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#278028
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.-The Matrix Hacked-..:Completed:.
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Dr. M,

I wasn't sure I was going to watch this. I'd seen the other edits, and this one was longer, which was a turn off to me. And you said you weren't able to smooth out all the edits. But I was intrigued by your idea to completely re-arrange the last movie, so I watched them both over the weekend, and was very entertained.

I haven't seen the original since the theatres, and it is so different from the other edits that when I watched revolutions I didn't recognize a ton of the scenes. It really felt like a new movie to me. It kept my attention the whole way through and didn't feel as long as it was. I like your explanation for the oracle's change. Very well done. Good ending too. But the fact that you made it so Neo doesn't have powers outside of the matrix is really what makes this my favorite Matrix edit. That's what bothered me most about the original. I was very pleasantly surprised. Great job, man!

What's next on your plate?
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#275915
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Info Wanted: Star Wars Interactive Board Game DVD ... stuck on @99.7% of DL...
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Are you using Azureus? If so, stop the torrent, to a "force re-check", and then restart them. Sometimes Azureus hangs near the end, especially if the "done" size is bigger than the actual file size.

Sometimes I've even had to remove the torrent (not the actual downloaded files) and then restart the torrent. It should see the files, and download the rest.
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#275911
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Superman by Taolar (Formally: Son of Jorel) WORKPRINT AVAILABLE
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Originally posted by: lorang
Hi Tooler just sent you a PM with a rapid share link for the deleted scene your after hope you can use it but if not all the best with your project we are allwaiting with bated breath.
Shane


I was hoping for something of higher quality, but I'll see what I can do with it. PM me your address, and I'll send you the finished DVD.

Thanks!!

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#275720
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Superman by Taolar (Formally: Son of Jorel) WORKPRINT AVAILABLE
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Originally posted by: Commander CourageWell Clark in that shot is from the mugger scene in the alley from S:TM, when Clark is trying to disuade the mugger. As for the background, I have no idea. Do I still get credit?


That's good enough for me! The background was taken from earlier in that scene as the mugger is pulling them into the alley. Good eye! PM me your address and I'll send off the DVD when it's done.

-T

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#275638
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Superman by Taolar (Formally: Son of Jorel) WORKPRINT AVAILABLE
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Originally posted by: klokwerk
I have no idea what the Reeve reaction clip is from. Spider-Man? Lol.

Nope. I'm only planning on using footage from the first four Superman movies.

As for the deleted scene, isn't that scene in the film? Or is there a similar scene and I'm just getting confused?


No, I found it here: http://www.capedwonder.com/newwebsite/pages/multimedia.htm

It was scanned from a rare 16mm print that he has. He won't part with a higher resolution version.

-T
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#275502
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Originally posted by: Doctor M
I think maybe it would be better if you cut the two words "the people" altogether. (Just leave "Don't do it.")
Cutting away from it makes it feel rushed, keeping the video shows the smirk. I don't think you can win with it. Also (and maybe it's just me) his tone in delivering the line is still pretty poor.

I like Reeves delivery here. Keep in mind the context. This takes place after all of the other action in the city. Superman caught the falling spire that almost crushes a mom and her child, Zod starts blowing up cars, which Superman isn't fast enough to stop, he barely stops Zod from blowing up a 18 wheeler, and now they're throwing buses full of people around. He just gave up a life as Lois's love so he could get his powers back to save these people, and he realizes he's unable to. He's desperate and as they're throwing the bus he's yelling "the people" helplessly.

Originally posted by: Doctor M
That 1.5 second shot looks strange...almost makes me think you took a shot from Superman Returns and morphed Reeves' face on it....strange.


Nope, it's not from Superman Returns.


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#275429
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Just for fun, here's a little contest. The first person to post the exact source of the following 1.5 second shot that I'm using in the new ending, will get a free copy of the finished dvd, whenever it's done.

Clark Reacts (200kb divx) <----- Right Click & Save



Also, does anyone have a hi-res copy of this scene?

Deleted Scene (1.5mb animated gif)

If you can get me a copy of good enough resolution that I can use it, I'll also send you a copy of the DVD when it's done and put your name in the credits.

And to follow up on the bus throw discussion, here's my update:

Bus Throw 2.0 (4mb divx) <----- Right Click & Save

Better? Worse?

