- Post
- #698027
- Topic
- More Miniatures and models in each Star Wars prequels than entire OT
- Link
- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/698027/action/topic#698027
- Time
You know, that's fair.
You know, that's fair.
This is one of the top comments.
Lee TLC said:
Look at all the assholes below hating on the hard work done to create this film. They act like it was their story to tell, like they could have done better. Guess what, this was Lucas' film and his world. You don't like it? get over it. Any other director would have made it bad. If you think the prequels were already bad, any other director would have made it worse.
Muppets Most Wanted
I feel like it was very rushed. It breezed by.
I can't say I hated it at all, but I also can't say that it's my favorite of their movies either (that honor goes to the original Muppet movie)
I'll start with the main problem for me; the Gulag. I don't like the direction they took. They made it into a friendly environment rather quickly.
I feel like the inmates should have had it out for Kermit the whole time, and that Tina Fey (or whatever her character's name was) should have been downplayed.
Also, the ending had the perfect set up for an ending like The Producers, with the whole gang imprisoned but still singing their song.
Also, the relatively pointless stuff. Like the random 'searching' montage that lasts only a couple seconds and makes no sense.
Walter is utterly useless. He could have been replaced with any other member of the gang and no change would be necessary.
And, the whole show subplot should have been exchanged for some more elaborate escape scene (there were many other possibilities)
I feel like the early scenes with the gang should have been put later into the movie, considering we don't have very much time to get to know them before they're at each other's throats.
The message feels like it was tacked on.
Now, there were things that I really enjoyed.
The opening scene was quite a nice way to start (although it begs the question of what happened to the last film's costars)
I loved every second of the scenes with Sam and the Interpol agent.
The soundtrack was mostly good (except for the Gulag ones), and this is my favorite song in the film.
I wished Animal's role was bumped up even more (a running gag with him trying to attack Constantine, maybe), but I thought he was overall good.
Ricky Gervais was certainly interesting, since I don't believe he's been cast in a part like this before.
I don't know what to say really, I could just list things I liked and didn't like?
Um...
I don't know what to say.
Just...
How does one get that accent anyway?
^Second.
Sadako said:
M. Night approached Michael and Bryan and said 'I want to make a live-action film version of your show--my entire family loves it'. Then they proceeded to allow M. Night to also write the film, instead of doing the screenplay themselves.
You know, if he had just been director, I don't think the film would be as universally reviled.
The cinematography is not the problem, it's the writing. The script is one of the most ineloquent I've ever come across.
Some other professional writer (not necessarily Bryke) should have written it.
Sorry to go off on a tangent, I just only recently watched the film, and the script was the second biggest problem.
The first was editing.
I was mainly talking in the reviews department. Remember, there were those who gave the prequels good reviews.
You know, the metaphor doesn't really hold up that well. Forget I said anything...
Lucas to me is like the successful version of M. Night Shyamalan.
Lucas' early films like SW, American Graffiti, or Indiana Jones, are essentially his The Sixth Sense and Unbreakables.
Lucas has not had his The Last Airbender or After Earth.
The prequels were Lucas' Signs and Lady in the Water, and Red Tails was his The Happening.
I wonder if Rick McCallum is in real life like he is in the interviews or if he's just trying to save his job by not saying the truth of what he thinks.
In July, for two weeks, I shall be studying Arthur, King of Britain at Truman University.
I've already gotten a copy of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight.
OBI-WAN37 said:
adywan said:
OBI-WAN37 said:
There are more miniatures and models in each Star Wars prequels than entire OT. The whole "there's too much CGI" is not true. I've seen people comment on TFN saying they prefer the original trilogy but still know there are more models and miniatures in the PT.
Oh no, this same old tired argument again. I really wish the Prequelites would at least do a little research before they start spouting this same crap over and over again to try and make the prequels sound great and that it wasn't overused CG
While it maybe true that there were more models/ miniatures built for the prequels. But "built" and "screen used" are two completely different things. There is also a huge difference between using a miniature for a set piece/ location and actually building a set or filming at a real location.The OT was shot using real full sets. Filmed at locations. And NOT against a greenscreen or just a partial set that would need all the blanks filling in later. In the OT, for vehicles/ ships etc either a full scale set was built or for action sequences a miniature was built and filmed. For the PT, ONLY Phantom menace used models for these things. AOTC & ROTS, every vehicle/ ship was created in a computer. In fact whole sequences were created with 90%-100% CG. These same scenes could have easily have used models and costumed actors. But no, they decided to create it in a computer. I'm surprised that AOTC and ROTS didn't get a nomination in the best animated feature category. For example.....
The only thing that existed in the real world was the ground. Everything else was created in a computer.
