Well I’m a cat, but a male cat.
According to this there’s a possibility you might be…female?
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Improving-the-Diversity-of-This-Forum/id/50482
As a male whenever I read posts from here I naturally assume that a majority of the other users here are also male but I know that there are also some female users here just not sure who. A few you can tell by what they post, others not so sure.
So which is it, are you a male or a female?
just on how regeneration was established.
please elaborate.
Not counting the EU, the classic series established 12 regenerations, no more no less, and then that was the end. While the closest thing a Time Lord could control was their appearance; Night of the Doctor comes along claiming to engineer the Doctor to a “warrior” and that the ninth, tenth, and eleventh incarnations were in name only.
With the 2013 Christmas special, the long awaiting of looking forward to the final thirteenth incarnation where his death would be on Trenzalore, the prophecy of
"the oldest question in the universe would be asked…" (Clara read the book w/ the Doctors name in Journey to the Center of the TARDIS then had flashbacks of it in The Name of the Doctor) with the Silence, and the Doctors future encounter with Lorna Bucket was all thrown in the trash when the BBC made the changes in the 50th anniversary special. It was a sorry excuse of trying to wrap it all up.Well they kinda had to do something about a timelord having only 12 regenerations. If they did not, the Doctor would eventually die and the show would be over.
The show was supposed to end after 12. The fact that it was going to have an ending is the core reason why people tuned into it especially I. First off, the Meta-Crisis Doctor was not meant to be an actual regeneration because he didn’t change in appearance and the War Doctor was something clearly not thought through enough. Claiming that Matt Smith was the last incarnation and the Time Lord’s surviving and being the one the prophecy was talking about were last minute changes to keep the show going on forever for the BBC’s own selfish agenda’s.
Also, for a show like this that’s going to be going on forever with no series finale end in sight, what’s the point in continuing to watch it? They could’ve easily rebooted the show after it ended.
I don’t think there’s any reason to necessarily stick with something Robert Holmes came up with (12 regenerations) after the show had already been on the air for 13+ years. This is certainly the first time I’ve ever heard a fan say that the core reason (or a reason) they watched the show is that it was going to have an ending or final regeneration. And I, sometimes against my better judgement, regularly talk to fans of all ages (20-65 or so). People generally see this as the show with a formula that allows it to renew itself forever, and continually change and evolve. Suggesting that it’s ‘the show that’s great because it will have an ending’ is a 100% novel idea to me.
In my opinion, Moffat made the first Tennant non-regeneration count towards the total so that he could dispose of the regeneration limit before handing the show over to the next person. After increasing the count with the War Doctor, this would mean that whomever was in charge at the end of Capaldi’s run (Moffat clearly wanted to leave earlier than he did) would be stuck dealing with some dumb rule Robert Holmes came up with. So rather than have his successor deal with it, he included the hand thing as a regeneration and got it over with.
100% this.
And I’m a huuge Robert Holmes fan. He’s easily one of the top writers the show has ever had (post-Space Pirates at least 😉 ). But even so, he doesn’t get to put a final nail in the show’s coffin even if, as I’ve recently learned, some people are watching mainly to see that nail.
Edit: and as further proof that the show is great because it is flexible, the Holmes ‘12 Rule’ itself did retcon a previous episode. The faces that appear in Brain of Morbius were supposed to be previous incarnations of the Doctor (if anyone wants to argue about that, listen to the audio commentary and ‘making of’ on the DVD. It’s pretty indisputable). This would make Peter Davison’s Doctor #13 and the show would then “have to” wrap it up. Instead we pretend they were incarnations of Morbius.
But even if they had stuck with those being the Doctor’s faces, they simply would have written a way out of the 12 regenerations rule. No matter who ended up being in charge when that limit was hit, the question would have been “how do we write our way out of this one?” and not “well what show should we make now that Doctor Who is done?”.
Yes, but the Brain of Morbius came before The Deadly Assassin where they were still trying to figure regeneration out. The first time with Patrick Troughton it was explained that the renewal was a function of the TARDIS that he couldn’t survive without. With Jon Pertwee it was a simple “change of appearance” forced by the Time Lord’s with no mention of regeneration. Then in Planet of the Spiders is where it was established as a biological function of a Time Lord till The Deadly Assassin where it was explained it could be done 12 times and while it didn’t confirm William Hartnell being the first, it was never spoken onscreen that the faces depicted were previous incarnations even though that was the intention until The Five Doctors where Peter Davidson is called the fifth.
I don’t think most were ready for the show to end anytime soon, so something had to be done, either by the Moffat or whoever came after him. Idea that the Timelords had the power to give the Doctor a who new set of lives is consistent with the original series. Remember the Five Doctors? Remember the Time Lords promising the Master a whole new set of regenerations if he would help them?