Thanks!
-T
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#275193
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Superman by Taolar (Formally: Son of Jorel) WORKPRINT AVAILABLE
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Thanks for the feedback, guys!

You have a good eye tweeker, and I don't disagree with the three items that you originally pointed out.

Originally posted by: tweaker
1) I think you could stand to hold to a second or two more of the action inside the bus as it's rolling--it looks pretty real, which offsets the kind of unrealistic effect of it being initially thrown.

The shot you see inside the bus as its rolling is a little too short, in my opinion, and I would hold on it if I could. Unfortunately the other shot inside the bus doesn't match it, and the only other relevant shot is of the bottom of the bus, which didn't improved the scene when I had it in. In the end I decided it only slowed down the action. I went back and forth on this a few times though. And I'm not going to say that I won't change my mind at some point, but I think this is the best that can be done for now.

2) When Ursa and Non are lifting up the bus, you see Ursa lifting first, and the bus looks pretty horizontal, then a look elsewhere, then a look at Non, who only then begins to lift up his end of the bus. Could you reedit that a bit so that it looks like they're lifting simultaneously?

When Ursa starts to lift it's at the correct angle, but then as she continues to lift Narn's side of the bus seems to raise too, then we cut inside the bus, and then to Non starting to lift. It is inconsistent, and is exactly the type of thing that I always try to fix. In an earlier edit, I fixed it by cutting away from Ursa when she got to about waist level. That worked fine, but as I was polishing yesterday, I forgot why I did that, and noticed that the cut didn't match with the next shot of the lady in the bus. Looking behind her, out the window she's obviously further off the ground. So I put it back to the way it is here, without thinking about the reason I changed it in the first place. I'm glad you pointed it out. It will be improved in the final cut.

3) When Superman says "No, don't do it! etc..." After he says "No!", he gets this sort of weird half-smirk on his face, as if Reeve feels that the line is kinda corny and can't keep from laughing...is there any way to cut around that?


I never thought of it as a smirk. It always looked to me like a panicked, pained expression, but still, I did think it looked a little goofy. In a previous edit I covered it with the shot of people hanging their arms out of the bus. It's the only relevant shot that is long enough to cover his expression, and it does add to the feeling of danger. Unfortunately it doesn't match up with the shot a split second later of the bus being thrown. There are no arms hanging outside of the bus then. I picked what I thought was the lesser of two evils, but now I can't help but see it as a smirk too and it bothers me. I'm definitely making a note of this and will probably change it back. This is one of several moments in the movie where I wish I had access to the alternate takes...

BTW, what software are you using to your editing and special effects?


For editing I'm using Premiere Pro, and for fx I'm using After Effects and Photoshop. Although I had my problems in the past, Premiere has improved over the years. It still has some goofy bugs, but nothing that causes me much frustration or lost efficiency. I can't say enough good about After Effects. Once you get past the learning curve, it is the coolest, most powerful program I've ever worked with. My only criticism of it is that the motion tracker is not up to professional quality. But still, if I could find a job using only After Effects all day long, I'd be a pretty happy man.

Thanks to everyone for the feedback!
-T



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#275094
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Superman by Taolar (Formally: Son of Jorel) WORKPRINT AVAILABLE
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Here's a scene that I've been polishing today. It's a little different than what I showed at the test screening. My main intention was to quicken the pace and increase the fear that Superman might have actually been hurt. There are 18 cut ponts, with a few clips moved around, one flipped, and a total of 16 out of 62 seconds removed. Still, I think it's a very subtle edit. Watch the first half and see if you notice anything that I changed, then watch the second half, which is the original scene. Please tell me what you think!

BTW, the DIVX compression made everyone look like they have a sunburn. The final DVD will NOT look like that...

-T

Bus Throw Comparison (9mb divx) <------ Right-Click & Save
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#274370
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Superman by Taolar (Formally: Son of Jorel) WORKPRINT AVAILABLE
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Well the computer is up and running again, with no data loss, but I promised my wife I'd take a break from all things Super.

