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RicOlie_2 said:

@Ryan

If I were to decide that what was beneficial to the human species was to eliminate all non-beneficial members of society (i.e. mentally and physically ill, old, and homeless people among others) and go around murdering them all, how would you be able to tell me I was wrong? Because you felt empathy for those people? What if I said that I overcame my empathy to aid the human species, because those people only held others back and I was doing others a favour by ridding them of useless people. What would you say to that?

If you decided that ^ you'd have a lack of empathy/humanity.

RicOlie_2 said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

timdiggerm said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Short easy answer = Because I feel empathy.

I don't need a God to tell me that something is wrong because I can work it out for myself using my brain. e.g. I would miss my family if somebody murdered them so I know somebody else would be sad if I commited murder.

That of course extends and answers every other moral question.

It doesn't though. Lots of people have felt empathy for some and still done terrible things to others. 

Those people were wrong.

 Why do you think you have the authority to say that?

 Why wouldn't I?

timdiggerm said:

What makes a person evil?

 Feeling empathy yet ignoring it.

timdiggerm said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

timdiggerm said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Short easy answer = Because I feel empathy.

I don't need a God to tell me that something is wrong because I can work it out for myself using my brain. e.g. I would miss my family if somebody murdered them so I know somebody else would be sad if I commited murder.

That of course extends and answers every other moral question.

It doesn't though. Lots of people have felt empathy for some and still done terrible things to others. 

Those people were wrong.

 Says who? You? Why do you say that, and how could you justify the statement to them?

To go back a step, when you said "terrible things" what did you mean? I'm guessing you mean something that you consider morally wrong because your feelings of human empathy tell you they are "terrible things".

Humans can be wrong, stupid, sociopaths, ill informed, evil, manipulated, drunk, high etc etc allowing them to ignore, deaden, forget or bypass their feelings of empathy (For sociopaths they never had them of course).

Just replace it with "Noooooooooo!", GL has proved time and again that a scene can always be improved by adding a "Noooooooooo!".

timdiggerm said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Short easy answer = Because I feel empathy.

I don't need a God to tell me that something is wrong because I can work it out for myself using my brain. e.g. I would miss my family if somebody murdered them so I know somebody else would be sad if I commited murder.

That of course extends and answers every other moral question.

It doesn't though. Lots of people have felt empathy for some and still done terrible things to others. 

Those people were wrong.

Short easy answer = Because I feel empathy.

I don't need a God to tell me that something is wrong because I can work it out for myself using my brain. e.g. I would miss my family if somebody murdered them so I know somebody else would be sad if I commited murder.

That of course extends and answers every other moral question.

Jaitea said:

Has anyone mentioned the Dr Richard Dawkins & Brandon Flowers interview?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHLrsdLTdvg

Kinda feel sorry for Brandon (for 2 reasons)

J

Don't get me started on Brandon Flowers but damn that was almost painful to watch. Watching a man's entire world crumble caught in a facial expression.

^

;-)

Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

But everyone's entitled to their opinions and beliefs, I just wish that these opinions were based on experience and logic rather than something they cherry picked out of an old book.

 may I remind that to some, it isn't just any old book.  To some, it is a book written by God himself. 

I didn't say "any old book", you're seeing a letter 'y' where there isn't one.

But surely no rational person believes that the whole Bible, every single word, is the word of God. I could believe that every word in it ascribed to Jesus is. As almost without exception they are words, sentences, thoughts and ideas I too support as an atheist (In short his words are infallible). But the rest of it is sometimes arrant nonsence suggesting the fallible hand of man in it's writing.

I can't believe that God would approve of slavery but according to the Bible he does. Since slavery was fine in the time it was written, it seems obvious that those passages were man-made. Of course mankind has moved on and now believes slavery to be wrong. But surely it was always wrong and God would have known that?

Which is why I said 'cherry picked'. If a Christian is pro-slavery then fine, they can quote away about the couple of sentences that condemn homosexuality (Because I can at least see that that person is being consistent). But otherwise, they should make up their own mind.

Yes every sound in that duel is iconic, especially Vader's breathing, the tone of his voice and the arghs (Or whatever tey are)... change not a jot.

The Future-Echo of actor Matt Smith vs Samwise Gamgee: Paris 2010AD

Jaitea said:

But running a Church costs money

J

 Yes, all that bling must be pricey...

