Tack

The ABC cut of The Search for Spock that you’re referring to is not extended but actually hideously cut down. Reportedly, the original editing (and this survives in the comic adaptation from DC, by the way) made it so that the Grissom material takes up most of the first act with little cutaways to the other characters until the stuff with the Enterprise in the 2nd act. However, they (rightfully, IMO) decided that it would be stronger to focus on the Enterprise crew for the first third.

Now, the ABC cut does open with the Grissom like the script… But that’s because they apparently cut off everything that happens before.

By the way, there are also records of workprints being shown for both The Wrath of Khan and The Voyage Home. I’ll try and look for the list of extensions for The Wrath of Khan. I saved it a long time ago.

Edit: Here it is.
A few seconds of footage were cut from the simulator scene.
A brief snippet of deleted footage from the scene where Kirk receives his copy of ‘A Tale of Two Cities’ including the statement of Saavik being half-Romulan. Additionally, Spock asks if Kirk is feeling oppressed by something.
A longer take of the McCoy/glasses scene.
Chekov originally had a different log entry, designating he was duty officer. This was redubbed after the workprint.
Carol and David originally had a longer scene with each other, likely more exposition about either Genesis or Kirk.
Chekov spotting a child in the Botany Bay window, and knocking him and Terrell off of a cliff. While the workprint did not reportedly include this take, this scene was controversial in magazines for putting a stuntman in blackface for one take.
Terrell finding Khan’s baby in the Botany Bay.
Marla McGivers is mentioned by name in Khan’s speech.
The Ceti Eel scene was originally a little longer and more graphic. I believe the Director’s Cut has hints of this.
Kyle and Beach (of the Reliant) attempt a rescue, but Terrell (under the eel’s power) convinces them to beam aboard Khan’s crew.
Like the first film, Spock and Saavik originally spoke English in their conversation. This was redubbed after the workprint.
A scene detailing Sulu’s promotion. This is the one George Takei claims Shatner deliberately sabotaged with bad acting- those who have seen it say that was quite obviously the case.
Reportedly, the workprint essentially used the entirety of the Star Trek: The Motion Picture launch scene. This was cut down for the theatrical version.
An alternate take of the scene of the scientists arguing, unsure whether the workprint used the theatrical or director’s cut version.
Carol’s narration during the Genesis tape scene was changed to give a different explanation of the Genesis effect (it was to provide implication that Spock could return).
An alternate take of the discussion in Kirk’s quarters. I believe the workprint was closer to the Director’s Cut.
Kirk had a line about Chekov during the first Reliant encounter.
Scotty is seen telling the other engineers to stay at their posts.
The original cut of the Enterprise’s attack had Khan moving across the bridge shouting at Kirk. This can be seen in an early convention reel.
At one point Kirk recalls the “blind as a Tiberian bat” line while orbiting Regula 1.
McCoy reveals he had worked with Terrell.
The scene of David attacking Kirk was reshot at the studio’s consent. The original featured David leaping out of a cargo container, pulling a knife on Kirk, and actually winning their brawl (this can be seen in the Starlog magazine coverage for the film). This actually reflects a major script change. Reportedly, Kirk had NO idea of his relation to David and learned of it in this scene. The insert shots in the final edit are easy to notice.

Now, this all is more speculatory. The public screening of this workprint cut out during the final battle, right as Spock gets up to go to engineering. The rest of the film included:

A scene showing McCoy working on Chekov’s ear during the final space fight. David is shown to be anxious to get to the bridge.
Chekov later wakes up and demands to be taken to the bridge, David takes the opportunity to follow.
A scene of Khan’s baby in the transporter room next to the detonating Genesis device.
Khan’s final reaction shot before the Reliant’ destruction was cut.
The original funeral scene was slightly longer.
The scene between David and Kirk had different dialogue initially, redubbed at the studio’s consent. “I should be on the bridge” “Are you running away from me?” "I suppose I was."
There was brief scene cut out between Saavik and David on the bridge, paving the way for a later romance.
The original ending lacked all scenes taking place on the Genesis planet, making it seem as if Spock really was dead. Meyer reshot it after studio pressure and a bad test screening. The original edit is referenced on the expanded soundtrack release.

So, um… What happened to this HD broadcast of the TPM theatrical version? Those screenshots on the previous page look nearly immaculate and even though I hate the movie I want the theater version to survive in good quality.

Swazzy said:

DrDre said:

Love these colors in paticular. Tried my hand at the usual…

Blu:

Regrade:

Compare

LUT

Lo and behold, Threepio’s gold!!

Jesta’ said:

(J J and his anti prequel boner)

Bullshit!