So, quickly, while she's out, I'll go over the test screening. I was up until 2am on Thursday working on the first half (which is basically Sup1) quickly doing work on the fx that were necessary to the plot. We're talking really bad fx (like the smear job under the Landspeeder in the original Star Wars) and then left it to render the mpeg2. My son decided to get up at 6am the next morning, so that was 4 hours of sleep, but I scheduled friday off from work, so I got to do more sloppy fx work on part 2 all day. I spent too much time polishing the end, so I was up until 3am. I left it rendering, and set my alarm for 7:30. So after another 4 hours of sleep I started on the audio mix of disc 1 Saturday morning. The best I could do is blend some tracks together, and for major edits where clips were re-arranged (like the destruction of krypton sequence) I just removed the surround sound track which had most of the original music, keeping the center channel, and found a good place to lay down the music only track. I'm so glad they provided the isolated score on Sup1 dvd. There were still some harsh audio transitions, and I'm sure the levels fluxuated a lot, but I just didn't have the time to rewatch the whole thing, so I rendered the audio and loaded them into Adobe Encore to make the DVD. The program muxed the audio and video together and then I get a "Unknown Error -1". WTF??? A quick search for an answer on the Adobe forums came up with nothing useful. The movie marathon started at noon, and here I was at home at 11 with no superman. So I searched around and found DVD Lab Pro that I had installed a long time ago. Loaded it up and started the muxing process which took so much longer than with Encore. But it did finish, and I left my house at 11:45 and made it to the location just at noon. First on the movie marathon was Deleted Magic, which everyone enjoyed. I set my computer up in another room and started burning the first disc. Then I had an intemission of 1/2 hour to let more people arrive. We ended up with 8 people at the test screening. I gave a little introduction on Fan Edits, a quick history of the making of the first two Superman movies, and what I was doing with them. Two of the people had seen the both movies in the last few years, everyone else hadn't seen them in a long time. That was perfect. So after explaining that most of the effects were only temporary and that the audio mix will probably be horrendous, I started the showing. I hung around for the Krypton scenes, and they looked great on the 8 foot screen.

I snuck back to work on the audio for disc 2. Unfortunately Sup2 dvd doesn't come with an isolated music track, so I had to fill in the major edits with music from Sup1. The ending took the most work because I was replacing almost all of the audio, and even had ten new lines of dialog that I wanted to blend in. The rest of the movie could survive a bad audo mix. But I was afraid the new ending would fall apart if it was obvious that it wasn't a scene from the original films. Time flew by way too quickly and the first half of SoJ was done and I still hadn't rendered the audio for disc 2. So I threw on a disc of short film intermissions that I had put together, and started rendering. I had a fresh disc about 1/2 hour later and was glad to be able to sit down and watch it all myself.

Although I'm very happy with the way the first half turned out, after seeing it on a big screen I realized the second half is now my favorite. Out of the two, the second movie had the most room for improvement, and at a lean, mean 74 minutes, it works very well. Although it still has its share of levity, it is mostly dark as hell. And the new ending... well, I can't describe it as a happy one. There's no time travel or amnesia kiss in this movie. Things aren't neatly put back to the way they were. At best the mood is more of a melancholy hopefulness, sort of like the end of Empire Strikes Back.

The greatest thing was that no one noticed that the new footage didn't belong, except for the actor himself and my wife, who was present during taping. Until we started giggling uncontrollably, no one knew anything was up. They were just going with it.

The only suggestions I got from the audience was the audio levels in a few spots (which I expected), and fixing some rough edits, which are already planned with FX. They said it moved along at a good pace and except for one cut plot point, which I was hoping no one would pick up on, everything made sense. I'm sure I can fix that with some more FX work, although it will take some work. But everyone enjoyed it, and even the people that had seen it recently weren't that sure of what I changed. One person, who wasn't a big fan of the original superman movies said that he really liked it, especially Superman 2 (which he HATED in the theatre).

So enough congratulating myself... I'll be back to work next week. I'm actually going to enjoy the break!
-T


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#273386
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Originally posted by: Doctor M
Lol.
I've been interested in this edit based only on your description of what you're doing.
I never found anything in the trailers that gave a sense of what's new/different (which is true for many edits).


Ok, I get you. Well I am withholding most of the changes just to keep things a surprise. That's why I released teasers instead of real trailers. Rather than give anything specific away, I decided to just explain my philosophy towards editing the movies. Basically its to cut out what is lame, campy, and unintentionally unfunny, if it isn't necessary to the plot. Remove any continuity errors. Re-edit scenes if it will intensify the mood or speed up the pace in the action sequences closer to what's expected in modern action films. Improve any effects that I can. Focus more on Kal-el's relationship with Jor-el. Try to bring the entire film down to under 3 hours. And do everything in such a way that someone who isn't very familiar with the movies won't notice that I did anything.

