from the previous episodes. A bit emotional too, which is a plus, I’m glad I could feel attached to these characters. Perhaps in the season finale, the Mandolorian will fail and season 2 will be the search for the Child.

That’s honestly the best SW poster I’ve ever laid eyes on.

Oh I saw “SW leaks” in the link and assumed someone somehow got early footage without permission. Looks official so I’ll check it out after work 👍

I dare not see that clip but not gonna lie, y’all are evil for hyping me to see the Emperor again. Pleaseeeee tell me it’s more RotJ than RotS in terms of looks???

Interesting to know, thanks Ash!

You’d need helluva team, a coordinated, dedicated and passionate team. Willing to work for little to no pay, taking time out of their free time. Having to fund the project themselves and setting up donations. And lastly having a thick skin to deal with criticism, warranted and unwarranted.

Never heard of this film but I’m fairly interested in it, even more so to notice William Defoe as lead.

Misterhanoi1991 said:

in search of the prequel and sequel trilogy’s unaltered versions that premiered in theaters

From what I understand, there’s little deviation of the Prequels that you can officially purchase from the theatrical release. I’m not aware of the newer sequels having substantial changes, if any. Any particular reason you’re seeking these out?

ray_afraid said:

TavorX said:

ray_afraid said:

TavorX said:

Kinda weird to think in-universe that the bad guys explicitly call their side the “dark-side.” Paradoxically they don’t believe they are evil but they’re also conceding that they are evil.

The dark half of the yin-yang isn’t evil.

Well… when the dark side of the Moon destroys an entire planet, Taoism tends to go beyond Star War’s pay-grade.

I’m just saying that that’s where it’s coming from.
When Vader says “Dark side” he isn’t saying “Evil side”.

Oh I see where you’re coming from now. Fair point.

Touching. I’ll definitely be seeing it in theaters, despite my lack of true excitement I’d normally have for a SW film. However, it does help to see that there’s more character interactions that we lost in TLJ.

But MAN are they really being on the nose for any of those people that dearly wanted Finn and Poe to be a romantic pairing, amusing to say the least. The marketing team knows what they’re doing.

A case could be made is that perhaps downsizing the main crew would had helped certain characters have more character moments. Nix Bodhi and Baze. Chirrut indeed was one of the better ones in that movie and I would had liked him to expand on his views about the Force/supposed Church of the Force. Baze, I assume, was meant to be representative of a refugee due to Imperial invasion of his home planet (based off the trailer). Instead he’s more of a tag along friend of Chirrut. Bodhi serves more like a plot device than a character.
Ideally, Rogue One could had shined with this angle:
Jyn is unmoved about the tales of Jedi/the Force, perhaps a skeptic initially.
Cassian does believe in those tales, and fights for the hope of making those old tales a reality.
Chirrut embodies that the Force is indeed real for Jyn and inspires her to realize it’s no longer just about helping her father but the vital importance of the Rebellion’s resilience. Also gives Cassian peace, even in sacrifice, that the Jedi may overthrow the Empire.

It gives clash to Jyn and Cassian in the beginning because their end goal is the same, but motivations may be off, which may cause misunderstandings/disagreements and then eventual acceptance/understanding towards the end.

K-2SO would remain unchanged.

I still could never stomach the “well these characters were going to die, so of course they were written for you not to feel personally and emotional attached!” justification for Rogue One.
How many one-off movies are emotionally involving with characters you grow attached to only for the characters to have tragic fates? It’s not impossible.
It’s more to me some highlight reel of the EPIC OMG Star Wars montage, and that bores me to death.

ray_afraid said:

TavorX said:

Kinda weird to think in-universe that the bad guys explicitly call their side the “dark-side.” Paradoxically they don’t believe they are evil but they’re also conceding that they are evil.

The dark half of the yin-yang isn’t evil.

Well… when the dark side of the Moon destroys an entire planet, Taoism tends to go beyond Star War’s pay-grade.

So in essence, it’s no longer the reign of Darth Jar Jar being the key to all this, but the rise of Jedi Knight Baby Yoda uniting fans and passersby.

Oh for sure would agree plenty of people in SW would join the “dark” side without question for their twisted desires.
However, for someone like Luke, who is more about truth and justice, I was just saying that it wouldn’t be the smartest angle to explicitly say your side is “dark” and therefore associated with “evil.” But I do see your point too. After all, Luke does wear black in RotJ. If it were truly dark = evil, Obi-Wan and Yoda would had protested Luke to wear a lighter article of clothing. “It’s not the Jedi way!” So perhaps you’re onto something I glossed over.

Kinda weird to think in-universe that the bad guys explicitly call their side the “dark-side.” Paradoxically they don’t believe they are evil but they’re also conceding that they are evil. It makes more sense to stick with monikers like Sith vs Jedi. Like Republicans vs Democrats, either side is going to think the other side is demonizing. Neither would logically say they are evil or morally bankrupt themselves on their side of the fence. It’s not the most attractive way to recruit others. Imagine if Vader didn’t say scary things to Luke like “dark side” and just more things to try to screw with his head such as Obi-Wan being a liar. Saying you’re evil kinda cancels out anything else you say versus just appearing like you believe you’re in the right.