You tell me how it makes sense for a second that she’d have that flag in her possession. And don’t try and justify it with some other piece of media explaining the flag’s origin. In the context of the film, it’s Anakin’s flag and nothing else. I think it’s a change that makes sense.

That, and I think you’re overestimating how much the prequels would really have an influence on the current state of affairs in the in-universe galaxy. Or are you complaining about lack of world-building while also arguing they should visit more planets we’ve already seen before!?

There is no way that the Mono Mix is just a different take. That’s a whole new woman. Considering the rest of the audio errors the mix corrects, I bet they decided the original voice was just a bit off-sounding for her and decided to redub her entirely.

That makes me wonder something else… Considering the sheer amount of new ADR in the Mono Mix, is it at all possible that there was another recording session that took place after release?

There are some shots that look more “right” to me in those corrections than almost any version I’ve ever seen before.

This just looks “right” to me. I especially love those shots in the Tantive engine room. It actually looks like it’s in the shadows! And the conference room scene, with that deep saturation and rich blacks.

I like this thread very much.

Vladius said:

Tack said:
Also, side note; I would actually want to remove the sequence with the little girl during the Jehda City siege. In the whole movie that was the only cliché that made me groan a bit. We don’t need that to tell us that Jyn’s a good person at heart. It comes across through the rest of the film just fine.

That’s actually one of the best parts of the movie, for me. Jyn has such limited character development, and that’s part of it.
*It shows the trauma of war.
*It shows part of why Saw’s rebels are considered radicals - they don’t care about collateral damage.
*There’s not actually a lot establishing that Jyn is a good person up to that point.
*Jyn has wide eyes, partially out of surprise and concern, but also because she identifies with the little girl - abandoned (twice) as a child in the middle of a war.
*It’s sadder when the Death Star blows up Jedha City later, because we see some of its civilians as well as its fighters. It also builds the scope and threat of the Death Star - even if you save individual people, shoot stormtroopers, and do important things, it can all be wiped away in an instant.

You certainly make a better case for it. I guess my main anger was at its clichéd use I’ve seen in other films. It definitely has no real effect on my enjoyment on the film as a whole; it should just say something that in the whole film that was one of my only real gripes.

MalàStrana said:

TV’s Frink said:

Total ANH rehash.

You’ve become so predictable, always rehashing the same forced sarcasm about Disney’s movies blatant issues. Get over it dude…

…

I sincerely hope you’re joking.

Or that you see the irony.

Also, side note; I would actually want to remove the sequence with the little girl during the Jehda City siege. In the whole movie that was the only cliché that made me groan a bit. We don’t need that to tell us that Jyn’s a good person at heart. It comes across through the rest of the film just fine.

Through a couple viewings, I think it could be pretty easy; change the reaction shots out so it looks like she gets the idea to huddle against the tank to get some shots in, and make it look like that’s what Cassian is advising her against.

The only other thing I’d like to try is taking some of the music out. I think the scene with her atop the spire would play way better silent than with the score that’s there now.

I actually like King’s Han for completely different reasons than Ford’s Han. It seems to me like instead of just being as cool as Han actually is, he’s just trying to be as cool as him and is not doing a great job of it.

I think the only voice I actually don’t like is the Frank Ziffel-sounding Uncle Owen. That or not-British Fixer.

Also, Brock Peters as Darth Vader is definitely an acquired taste, but I grew to love him.

I now realize how few of you have listened to the radio drama…

I am sad now.

doubleofive said:

I wonder why IDW is involved.

I think they’re big on these kind of archives. Those big hardcover collections of the Star Trek comic strips were by them, as are a good many other collections of classic comic strips (Flash Gordon, Miss Fury, etc.)

I’d be rather surprised if they weren’t involved, honestly.

https://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Classic-Newspaper-Comics/dp/1631408720/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1482249120&sr=8-1&keywords=star+wars+comic+strips

This is pretty big! This isn’t to be confused with the paperback version; that’s publishing the Classic Star Wars versions from Dark Horse.

What this is is a complete printing of the original strip, in its original format no less, with all the things you’d get if you’d collected the original newspaper clippings. While we do have those incredibly expensive Russ Cochran sets for the Williamson/Goodwin era, this is the first time that the Russ Manning era strips are being released in their original form (with fantastic stories like “Tattooine Sojourn” and “Gambler’s World”, I might add), but considering that this is only Volume One in a series, this likely means that the Williamson/Goodwin era will also, for the first time, get their original color sequences printed as well!

So, discuss. What are your all’s thoughts on this? I’ll start; I’m extremely glad that Marvel has the license for Star Wars comics now. Dark Horse never brought out something like this.

Nice to see Armond White still getting work.

Oh, wait, even he isn’t this “edgy”. This is just painful.

