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Calm down. Seriously.
Ok you never said you were afraid of gay people. Obvious hyperbole. But yes I’m judging you for being uncomfortable around “overly-effeminate” men. It’s a complete overreaction to something that doesn’t affect you at all.
Calm down. Seriously.
Um…sure.
You could also get over being afraid of gay people. Seriously.
So traps are guys who dress like girls, but it’s crazy to think that makes them a transvestite? I never heard the “trap” term until four or five years ago.
Do you even know the difference?
Traps are guys who dress convincingly like attractive girls.
Wrong. “Traps” are not guys who dress convincingly like attractive girls. “Transvestites” are (typically) guys who dress like girls. “Traps” are derogatory terms for a subset of transvestites who apparently dress like attractive girls just to humiliate people like you who are uncomfortable around gay people.
You’re confusing the definitions.
How so?
Defamatory: “deceptive,” “fooling,” “pretending,” “posing,” “trap,” or “masquerading”
Gender identity is an integral part of a person’s identity. Do not characterize transgender people as “deceptive,” as “fooling” or “trapping” others, or as “pretending” to be, “posing” or “masquerading” as a man or a woman. Such descriptions are inaccurate, defamatory and insulting. (See “passing” and “stealth” as problematic terms above.)
JEDIT: That refers to transgender people rather than transvestite people but I thought the concept (re: trap) was the same.
JEDIT2: I understand the definitions of transgender get a bit confusing so I might be slightly off myself. I’m willing to admit it if so and correct my stance…but that’s in regards to terms like transgender and transvestite. Not in regards to trap, which is clearly an insult.
Never mind.
Yeah, that seems pretty crazy unless I’m missing something.
Are you just referencing this thing or is there a specific news story you can link to?
https://www.adl.org/blog/no-the-ok-gesture-is-not-a-hate-symbol
Frink, if men who are hetero feel fooled or “trapped” by being attracted to biological men who dress like women, then that’s their prerogative. You can’t tell them to not feel that way or not be appalled when they encounter it.
They ought not to be mean, certainly, but they shouldn’t be chastised for feeling disgusted in such an obviously socking circumstance.
Uhhhhhhh… wow
What?? We’re human. If people feel uncomfortable about whatever it is, they should be allowed to be uncomfortable. If you’re going to be inclusive, you shouldn’t get to cherry-pick who you include or tell people they can’t have feelings that they do.
Hey we all know gay people make you feel uncomfortable when they “act gay” as you’ve said before.
So no. People aren’t allowed to have feelings then.
do you call them a derogatory slang term because they dare to make you feel uncomfortable?
No. I do use whatever language is relevant, and I try to be mature about it. I’ve never used the word “trap” to describe someone, nor am I likely to, but I do know what the word means. I have no power over whether people use it.
You use it:
So traps are guys who dress like girls, but it’s crazy to think that makes them a transvestite? I never heard the “trap” term until four or five years ago.
Do you even know the difference?
Traps are guys who dress convincingly like attractive girls.
Wrong. “Traps” are not guys who dress convincingly like attractive girls. “Transvestites” are (typically) guys who dress like girls. “Traps” are derogatory terms for a subset of transvestites who apparently dress like attractive girls just to humiliate people like you who are uncomfortable around gay people.
All I can assume at this point was that chyron managed to meet a guy once who purposely dressed as an attractive girl for the sole reason of humiliating him.
Again, I can’t believe we’re having this discussion in 2018.
Are you even reading my posts?
Frink, if men who are hetero feel fooled or “trapped” by being attracted to biological men who dress like women, then that’s their prerogative. You can’t tell them to not feel that way or not be appalled when they encounter it.
They ought not to be mean, certainly, but they shouldn’t be chastised for feeling disgusted in such an obviously socking circumstance.
Uhhhhhhh… wow
What?? We’re human. If people feel uncomfortable about whatever it is, they should be allowed to be uncomfortable. If you’re going to be inclusive, you shouldn’t get to cherry-pick who you include or tell people they can’t have feelings that they do.
Hey we all know gay people make you feel uncomfortable when they “act gay” as you’ve said before. Putting that bit of craziness aside, do you call them a derogatory slang term because they dare to make you feel uncomfortable? And you see nothing wrong with that.
Such people shouldn’t use said feelings as motivation to mock or humiliate others, but they still should be allowed to feel uncomfortable if they so choose.
You can feel uncomfortable without resorting to insults.
If you want people to be inclusive, then you should allow for legitimate questions. We didn’t invent the word. It’s just a word. We made no judgment about it. It’s just a thing that exists.
No judgment?
Frink, if men who are hetero feel fooled or “trapped” by being attracted to biological men who dress like women, then that’s their prerogative. You can’t tell them to not feel that way or not be appalled when they encounter it.
They ought not to be mean, certainly, but they shouldn’t be chastised for feeling disgusted in such an obviously socking circumstance.
Frink, if men who are hetero feel fooled or “trapped” by being attracted to biological men who dress like women, then that’s their prerogative. You can’t tell them to not feel that way or not be appalled when they encounter it.
They ought not to be mean, certainly, but they shouldn’t be chastised for feeling disgusted in such an obviously socking circumstance.
Uhhhhhhh… wow
Stop being childish Dom. Men should be able to use derogatory terms to insult other men that dress like women because it’s the men using the derogatory terms that are the victims here.
Frink, if men who are hetero feel fooled or “trapped” by being attracted to biological men who dress like women, then that’s their prerogative. You can’t tell them to not feel that way or not be appalled when they encounter it.
