Tallguy

crissrudd4554 said:

Although I prefer the stereo mix just cause I like most here am just used it, one thing that I do like about the mono mix is what I assumed were SE audio changes were in fact carry overs from the mono mix. Now when I hear those bits I don’t hear with as much cringing as I had done before.

I thought I was going to have to eat some crow over liking the mono but disliking the SE. Fortunately all of the boops and beeps in the Falcon cockpit (the change that sticks out most in my mind) seem to be from the SE, so I’m still (mostly) pure. I hope. 😃

I just realized that it’s been nearly 20 years since I saw the SEs! (Whenever they came out on VHS.)

Possessed said:

Not defending the prequels but that isn’t necessarily true. Showing anakins son learning what the force is for the first time is worthwhile even if the audience already knows.

I have no complaints that it is explained in Star Wars. They cover much of the same ground (almost word for word) in Empire as well. But it isn’t explained even once in the PT. So if you watch 1-6 you don’t get an explanation of the Force for four movies! Talk about a slow burn!

crissrudd4554 said:

Ryan-SWI said:

Tallguy said:

(with the mono soundtrack for Star Wars).

Is there a reason for this? Genuinely interested, I actually still haven’t properly sat through Harmy’s edits in full or looked into them too much.

Not my video but this video does show some examples between the mono and stereo mixes.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aeXpcYcZNDw

Ben Burtt said in an interview that at the time they purposely added and changed more things in the mono mix because at the time they thought it would become the default mix. Keep in mind many major studio films as well as most if not all television programming was still being mixed in mono at the time so this wasn’t necessarily a dumb decision on their part. But low and behold they reverted to the stereo mix for the video releases and it’s only in recent years through these fan edits and preservations that fans have been able to discover this very rare and different mono mix.

Thanks for the link. There are many things about the mono mix that I just like. For one thing, I’m 99% certain that this was the mix that I heard in 1977. (I saw it four times, but I was eight!) I vividly remember “Close the blast doors” and I remember the audience laughing at “Open the blast doors!” I don’t remember Beru sounding the way she does in mono at all, but it is a much more natural sounding dub then the terrible dub in stereo. There are a few beeps and boops that sound much more like what I remember from the cinema. (When they turn on the Falcon’s targeting computer in the TIE fighter attack is one.) The Death Star voice (“The death star will be in firing range…”) sounds bad-ass. Just a guy doing his job. I miss the radio filter on the rebel pilots, but ah well.

Oh, and Luke says “Blast it WEDGE where are you?” right after Wedge says he’s on his way. In stereo he’s asking after Biggs. What, Wedge isn’t good enough for you, farm boy?

Funny thing about the blast doors. When the SE came out and restored “Close the blast doors” I had very mixed feelings. I was glad the line was back but it sounded wrong. Like they had used a different take or something. Last year I found out that The Story of Star Wars record (which I played into the ground in 1978) used the mono. And it used exactly that take! So much for my amazing memory!

I wonder what people would think of Hayden Ghost if the prequels were better liked? Would it be a lovely call back to a successful series of films? But it isn’t. And Sebastian just makes more sense. It’s a straight line from Vader’s unmasking and death scene to his ghost.

Give me Sebastian and Yub Nub, thank you. I don’t think Victory Celebration is a particularly fitting piece of music. Yub Nub doesn’t hold a candle to Throne Room or The Rebel Fleet, but it sounds like the movie and it fits the visuals. The “teddy bear picnic” isn’t really the focus. The joy and relief of our heroes is. (Hell, Wedge even gets an appearance.) I don’t like Lapti Nek either, but it doesn’t yank me out of the movie the way Jedi Rocks does.

And I HATE the scenes of the other planets for reasons detailed at length by other wiser posters.

I can’t resist: If you could watch episodes 1-6 in order then all the exposition about the Force wouldn’t be in 4!

crissrudd4554 said:

Sometimes you have to wonder if Lucas predicted that within a few years that VHS would be obsolete and thus the unavailability of the OUT would become a reality, at least until he gave into studio pressure in 2006. You have to remember DVD didnt exist yet when the ‘Faces’ sets were released.

He did. He said as much in 1996.

My watching habits are almost exclusively Harmy’s Despecialized Edition (with the mono soundtrack for Star Wars). Every once in a while I watch either Silver Screen or Adywan’s.

Gaffer Tape said:

Darth Id said:

Hardcore Legend said:

Tobar said:

Yeah, I can’t watch the movie without that line in it. It’s my favorite gag in the film.

It, along with the stormtrooper bashing his head off the door only to later have the sound effect added.

Did they really do this?

I remember the first time I noticed that guy smack his helmed forehead, probably on approx. my 75th viewing of the film.
Ever since, I can’t see anything else.
God that actor musta felt like an asshole. It probably really hurt—he hits that shit pretty hard!

Yeah, the sound was added in for the 2004 DVD release to tie in with another gag that ties back into this one. In AotC, they made a callback to this by having Jango Fett bang his head on the door of Slave I. And so now the comedy is that Jango’s clumsy DNA got into the Stormtrooper vats! Har har har!

Wow. Seriously? I mean, there was always a comlink sound that coincided with the poor guy cracking his bucket.

What I never realized after decades of missing “Close the blast doors!” on the home video releases is that it’s on the Story of Star Wars.

We’re not re-branding. Los Angeles declared this Star Wars day back in 2007. The big 10th anniversary convention back in 1987 (when Lucas, Kershner, Marquand, AND Roddenberry appeared on stage together) was not around may 4th.

Before the dark times. Before May the 4th.