Just click on that picture and look at it in full-rez. It looks like a bloody cartoon. That shot is 100% CG and it shows. At least have the foreground characters be real costumed actors to add a little realism into the shot
Again, 100% CG. They even had models of the Trade Federation ships from TPM but went the digital route instead.
So the complaints about the overuse of CG is well justified.They did actually have a huge amount of real models that were screen used in the prequels. You can see them all in this thread ( http://boards.theforce.net/threads/practical-effects-in-the-prequels-sets-pictures-models-etc.50017310/ ) To name just a few: the AATs, the Eta-2 Class Jedi Starfighters, the life-size Anakin's podracer, which, although while racing was CGI, was filmed when it was stationary and unedited when so, that thing in the second picture down, a HUGE miniature city of Tatooine, the place where Obi-Wan was talking to those long-necked people, the streets of Coroscant, the Jedi Coucil Library, that place where the speeders were swerving around flames in episode II, the huts of the tusken raiders, those huge corridors in Geonosis, the Geonosian arena, Dooku's solar sailor, podracer station, the corridors of Naboo, that huge palace type thing in Naboo, the hallways on Kamino, the Naboo royal starship, a dining room in the Trade Federation interior, that viewing platform for th podracing, buildings or huts on Tatooine, more lifesize podracers, corridors in the Invisible Hand, a huge amount of makeup for 7 or so aliens, dining room in Naboo in AotC, huge chunk of rocky terrain in AotC which Obi-Wan was standing on, Podracing stadium,landing bay in the invisible Hand, the Jedi Temple, LIFE SIZE naboo starfighter, which is a huge ship, C-3P0 skeleton, which involved puppetry, what looks like part of a LIFE SIZE Sebulba's podracer, or at least half of it huge interior of Mustafar building where Anakin killed the Separatists, breifing place for the Jedi in episode III, HUGE podracing arena (not just stadium, but arena), terrain for AotC battle of Geonosis, several puppets who drove podracers, Sebulba's podracer's cockpit, cargo bay in Episode I on Naboo with MATTE PAINTING behind it, and multiple other things which could have been (but I'm not sure) unedited in the prequels.
You cannot argue against that.
And this makes the prequels not suck because…?
And, meanwhile, I can provide several reasons why they do.
…and that's off the top of my head.
Your rebuttal?
Unfortunately, this project appears to have permanently gone south.
A true shame.
Bingowings said:
I found/find it rather disturbing in a Edvard Munchish sort of way. I used to get a bit nervous as I approached that page and turned it rather quickly too.
Personally, I find the panel that follows it even more disturbing.
Luke's jaw should not open that wide!
imperialscum said:
Tack said:
I would have had a scene somewhere in the film of the Emperor, hidden in the shadows entirely, but just enough of a presence.
I like the absence of Emperor in ANH. I love how his character progression in OT. In the first film he is only mentioned in a way that it sparks your interest and get your imagination working. Then in the second film he makes short but interesting call to Vader, which further fuels expectations. And then he finally appears in last film and he is well acted and written.
That's why I would keep him in the shadows. It would be a short scene, maybe only the ending of a conversation with Vader.
I agree that the buildup is handled very well, and I wouldn't have a full blown encounter to ruin that à la SE Jabba.
I would have done a few things in the first film differently.
I would have had Luke's life on Tattooine fleshed out a bit more (in good ways, like the deleted scenes)
I would have had a scene somewhere in the film of the Emperor, hidden in the shadows entirely, but just enough of a presence.
I would have fleshed out a bit of an animosity between Tarkin and Vader, sort of like the original conceptions of Vader and Jejerrod from ROTJ.
I would have had Leia only guess that they were let go, and have those fears confirmed once they reached Yavin.
But, then again, this is all speculation.
I'm not looking forward to the Giver.
I haven't read Son, but is some of the stuff in that trailer from that book? Because some dialogue I explicitly remember the Giver saying in the book.
That being said, Jeff Bridges' casting is genius.
Computers are dicks to users.
O.O
NNNYYYYAAAAAHHHH!!!!
John Hurt. Enough said.
SOPA almost was resurrected. I can only hope the petition against this version will make an impact.
OK, I spoke to Jim Bowers and he sent me a copy of the link I had (no sharing, don't ask), but now the site itself is down!
I'll just wait till he gets it back on track, I suppose.
I'm watching the burned DVD as we speak!!!!
I've gone off the deep end!!
^^Yes. Best of all, I was there. I just didn't see that guy.
OK, so I randomly go to capedwonder and see that a completed version of Superman Restored International Cut is available. I download part 1 only just to see if it will work (which it did).
Now, I go today, and the link is gone!!!
Am I insane?