TServo2049

I don't buy any of this stuff that the original version can't be restored b/c of the negatives. The original versions can be reconstructed. Use the best materials available - the YCM restoration, the separation masters, the IPs, George's Technicolor print, whatever. (And has anyone ever confirmed if the negatives for ESB and ROTJ were in as bad condition as the original? I've only ever actually heard reference to the negative for the first film being in that dismal condition...)

If they 8K scan the best materials, clean them up, and use George's prints as a reference to edit them together and properly time them (for example, taking the SE restoration and cutting in the original optical composites from an IP or George's print), we could have the originals in HD. It's not a question of whether they can, it's a question of whether they will.

(And even though I bet it's not going to happen, I'd love to see the pre-tweaked Indy films on Blu-ray also. Since the changes to those films were minor, it won't be anywhere nearly as bad if they were excluded, but still...)

Agreed about the insecurity and the Michael Jackson analogy. I really do believe that he has the same general kind of issues MJ had (albeit not as severe), and like MJ, he has allowed his wealth and success to insulate him from reality and common sense. And at least MJ didn't alter his songs and bury the originals.

And I'd be willing to excuse him if he'd just let me have the original versions in high-quality HD. People criticize Steven Spielberg for some of the same things as Lucas, but at least he understands the significance of the original versions of his films.

I wish George would listen to Steven on this...

What about Fraps?

I don't believe that the uncut version was ever shown in Finland. The scenes were cut from the negative before the film was released in theaters; why would an uncut version get sent to Finland, a country where a lot of movies were subjected to additional censorship until the last couple of decades? If Universal ever distributed the uncut version, it would have shown up in a less obscure country than Finland.

From the comments I read on some YouTube video once (which was taken down), I think the "uncut in Finland" rumor started because it was actually the standard version, without additional censorship by the Finnish censors, which aired on TV in Finland.

I don't think the deleted scenes have ever been seen by the public (except for test audiences back in 1988) - similar to The Black Cauldron deleted scenes, I think they're either destroyed, lost, or misplaced.

I think this claim that the uncut version was shown on TV in Germany or Finland or whatever is just a myth. From what I can understand, the cuts were made to the negative, and the deleted scenes were either thrown away/destroyed, or are languishing in some vault at Universal.

But if your copy really is the uncut version, it will be at least 75 minutes (accounting for PAL speedup - I've read that 11 minutes were cut from the film).

Look at this site, it has some pictures of deleted scenes that were used in promotional materials: http://gangoffive.net/ar/t1443.htm

I know that originally, Littlefoot discovered the Great Valley himself. I think there's also a part in the Sharptooth fight where they get trapped under his foot or something?

I'm skeptical, but take a look at your copy, maybe it *is* longer...

Are any of these preservations available? I'd really like to obtain laserdisc rips of the Disney animated features that are different on DVD, rather than have to blow a bunch of money on a player and actual LDs.

I love the way the colors on the laser versions looked - the DVD versions often have flattened contrast and just don't look "film" enough. I'd love to see the laserdisc rip of Beauty and the Beast, or the LD rip of Cinderella, etc., but I can only find dead torrents online...

-Jeffrey

Glad some people agree with me. I have another reason I'd love to see better JSC preservations - the JSCs are basically widescreen equivalents of how the trilogy looked on video in the late 80s (i.e., the 1987/1990 issues). A bit of sentimental value to me there...

Hello,

I was going back and looking at the old Dark/Sega rips of the JSC LDs, and I really think that there needs to be some kind of new preservation of them. The old rips are interlaced, 4x3, and don’t look so good.

I have seen Arnie.d’s “V8 - A Final Attempt”, which was deinterlaced and upconverted(?) and it looked darn good to me. I really wish there were something similar for ESB and ROTJ. A couple years ago, there was talk about V8, X9, something Aleksbmw was doing. But it all seems to have fallen by the wayside.

The JSCs are the best source of a non-DNR’ed pre-SE – well, the only, since the American widescreen discs were sourced from them. I’d love to see them cleaned up, without ugly combing and stuff. All the LDs from '93 and onward have good preservations, I think the JSCs deserve it too…

If it's up on Usenet, it's not within EasyNews' "200+ days" retention period. (Nothing against EasyNews, they have a good price and it's over the web so I don't need a newsreader program. I was able to get the Dark/Sega JSC rips, at least.)

Are Arnie.d's any better than the Dark/Sega ones? Maybe a repost would be in order for those of us who don't have access to 600+ day old posts...

Like msycamore, I don't want to keep taking this thread off-topic, just letting Mallwalker know about this...

I've watched the old Dark-Sega JSC rips. The image quality and color balance really remind me of the 1987/1990 VHS releases - a tad too bright, noticeably red-boosted, etc. We had the 1990 tapes (or more specifically, the 1992 "FoxVideo" reprints), so this is what the trilogy looked like when I was watching it as a kid.

I'm assuming that both were sourced from the 1985 IP.

I found them, repeat, I found them.

I had been searching for "Special Collection" and "JSC". Thanks for pointing me on the right track.

Harmy said:

They used the reflexive sticks in all lightsabre scenes in the original STAR WARS with like one exception, that's why Obi-Wan's lightsabre stops glowing in one of the shots where it's at a big angle.

They used the reflective sticks, yes, but they look to have been rotoscoped out in most shots. There's a couple interviews/articles out there (in Korean) where Nelson Shin talks about doing the lightsaber animation. At the time, he was working at DePatie-Freleng, who you may recall being credited for "additional optical effects."

The point is, most shots have the reflective blades covered over with roto animation.

Does anybody still have these or any other JSC transfers, and could post them on a.b.sw?

I was just listening to the mono mix, and noticed a very obvious music edit difference which nobody has seemed to ever point out before.

I used to listen to the soundtrack a lot, and many years ago I noticed that in the Death Star attack, the first note of that great Force theme fanfare when the Rebels dive was clipped off. Obviously, somewhere between scoring and the final cut, the pacing of that bit was tightened and one beat had to be removed.

However, in the mono mix, there is a different music edit. That first note is restored...but there is a new, and IMO clumsier, edit which chops off most of that great upward flourish preceding it.

Anyone ever notice this? Analyses of the mono mix always bring up the sound effects and dialogue differences, but I've never seen any mention of this different music edit!