SilverWook said:
He does look like a rebel pilot in that shot.
Perhaps there are characters in other SF movies/tv that Frink does like that could be edited in as rebel pilots?
"Theres... too many of them"
TV's Frink said:
Not a fan of BR or BSG.
He must be a frakkin' skinjob, call Rep-Detect!
Following the Bladerunner sugestion in the Jedi thread. How about the medical droid in the scene where Padme is dying says to Kenobi and Yoda "It's too bad she won't live... but then again who does?".
Darth Lucas said:
-I actually did try to put the threepio line about the clothes at the beginning but it leads into the convo between threepio and han that i don't want to keep and no matter how I went about it I just wasn't satisfied.
Oh well, nevermind then.
Had another thought. Do we see how Vader got from the DS to the Executor prior to Hoth? If not could you use the SE "Prepare my Stardestroyer for my arrival" line. Either by using the same footage (Not ideal as it's obviously Bespin) or using some other footage of Vader (He's got no mouth so it could be dubbed over anything). Probably a sweeping side shot of Vader barking orders at Jerjerrod would work best.
^ "Prepare my Stardestroyer for my arrival"
It could play in exactly the same way as it does in ESB, of Vader storming off, after Luke has slipped his grasp intercutting with the Falcon escaping. This would still allow you use the totally different "Bring my shuttle" line from the GOUT later on Bespin.
Not exactly new but... is this the most insane mainstream advertising campaign ever?
I tend to do an slack jawed double-take whenever I see it on a billboard.
(Can't find a link to the TV add version that ends with the same slogan).
Baronlando said:
http://i.stack.imgur.com/yLMJK.jpg
it's Prowse, I think this picture might only be in the e-book of the making of.
Oh my god! Oh my god! Nerdgasm!
Hadn't seen that picture but somehow it's exactly what I always thought Vader looked like under the mask! Thanks for that link.
SilverWook said:
Roger Hill, 65
http://variety.com/2014/film/people-news/roger-hill-who-played-cyrus-in-the-warriors-dies-at-65-1201120971/
I dug it Roger, thanks.
How have you handled the reason for a still-alive Padme only keeping Leia and not Luke. Didn't she like Luke? ;-)
^ Perhaps an unsolvable problem as the faulti is with ROTJ sadly.
Ignore the naysayers ;-)
It's much better now, kinda beautiful even. It plays like the natural flow of a sequence of scenes. Before it was just 'hard cut to Vader and ESB begins'. The editing in that clip was so well executed I didn't even notice the removal of Reiken until my 2nd watch (Even though I suggested it LOL). The Leia and Han relationship plays correct now as the bickering pair we just saw escaping the DS. It's one seemless character piece!
Couple of pointers:
- 1.49 Colour correction needed as the two shots don't match. The first is bright the 2nd is dark. Should be an easy fix to level the two out.
- 2.24 I take it that hard cut to the Imp fleet is temporary? Otherwise wipe needed and musical transition etc
A few more suggestions:
- Have you thought about using the deleted footage of Han and Leia arguing in the tunnel. Han is much nastier to her which didn't fit that point in the OT but might fit this point in the monology?
- Did you try opening the Hoth segment with the Threepio "How are we going to dry the Princeses' cloths" scene as I suggested? Or did it not work? I still think it will help ease the transition since it explains away the cloths change, explains away a shift forward in time of a few hours (At least) and transitions onto two characters we can recognise as looking identical to the way they did in the ANH footage.
- (Again shooting from the hip on this idea so haven't fully thought it all out) but maybe cut staright into the conversation between Vader and Palpatine after the Hoth sequence. Would it read as Palpatine and Vader chatting about the suprise arrival and death of Obi-Wan (About an hour before) and the possible threat it means in the form of Luke?... Hang on, maybe in this edit it needs to play out after Luke leads the Hoth ground assault otherwise who the f*ck is Luke to the Emperor? arrghh not sure.
Phil Tippett is reliable right? Thered be almost nobody better to spot when his work had been tampered with.
Hopefully this is a sign that the regime is becoming a little more relaxed about the GOUT.
darth_ender said:
Jesus Christ allowed himself to be captured, imprisoned, tortured, and executed, all as part of his master plan to resume his place as Ruler of the Universe. So I guess it doesn't get much older than that.