Molly said:

I wonder how much of the RIC can be upgraded with the materials we have, keeping in mind that some of the footage common to the Donner Cut and the RIC is processed differently between the two (something I learned during a previous attempt many years ago).

Well, Booshman did manage to sort of reconstruct the extended breakup scene from the TV cut, and reconstruct it pretty well. Somebody also managed to do the TV version of Lex’s Fortress of Solitude scene, and also the extended version of the Metropolis battle. It’s possible, if not very difficult, to composite the missing bits of the TV footage with the widescreen bits from the 2006 DVD and so on.

I knew it!! I knew this existed!!!

On the 2006 DVD set, there’s a few sections from the TV cut which have completely different sound mixes to the ACTUAL Restored International Cut. This includes the soufflé scene and the Non killing Boy scene.

What’s this new Jor-El stuff? Is it Lex and him actually talking to each other like in the script/theatrical version?

Dreamaster said:

Update (Version 10!)
So taking something Poita and Willrob mentioning to me into consideration about the green snow and the green ending credits, I realized I actually could adjust the hue even more, throw up the saturation levels still high but then back off the red channel considerably. It might not be “accurate” but I really enjoy this version.

Thoughts?

This is the single most beautiful treatment I have ever seen this film receive.

This is my new standard. How can it get better than this? I don’t think it can. As far as I’m concerned, this is my new benchmark.

God help me, I just noticed something else horrible about the SE changes…

So, I was flipping through The Making of Star Wars, and they actually have a shot of the workprint that John Williams used during the scoring sessions. The shot in question is from the ‘Standing By’ sequence, with the fighters flying by Yavin… Except the moon is in the background! Tucked under the planet no less. I thought that it was strange, since I’d never seen that in the original, and lo and behold, it wasn’t! I checked Despecialized, and the shot was just how I remembered it, with no moon to be seen. They must have realized that in a spacial sense it made no sense that you could see the moon while the fighters were very clearly on a linear path for the Death Star. So, for the final composite, they removed the moon element entirely!

I have a question, then…

WHY IS THE MOON THERE IN THE SPECIAL EDITION!!?!??

Edit: Uploaded proof on imgur: http://imgur.com/gallery/mSQEb

I hadn’t seen the original Ghostbusters until last night. Unfortunately I did see the remake in theaters because of my mom. She hated it. We all hated it. I also saw a bit of the sequel on TV recently. That was also pretty bad.

We didn’t hate this one. It was good. Actually funny without resorting to just making everyone as stupid as possible. I thought the hype would kill it for me. It didn’t.

I also realize the new casting was based on stereotypes; the ‘normal’ one, the teddy bear, the brains… and the black one. Not based on characters, on stereotypes. And that the plot of the new one is just the plot of the good one just with no explanation.

In short, it made me like the old one more and hate the new one even more.

Has the shortened “NOOOOO” ever even been confirmed?

suspiciouscoffee said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

And yet they still lack anti-aging medicine …

If you want a movie about anti-aging remedies in space, go watch Star Trek: Insurrection.

Actually, don’t do that, you’ll wanna tear your eyes and ears out and shove them in a blender.

Oh, hey. Someone who hates that movie as much as me.

Wow… He really did have some good ideas here. I’m shocked how many of these backstories I actually really love! Like, pretty much all of them except for the way the force works…

TV’s Frink said:

I once avoided a fight in high school by playing Trivia Pursuit, does that count?

If you challenged the aggressor to a game of Trivial Pursuit in lieu of a fight… Yes.

So… The myth that Lucas conceived the ‘saga’ as one unified whole is one that really boils my blood, because it leads to these very close-minded view. I’ve encountered a certain breed of fan that believes TFA is offensive by its mere existence because it violates the original six-part structure that Lucas intended.

Bullcrap.

The people on this board are generally more knowledgeable than that, so I’m wondering… Has trivia ever won an argument for you?

Here’s an example: at the Midland marathon, there was someone in conversation who brought up the whole "Leia was the ‘other’ " argument. I was eager to step in and mention the original sister storyline from '78.

none said:

User: https://twitter.com/housetohalf has two screen shots.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpNSMQHUEAA2LWH.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpOagRAUMAAnW4o.jpg

See what I mean? The Blu-Ray has this weird “blueberries and cream” complexion for everything. Those two definitely look like what I remember! It was very golden, very appealing (to me, anyway).

SilverWook said:

I never thought of it that way. Whoa.

That was actually going to happen.

I’ve seen a page from one of the books which had a page from ROTS when Palpatine reveals himself to Anakin. Originally, it went way further… Infuriatingly so.

Palpatine actually says “You can think of me as your father”, IIRC

I have no words.

Only unyielding rage.