First off, the Master had a Trakenite body meaning if they had given him a new set it would be in a new Time Lord body allowing him to have a new set of regenerations because of it’s biology. This was how it worked in Utopia when the Master was resurrected in The Time War in a new Time Lord body giving him a whole new set of regenerations because of it’s biology.
Wasn’t the limit on regenerations imposed by the Time Lords themselves? If they’re not around to enforce it, and the Doctor is a “renegade” to begin with…
Unless you’re reading the EU and before the retcons, the regeneration limit is a biological function of a Time Lord. It wasn’t imposed by them it’s just in their biology.
The Time Lord’s not being around and the Doctor being a renegade means the rules of spacetime don’t apply to the universe meaning spacetime is in a flux where anything can change.
I don’t think when they established the 12 regenerations rule, that they realized the show would go on as long as it has. It’s been shown in the classic show that The Master got around these boundaries, and I don’t think there was any big plan leading up to the final incarnation, seeing as the rule was established nearly 40 years before the payoff. I don’t understand this complaint at all.
Yes but The Master didn’t get a whole new cycle, he body-swapped and continued to do it till the Doctor Who movie.
When they established the rule, no there wasn’t any big plan leading up to a finale and there never was but it was made very clear that the thirteenth incarnation would be the last and they continued to make the show up as it went along.
It was not his place to tackle the problem.
Then whose was it? I’m just glad it was addressed at all. The other solution would be to simply ignore it. Ending a popular show because an earlier episode decades earlier made a silly rule is simply nonsensical.
Whoever the writer would’ve been for the thirteenth incarnation is the one who would’ve tackled the problem, but they grew impatient with this and did it with Matt Smith who was as stated the Eleventh Doctor before they retconned it.
just on how regeneration was established.
please elaborate.
Not counting the EU, the classic series established 12 regenerations, no more no less, and then that was the end. While the closest thing a Time Lord could control was their appearance; Night of the Doctor comes along claiming to engineer the Doctor to a “warrior” and that the ninth, tenth, and eleventh incarnations were in name only.
With the 2013 Christmas special, the long awaiting of looking forward to the final thirteenth incarnation where his death would be on Trenzalore, the prophecy of
"the oldest question in the universe would be asked…" (Clara read the book w/ the Doctors name in Journey to the Center of the TARDIS then had flashbacks of it in The Name of the Doctor) with the Silence, and the Doctors future encounter with Lorna Bucket was all thrown in the trash when the BBC made the changes in the 50th anniversary special. It was a sorry excuse of trying to wrap it all up.Well they kinda had to do something about a timelord having only 12 regenerations. If they did not, the Doctor would eventually die and the show would be over.
The show was supposed to end after 12.
It was??? I’ve never heard this before.
IIRC, regeneration was written into the show because it wasn’t supposed to end. I mean, if the only reason to have a show is for it to end, why didn’t Who end in 1966?
The show didn’t end in 1966 because the process of replacing an actor with another one in the same role was a very common solution back then even to this day (James Bond, Darrin Stephens, Lily Munster). They used the concept of “regeneration” to explain the change so that it would make more sense to the viewer especially for a sci-fi show (although for Patrick Troughton it was explained that the TARDIS reversed the Doctor’s clock making him younger). Then The Deadly Assassin established 12 regenerations total for 13 incarnations after which a Time Lord would suffer permanent death. This meant that at the end of the Doctor’s thirteenth incarnation he would suffer a permanent death and no mention of getting a whole new cycle was made till Steven Moffat and the BBC retconned it so that they could keep the show going on forever.
Honestly, Matt Smith was made to be the last regeneration because Moffat wanted to solve the problem himself. He’s introduced so many characters and ideas that are intended to be the most important things in the Doctor’s being (River Song, Clara, “that sound is the parking brake”, regenerating into different races/genders, the 50th, etc. etc.) that it’s only natural he would want to tackle that problem too.
I’m only speculating, though.
It was not his place to tackle the problem. I remember an interview with Peter Davidson, Colin Baker, and Sylvester McCoy where Peter Davidson said when he met Steven Moffat after the specials aired he shook his hand then whispered into his ear “What have you done?”.
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just on how regeneration was established.
please elaborate.
Not counting the EU, the classic series established 12 regenerations, no more no less, and then that was the end. While the closest thing a Time Lord could control was their appearance; Night of the Doctor comes along claiming to engineer the Doctor to a “warrior” and that the ninth, tenth, and eleventh incarnations were in name only.
