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#1225184
Topic
Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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mfastx said:

DrDre said:
I agree. The PT ends where the OT begins, right down to the twin sunset on Tatooine. Going from ROTJ to TFA is far more jarring to me, where an obvious total victory is suddenly and without explanation completely reversed, while all the victors have become shadows of their former selves. General Solo has again become a smuggler in debt with everyone, who hides from his problems. Luke’s hiding from his problems on a rock, and has closed himself off from the Force. Even Leia has been demoted from princess, and senator to the general of an even smaller band of rebels, whilst Han and Leia have apparently won the worst parents of the year award.

This is my main issue with the ST. Despite the fact that they’re very good films, the story is just so nonsensical to me. What we’re told happened between VI and VII is far more interesting to me than what’s happening in VII and VIII. We’re right back where we started in the OT (if not worse, the rebels are down to a handful of folk on the falcon), with no real explanation as to how we got there after the triumphant victory in VI.

I would have much more enjoyed a story of how Ben got seduced by Snoke, how the First Order came to be, etc.

I can understand not liking what you got but how is that “nonsensical?”

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#1225167
Topic
Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
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screams in the void said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Any comparisons to Gamergate are accurate insofar as the harrasers are concerned (though I haven’t seen these comparisons from LFL employees).

https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/1016392684242550784

GamerGate: another great example of using a minority of harassers to paint an entire community with that wide brush and obscure the original criticisms.

Okay, well was I wrong? I’m not seeing the part in that tweet where he says that anyone who hates his movie is a Gamergate level harraser. He’s pretty spot on in the comparison.

Did you read the preceding tweet that he was responding to? It was about ComicsGate, another supposedly hate-driven campaign that’s being used to paint many comics fans with the same brush as GamerGate, with the usual shitstirring by the usual frauds looking for attention/money like Quinn and Sarkeesian.

Maybe he’s not doing it intentionally, but by drawing the comparisons to what’s going on with Star Wars, I find it hard to believe he doesn’t know who and what he’s inviting into the discussion.

You of course have a typically cynical take on these “gates” that I have no desire to get into you with. Putting that aside, whatever you think of the people bring attacked, there is no reason whatsoever to violently harass. And it’s beyond absurd to suggest that one shouldn’t call out violent harassment just for fear that someone else entirely might come in and paint all criticism with a broad brush. I’m sorry I have more sympathy with those getting death threats than those merely getting supposedly generalized. I don’t know why Rian should have to top toe and ignore the issue completely just because of how other people may or may not respond.

Of course no one should violently harass someone else. Duh.

My point is that the result so far in these “gate” stories is that the harassment becomes the story, the broader fanbase is guilty by association (“toxic fandom”), and the original story that kicked everything off is conveniently forgotten or labeled as conspiracy, while the participants supposedly on the side of social justice go on to build massive social media followings and make money from the whole affair.

Rian can bash harassers all he wants, but drawing comparisons to GamerGate and ComicsGate is going to result in the same shitty mess. I don’t want a JediGate.

The original story that compelled me to kick this thread off was the treatment of Kelly Marie Tran , and lets not hurl insults at people such as “duh” and "panties in a bunch " aye ? seems unbecoming of a moderator imho.

It’s doubly unbecoming of the site owner imo.

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#1225110
Topic
The Something Political Thread (Was: Random Political Thoughts)
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TV’s Frink said:

Now I’m legitimately asking (although I was before too), what is the point of this thread? What are we supposed to post in here, and what are we allowed to respond to?

So you’re warning me for this Jay? Just ban me if that’s the case. If I’m not allowed to ask what’s allowed and what’s not allowed in a thread, how am I supposed to know if I’m following the rules?

After I posted this, Handman clarified in the other thread, and also updated the thread title, so I have my answer. No need to warn me after I asked a legitimate question and also got a legitimate answer. Unless you just are trying to pick fights with me, which is how this is starting to feel.

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#1225049
Topic
Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
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Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Any comparisons to Gamergate are accurate insofar as the harrasers are concerned (though I haven’t seen these comparisons from LFL employees).

https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/1016392684242550784

GamerGate: another great example of using a minority of harassers to paint an entire community with that wide brush and obscure the original criticisms.

Jay I know you’ve left the politics thread but you were doing this in regards to liberals all the time.

I’d appreciate a more detailed analysis of how my criticism of liberals in general is comparable to the allegations leveled against the gaming community in GamerGate.

That seems like a detailed waste of time.

It’s an opinion. I paused, then went about my business. More people should do the same.

“More people should do the same” is also an opinion.

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#1225042
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The Something Political Thread (Was: Random Political Thoughts)
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Sorry Jay that’s my perception. I guess neither of us wants to dig through old posts to confirm, me with this and you with the anti-women posts in the TLJ thread.

So this is the politics thread minus discussion?

Now I’m legitimately asking (although I was before too), what is the point of this thread? What are we supposed to post in here, and what are we allowed to respond to?

The other random threads, both in off-topic and beyond, have random discussion. But they’re not just single posts. They’re single posts that then follow the natural course of discussion. If there’s a rule for this thread that no follow-ups are allowed, make the rule, or if there’s no disagreement allowed, make that rule, otherwise I still do not understand the point of the thread. And I don’t think I’m alone.

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#1225039
Topic
Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
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Jay said:

snooker said:

Collipso said:

i think it’s because people tried really hard to like it at first. i know i did, and it’s now my least favorite star wars film by a country mile.

Attack of the Clones? It’s worse than Attack of the Clones!?

I don’t like TFA and even I paused for a second at that.

Again, there’s plenty of these kinds of hot takes right here. Check out the ranking thread some time.

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#1225038
Topic
Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
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Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Any comparisons to Gamergate are accurate insofar as the harrasers are concerned (though I haven’t seen these comparisons from LFL employees).

https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/1016392684242550784

GamerGate: another great example of using a minority of harassers to paint an entire community with that wide brush and obscure the original criticisms.

Jay I know you’ve left the politics thread but you were doing this in regards to liberals all the time.

(caveat - have not read the tweet)

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#1224964
Topic
The Something Political Thread (Was: Random Political Thoughts)
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Jay said:

Handman said:

I’ll start: I never realized how deep in Trump Country I was/am. I mentioned something vaguely anti-Trump and got a surprising amount of backlash from them.

My family has a few Trump supporters. They’re not all crazy racists; that’s an easy out for Democrats who can’t process why he won.

I was also shocked by the number of people at my last job who thought he was the obvious choice between the two candidates.

Most people I know understand that there’s a ton of non-racists, not-xenophobes, and non-misogynists that voted for Trump. Which doesn’t mean there aren’t a ton of racists, xenophobes, and misogynists who did vote for Trump. He played for their votes like no one in recent memory (maybe ever) and they voted for him.