Oh ok, I guess I’ll listen to you rather than GLAAD.
Your post is ridiculous.
It is not. You’re being a child. Someone asked a legitimate question and we are discussing it. You are the one being immature here.
Not a fan of GLAAD either I take it then.
Frink, if men who are hetero feel fooled or “trapped” by being attracted to biological men who dress like women, then that’s their prerogative. You can’t tell them to not feel that way or not be appalled when they encounter it.
Oh ok, I guess I’ll listen to you rather than GLAAD.
Your post is ridiculous.
Thanks for coming back to tell us off Frink. I honestly don’t see the problem.
So traps are guys who dress like girls, but it’s crazy to think that makes them a transvestite? I never heard the “trap” term until four or five years ago.
Do you even know the difference?
I’ll say first of all that I’ve never heard the term “trap” until now, though it seems to me like it’s not a term the people being described would use to call themselves. In which case I would think the “problem” would be rather obvious.
I’m not sure that I know what I’m talking about; but I’m going to jump in anyway. Many people do actually self-identify as “traps.” The term is used semi-frequently in the cosplay community; and, more often than not, it’s used affectionately. The term is also used to refer to androgynous characters in anime and manga, also usually used affectionately. However, the term is also sometimes used to refer to transwomen, and that is almost always seen as fucked up. Because of the three different definitions and connotations, it’s often hard to get a grasp on what exactly the term means.
You might want to go back and read Handman’s original post. It had nothing to do with cosplay or anime.
I don’t understand the difference between a trap and a transvestite.
If you mostly only care about movies, like me, the 90s were terrible.
A lot of the EU content from then is probably trash too.
Well it’s EU, so a lot of it is almost certainly trash. There’s probably some good stuff too but meh.
So traps are guys who dress like girls
I didn’t even notice this part of your post. See my post directly above. “Trap” is a derogatory term, so no, you’re wrong. And yes I know the difference, but you don’t. Hopefully you do now.
But is it so egregious one isn’t even allowed to ask what it means if one doesn’t know?.. I knew what a transvestite was but I didn’t know what a trap was. Sure am glad I wasn’t such a jerk as to ask for clarification.
How could you know what a transvestite is and then not know what is meant by a trap, just on context alone?
But for those who are still confused.
https://www.glaad.org/reference/transgender
Defamatory: “deceptive,” “fooling,” “pretending,” “posing,” “trap,” or “masquerading”
Gender identity is an integral part of a person’s identity. Do not characterize transgender people as “deceptive,” as “fooling” or “trapping” others, or as “pretending” to be, “posing” or “masquerading” as a man or a woman. Such descriptions are inaccurate, defamatory and insulting. (See “passing” and “stealth” as problematic terms above.)
Mrebo, are you a Trump supporter?
All Republicans are Trump supporters whether they admit it or not. It’s his party now.
You’d cry too if it happened to you.
Yes I would.
With that said, the right has been building towards this moment for a long time now. Trump is just the logical (absurd, yet logical) conclusion. I don’t think I have to worry about it happening to me because we aren’t the party of Fox News and Breitbart, and everything that comes with it.
It is the next logical step, although I don’t think it’s a conclusion by any means.
It’s what the right (or America in general, I suppose) gets for allowing the ball to roll down the hill starting from Lee Atwater, through to Rush, and Hannity, and Fox News. I talked to my family recently and lamented how disappointing it is that so many Republicans demonize opposition and glorify themselves so as to maintain lockstep with whatever nonsense Republican leadership is up to. My Dad then mentioned that they’ve been doing that since Lee Atwater was a political consultant for Ronald Reagan; and that Atwater, in fact, apologized on his deathbed for causing this.
Yeah but Bush and Obama right Mrebo?
What is supposed to be done?
Consider: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gop-criticism-of-trump-is-all-talk-but-it-still-matters/
How about anything besides talk?
Trump’s possible (and growing more likely by the day) compromised position with Russia is an ongoing national security threat. Maybe start by investigating that. Specifically, maybe start by finding out what’s in his tax returns that he’s so afraid of getting out.
Yeah, I heard the criticisms, but that’s all show so long as nothing is actually being done.
This.
Anyone remember the “uproar” over the pussy tape? They made comments like “I can’t look my daughter in the face and tell her I still support this monster.” Then they went crawling right back to him.
Trumps loyalties have always been devoted to Trump and nothing or no one else. I don’t know the exact reasons but I don’t think there’s any question he’s acting this way to try to protect himself.
Oh, absolutely. Nonetheless, his actions in protecting himself are putting this nation in jeopardy, alienating our allies, and appeasing the Russians at every turn. It’s just gotten so obvious I’m shocked nothing is being done about it.
Of course nothing is being done about it. Republicans have fully given themselves over to Trump and they’re the ones in power.
If you mostly only care about movies, like me, the 90s were terrible.
Trumps loyalties have always been devoted to Trump and nothing or no one else. I don’t know the exact reasons but I don’t think there’s any question he’s acting this way to try to protect himself.
Mrebo, are you a Trump supporter?
All Republicans are Trump supporters whether they admit it or not. It’s his party now.
You’d cry too if it happened to you.
Yes I would.
With that said, the right has been building towards this moment for a long time now. Trump is just the logical (absurd, yet logical) conclusion. I don’t think I have to worry about it happening to me because we aren’t the party of Fox News and Breitbart, and everything that comes with it.