With the 2013 Christmas special, the long awaiting of looking forward to the final thirteenth incarnation where his death would be on Trenzalore, the prophecy of
"the oldest question in the universe would be asked…" (Clara read the book w/ the Doctors name in Journey to the Center of the TARDIS then had flashbacks of it in The Name of the Doctor) with the Silence, and the Doctors future encounter with Lorna Bucket was all thrown in the trash when the BBC made the changes in the 50th anniversary special. It was a sorry excuse of trying to wrap it all up.Well they kinda had to do something about a timelord having only 12 regenerations. If they did not, the Doctor would eventually die and the show would be over.
The show was supposed to end after 12. The fact that it was going to have an ending is the core reason why people tuned into it especially I. First off, the Meta-Crisis Doctor was not meant to be an actual regeneration because he did not change in appearance and the War Doctor was something that was clearly not haven through enough. Claiming that Matt Smith was the last incarnation and the Time Lord’s surviving and being the one the prophecy was talking about were last minute changes to keep the show going on forever for the BBC’s own selfish agenda’s.
Also, for a show like this that’s going to be going on forever with no series finale end in sight, what’s the point in continuing to watch it? They could’ve easily rebooted the show after it ended.
just on how regeneration was established.
please elaborate.
Not counting the EU, the classic series established 12 regenerations, no more no less, and then that was the end. While the closest thing a Time Lord could control was their appearance; Night of the Doctor comes along claiming to engineer the Doctor into a “warrior” and that the ninth, tenth, and eleventh incarnations were in name only.
With the 2013 Christmas special, the long awaiting of looking forward to the final thirteenth incarnation where his death would be on Trenzalore, the prophecy of
"the oldest question in the universe would be asked…" (Clara read the book w/ the Doctors name in Journey to the Center of the TARDIS then had flashbacks of it in The Name of the Doctor) with the Silence, and the Doctors future encounter with Lorna Bucket was all thrown in the trash when the BBC made the changes in the 50th anniversary special. It was a sorry excuse of trying to wrap it all up.
After I watched the 50th anniversary and 2013 christmas specials, I swore to myself that I was never going to watch the show again and I’ve never looked back.
You didn’t like the 50th anniversary special? why?
I’ll try to give the short version.
It came off to me as something that was heavily studio influenced by the BBC to keep the show going on forever for their own selfish agendas by retconning nearly everything Russel T Davies and the classic series established.
It retconned nearly everything from the classic series??? How so?
My mistake, not everything from the classic series, just on how regeneration was established.
I also didn’t like the idea of the War Doctor.
Yeah, but it’s John Hurt!
It didn’t matter to me. The War Doctor was a terrible idea on Steven Moffat’s part that retconned what Russel T Davies established and it seemed to me that the BBC brought John Hurt in to “sweeten” the idea.
After I watched the 50th anniversary and 2013 christmas specials, I swore to myself that I was never going to watch the show again and I’ve never looked back.
You didn’t like the 50th anniversary special? why?
I’ll try to give the short version.
It came off to me as something that was heavily studio influenced by the BBC to keep the show going on forever for their own selfish agendas by retconning nearly everything Russel T Davies and the classic series established.
I also didn’t like the idea of the War Doctor.
Also, nothing of what you see in the 2013 Christmas special is what Steven Moffat (who ruined the show) had in mind for the eleventh doctor era from the beginning.
After I watched the 50th anniversary and 2013 christmas specials, I swore to myself that I was never going to watch the show again and I’ve never looked back.
It’s been four months now. What’s the progress on this project?
Michael Winslow from the Police Academy movies doing SW sound effects.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gBWmcmIfN98
Rogue One isn’t a prequel but more of an interquel.
What if in the future the SW fan community does succeed in convincing Disney to release the OUT in 4K but then 10-15 years later when 8k(4320p) is released Disney, for whatever reason, chooses not to budge on releasing it like they are now. What then?
Is it a good idea to show ANH:R to children as their first SW experience?
I can already envision it: the audience will have mixed reviews about IX when it’s released, then as time goes on they’ll realize the film wasn’t that great to begin with to where the faneditors will have to step in to fix it.
I hope that what happened with Phil Lord and Chris Miller on the Han Solo film will end up happening to Colin Trevorrow and Derek Connolly.
I have to admit that the wampa looks too good to be used for just the cave scenes.
I hope this works.
there is a pretty damn good Wampa full-body costume on sale here in Norway in my local antique, movie-geek store.
Could you take a picture of it?
Instead of it opening with the SW logo for ESB and ROTJ, have the film’s start with the official logo’s of ESB and ROTJ.
I see we both think alike.
I’ll bring my suggestion of replacing the Star Wars logo with the movie logo, then recoloring the crawl for each movie.
Shouldn’t the change list be updated by removing #12