Happy Star Wars day everyone!

Mavimao said:

I just love that on the current mix, you can actually hear the quiet, when R2 is lonely, going through the canyon. I played the original mix and it’s FULL of hiss and totally brittle, so it’s fun now to hear it like George wanted it to really be, what was intended.

Well, my memories of 1977 is how wonderfully that scene stands out, BECAUSE of the quiet. So I guess it worked even then. When I think of what it’s like to watch the OT in the theater I almost always think of that scene. (Don’t judge me.)

schorman13 said:

Why so defensive?

Well, it’s been a long day.

doubleofive said:

I'm just spitballing here, but for most of the trillions of people's lifetimes, the Jedi are just 10,000 guys who hang out with famous people. The Jedi were getting insular, because their ability to use the Force was diminishing. Or their ability was diminishing because they were getting insular.

I suppose I can buy this.

But one of the only things I liked about the PT (that went out the window after TPM) was when the Jedi just showed up the bad guys said "We will not survive this."  That's how amazing they were.

I'm re-reading the original Star Wars novel.  Ben kind of has that vibe in the book as well.

This is another reason that I never bought the whole "You can't kill me to save the universe because then you'll be just like ME!  Bwahahahahaha!" nonsense from Empire and Jedi.

Back on topic, it wasn't a new thing this week, but those cloudscapes in last weeks Rebels, and the wide shot of the Old Republic tank were so Ralph McQuarie it made me giggle like an eight year old.  I loved it.

"For over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic.  But nobody ever met one."

Going strictly by Star Wars, the Jedi Knights were around when Luke was born.  Or at the latest shortly before.  So since 1977 it's only been twenty-ish years between Luke's father's death and Star Wars.  So it's not like this was a prequel thing.  If anything you might argue that the fall of the Jedi was even LATER in Luke's lifetime.

Ryan McAvoy said:

I also liked that in Rebels the Jedi are talked about in a way that suggests they are older history, rather than recent memory. Rebels doesn't directly contradict the ludicrously small gap between the Jedis-galore!-PT-era and 2-Jedis-left-OT-era but it doesn't confirm it either (Probably that wasn't by design, just happy accident).

 Well, Ezra was born on the day the Jedi fell and he's 15.  And Kanan is a survivor of the original Jedi.  So that's pretty explicit.

Did anyone catch that Kevin Kiner (music) did a pretty nice Jaws riff when they were chasing the sand monster?  I was grinning like a six year old.  I love this show!

DuracellEnergizer said:

As far as I know, only the stormtrooper who bumped his head against that door in SW was officially retconned into being a mini-Jango. 

 Seriously?

"I've been waiting for you Obi-Wan.  And boy are my arms tired!"

Interdictor cruisers and Mon Calamari inventing the B-Wing are pretty bedrock EU, btw.

They're not going to show two weeks of The Siege of Lothal again, are they?

I suppose more Vader was probably too much to hope for.  BUT HE WAS SO AWESOME!

Also: Now with 100% more Clancy Brown!

Bingowings said:

Ridley Scott is still a strong visual director but he allowed himself to be associated with a script mangled to death by Lindelof.

I like Super8 and Cloverfield but his first Star Trek is as bad/good as any TNG movie and the second one is truly painful in places. He didn't write the screenplay but he allowed himself to be closely associated with it. He is allowing himself to be closely associated with TFA.

See... unpumpable :-D

I still want to be wrong.

 You win the "post I agree with most" award today!

John Doom said:

My only concerns are all about its genre: if it's your usual Marvel-style blockbuster, I'm not interested, being to me basically the same movie over and over again since the first X-Men movie. Also Abrams: I admit I haven't seen any of his Star Trek movies, but his Mission Impossible 3 was bad enough to me that I'm just a little concerned that TFA will be another action-packed-special-full-of-special-effects-with-ridiculous-plot-twists movie, and... Mr. Verta's rumors about TFA make my concerns actually legit by now.

Guess I'll have to wait and see for myself :D

 What are the Verta rumors?

I loved M:I 3.  I HATED Into Darkness.

Not EXACTLY on topic...

For nearly twenty years my brothers and I talked about "Close the blast doors" which got a big laugh all four times we saw Star Wars in 77/78.  Then it was never on home video and people told us we were nuts.

Then Lucas put it back into the SE.  And I thought it sounded all wrong.  The delivery was just totally off from what I remembered.

Just last year someone pointed out that it's on the Story of Star Wars.  Which explains why it stuck with me all those years.  I certainly heard that album more times than I saw the movie before it was on home video.

Of course the delivery on the album was exactly the same as in the SE.  So much for my memory.

doubleofive said:

Watched all of Rebels this week. I really enjoy it. It's Clone Wars mixed with the OT mixed with Firefly.

I do wonder how they're going to end it eventually, because having two fully trained Jedi and a kid with 5 years experience on Luke would probably come up in conversations during the OT. ;-)

You're not the first to spot the Firefly vibe.

My brother and I say it's the animated version of our old RPG sessions.  Everyone is kind of on the fringes of the Star Wars story, you can't run into Luke, there's a lot of inexplicable almost-Jedi.  At least they haven't gone to Tatooine.  (Yet.)

It's my favorite Star Wars since 1980.  And it's the coolest Vader has been ever.

Then I'll be right where I was in 2002.

Lightsaber fights in PM.  Love theme from Attack of the Clones.  Anakin's theme.  Ewan McGreggor.

I think I'm done.  I suppose I could add Liam Neeson.  But I think I'll just watch Batman Begins instead.