And since I didn't like the way either Superman 2 wrapped up, I created a new, darker ending that fits fairly well with Superman Returns.

I realeased the train chase clip mostly as an example of that philosophy, and to show that I know how to edit. Its good to hear that you didn't notice what was changed!

If you compare it to the original, you'll see that I removed the ugliest running shots. I ramped up the pace a bit, and edited it so that Clark cares about not being seen by the girl's mom. I also removed the sequence aboard the train because:

1. Unless she was blind the mom would have seen Cark, yet she says she doesn't believe the girl.
2. The mom calls the girl Lois. That would mean Los is around 8 or 10 years younger than Clark.
3. It bothers me when movies try to link characters together in the past for no good reason. Lois saw Clark when she was a kid, C3P0 was made by Darth Vader, etc. It just a directors wink at the audience and it pulls me out of a movie.
4. The father tells her she has a "writers gift for invention", another wink at the audience.

And then I released the "De-Fifed" clip just to prove that I could the effects.

I'm very hesitant about releasing anything else. But after the test screening this weekend, I guess I should probably post something new.



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#272803
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Originally posted by: Doctor M
the new footage is live action


I hereby bestow upon you the title of most insane fan editor... ever.


What a coincidence, my wife already thinks I'm the most insane husband ever. She's very tired of staring at the back of my head and hasn't been quiet about it. It doesn't help that she doesn't really understand/appreciate our fascination with the whole fan edit concept. But after being party to what got shot on Saturday, she said she's actually looking forward to seeing the final product, and decided she'd give me "all the time you need" to get it right.

So at least my marriage won't be destroyed by this project.


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#272692
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The Amazing Spider-Man: A Spence Edit (Released)
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Hey Spence, I finally got around to watching this last night, and was very impressed. It's been a while since I saw the original, and I didn't miss anything that you took out. And you didn't leave anything behind that I didn't like. This is going to be the only version that sits on my shelf. Good job! I also passed a copy onto a comic crazy friend of mine who had pretty much the same review.

The only thing that seemed odd was the scene where Spidey and Goblin are fighting in the burning building, then it cuts to Norman in the elevator looking confused. Was that in the original? If it was your edit, can you explain the reasoning?

Excellent job, Spence!
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#272585
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Just a quick update. Yesterday I filmed some new footage that is integral in tying the ending together. It turned out great, and I don't see any reason why it won't fit seamlessly into the movie. I also completed a few more effects shots, also as part of the ending.

Working feverishly toward the test screening next Saturday. Let me know if you want to show up for it!
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#271279
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Originally posted by: Doctor M
I was trying to say that I've been really impressed with a lot of what people are doing with AfterEffects. I'm going to have to give it a look just to keep up.

Edit: I am correct that you used Adobe After Effects, right?


Yeah, that and photoshop. If you want to dip your toes in Aftereffects, I can't recommend this book enough: Creating Motion Graphics with After Effects by Trish and Chris Meyer. They start at the beginner level and go over just about every aspect of the program in a way that is very easily understood. With that, and some ingenuity, there isn't much you can't do with the program. And once you get past the learning curve, it's a lot of fun.

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#270994
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Originally posted by: Doctor M
I'm just afraid I'm going to miss all the nuances of your edit.

That'd be great if that happened! I really want people not to notice that I did anything, just to feel like they're watching a great Superman movie. But I think I will do a commentary that'll go over all of the changes... if I can speak fast enough.

I don't THINK I'd go back and redo those shots, but you made it look so nice.


You should if you get the time. I downloaded your edits after being intrigued by the way you changed the third one, but haven't watched them yet because you said it wasn't completed the way you wanted it.

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#270855
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BTW, I watched SoJ from beginning to end last night, making notes of what's left to do. There are now about 200 items on my to do list. Most are minor issues (audio mix, clunky edits), with about 40 being FX shots. But the good news is no FX shot left should be nearly as complicated as the completed "De-Fife'd" shot that I posted earlier. So even though 8 pages of fixes are still needed, they should go by fairly quickly...

Now I'm just working on getting the important ones done in time for the test screening on the 24th!

-T