Joking aside. I always thought all of that ^ was very much at odds with the beliefs of this man...

People need a place to pray out of the rain and why shouldn't it be beautiful. Some of the most beautiful buildings I've seen and visited have been Churches, Mosques and Synagogues and I used to live oposite this stunning sandstone Sikh temple...

(^ View from my front door)

In fact I kinda get sad when I go past an ugly modern church. Glorifying God through architecture is natural but building vast golden palaces in his name seems crazy. I can only imagine Jesus standing before the Vatican with a look of horror on his face.

Is this a problem for people within the church?

Homosexuality was a perfectly normal thing in ancient cultures like The Romans and The Greeks. Plus I'd imagine it was perfectly normal before those Empires arose. It's only in the post-Roman Christian era that being gay has even been an issue.

Edit: Posted before seeing above post ^. End of debate.

TV's Frink said:

As always when this subject comes up, I present...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFo8NGO4nTA

Exactly. You can count on satire to get to the heart of the issue. Also this famous sketch from 1980...

NTNON: Are You A Gay Christian?

But seriously, people are born gay, it's just a fact. If God exists he designed people to enjoy sex and he also made a percentage of us gay on purpose. So why did he send Jesus' down to spread a message of loving everyone if he really meant "Everyone, except those guys".

Also, if every catholic honestly does everything they can, to try and get pregnant everytime they have sex... then fair enough on the "Sex is for procreation which is why I think Homosexuality is wrong" logic. But I don't think that's the case, I just think it's a handy excuse for views that are just plain wrong.

But everyone's entitled to their opinions and beliefs, I just wish that these opinions were based on experience and logic rather than something they cherry picked out of an old book.

RicOlie_2 said:

HotRod said:

What do you think of the majority of priests being child molesting kiddie fuckers??

 I'm assuming you're joking, but only a very small percentage of priests are pedophiles

 ^ Reminded me of a line from the classic sitcom Father Ted...

"If there's 100 million priests in the world, and 10% of them are paedophiles, thats still only 10million." -Ted

I know someone who grew up in Ireland 50 or so years ago and they said there were Priests that all the kids knew to be careful around but back then it was all kept secret.  It's obviously not the majority but it's a ludicrously high ammount of priests. Celebacy is unnatural and a big cause of the problem IMO.

I'd be interested to know which Pope brought in mandatory Celebacy, when it was and what were his reasons?

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Leonardo said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Leonardo said:

I re-read it again. Apparently nobody could figure out my "red sheep" one.

I have a flock of red sheep.
When they cry, they all weep.

Won't you give it a try?

 blood?

 No, thanks, I've had coffee already. :)

 Pustulating facial sores? ;-)

You_Too said:

To put this thread back to life:

I speak without a tongue, shout without a tongue.
In grief and pain I have a part, but I don't have any heart.

 Cry?

darth_ender said:

The New York Stock Exchange?

Just made this one up...

With cracked lines upon my face,
strangers watch me, chatter and pace.
Though in winter beware my treachery,
men still get in line and follow me.

Leonardo said:

I re-read it again. Apparently nobody could figure out my "red sheep" one.

I have a flock of red sheep.
When they cry, they all weep.

Won't you give it a try?

 blood?

Waterloo

Seeing as that's the home of the British Film Institute, let's take a moment to consider all the great prequels there have been in film history such as...

"The Empire Considers Its Response"

"Begin Camping"

"Bit Of An Atmosphere On The Bounty"

and of course

"One Of Our Aircraft Is... Here"

TV's Frink said:

timdiggerm said:

fishmanlee said:

and there is a GB limit..

 Which makes it pretty useless

 Everything has a GB limit.

Yes. For me it was the 26,753rd time a sportscaster used the newly invented phrase "Team GB" during last year's Olympics.

Random rant: I like Ben Whishaw, a great actor but what the actual f*ck...

Ben Whishaw to play Freddie Mercury

Were there no Asian actors available?? like (To pick a few obvious guys with the acting chops)...

Naveen Andrews (Awesome in everything + does a mean Alan Partridge)

Suraj Sharma (He carried the whole of 'Life of Pi' solo, he can handle a biopic)

Jimi Mistry (Always good when he's given a good role)

However...

...is set to direct, yay! (Liked his recent films).