Very clever analysis of the roots of that theme. Wether it's been obvious or not, Sci-Fi and Fantasy has often built it's narrative 'house' on the foundations of Christian stories/imagery to great sucess... Robocop, LOTR, Frankenstein, Narnia, Harry Potter, Star Wars, Superman... hell even one of my favourites 'Short Circuit 2'!
The depth to which these stories permeate our culture is probably the reason films that borrow from them are so succesful, even if we aren't consciously aware of it the first time we watch.
The 'hero rising from death/defeat' trope is somewhat similar when you thhink about it e.g. Batman rises from near-death in a pit of the damned in TDKR through an act of faith. Also Bruce is tempted by the life of peace he could have with Rachel if he forsook his destiny as mankind's saviour. He of course chooses to sacrifice himself and the people of Gotham cast him down because of it at the end of TDK.
"You'll hunt me. You'll condemn me. Set the dogs on me... because that's what needs to happen... because sometimes the truth isn't good enough. Sometimes people deserve more... sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded" - Batman TDK 2008
Desree said:
Seven. Seven's plot was entirely dependent on the killer getting caught. I'm certain there are earlier examples though..
Good point.
Not quite the same as the evil super-nemesis thing as Spacey only turn up at the last minute, has no plan to escape or even any real plan beyond his capture. His game of chess is over the moment he turn himself in, he just sits back and watches it play out. Though I suppose the back seat of the cop car is a sort of mobile glass cage where he can sit and do the customary crowing about the brilliance of his plan.
If that counts, it's 1995, can anybody do earlier?
Jetrell Fo said:
Ryan McAvoy said:
Here is a good one...
A cliche that has become very boring and overused of late is the "Mastermind villain allows themselves to be trapped inside a glass cell that they planned to escape from all along" cliche. The three most recent examples that I can think of are...
The Avengers 2012
Skyfall 2012
Star Trek Into Darkness 2013
...and they were copying the ridiculous success of 2008's 'The Dark Knight'. But surely Christopher Nolan couldn't be the first? 2003's 'X2' had the glass prison and the plan to escape but that's not the same as allowing yourself to be captured as part of your evil game of chess. Those pesky Greeks used an equine variant of this idea some 3 millenia ago but it was still not the same cliche that was used by Heath Ledger's Joker.
Any earlier examples than 2008? (There must be)I'm guessing just by what you typed that variations on the theme are okay or are you specifically speaking about glass (no metal bars) cells only?
Just discussing general influences on the TDK cliche but so far can't think of one example of a pre Dark Knight film using the exact plot device that is used for The Joker. The glass cell isn't strictly nessasary to the cliche, it just seems to be very popular due to it looking great on film. The Joker isn't in glass cell as such (It's a room surrounded on all sides by windows), it's more the 'getting yourself caught as part of your nefarious masterplan angle' that I'd like to hear early examples of. Surely in the hundred years of cinema Nolan can't be the first to have thought of it? (He is a clever dude but still).
Yeah 'Silence of the Lambs' is similar but not quite the same. Because Lector didn't plan to be captured and we the audience are shown his plan to escape... we see him palm the paperclip (Although the visual image of a super-villain in an overlit 360 degree viewable prison is fo-sho the inspiration for those latter films... especially Magneto's escape in X2), but in the cliche we the audience are never shown the villain's masterplan until the sh*t goes down. However it is Lector's plan all along to manipulate the situation so he can get moved to less secure Cell, to give him the possible oportunity to escape.
1995's 'Judge Dredd' also uses the 360-cage motif from 'Silence of the Lambs' but that time it has the elaborate plan to escape... even so it still doesn't feature the allowing yourself to be captured in the first place element.
I suppose this could be considered a subversion of the allow yourself-to-be-captured cliche...
Here is a good one...
A cliche that has become very boring and overused of late is the "Mastermind villain allows themselves to be trapped inside a glass cell that they planned to escape from all along" cliche. The three most recent examples that I can think of are...
The Avengers 2012
Skyfall 2012
Star Trek Into Darkness 2013
...and they were copying the ridiculous success of 2008's 'The Dark Knight'. But surely Christopher Nolan couldn't be the first? 2003's 'X2' had the glass prison and the plan to escape but that's not the same as allowing yourself to be captured as part of your evil game of chess. Those pesky Greeks used an equine variant of this idea some 3 millenia ago but it was still not the same cliche that was used by Heath Ledger's Joker.
Any earlier examples than 2008? (There must be)
Reegar said:
He believed for years a ST lacked potential for story, even until pretty recently it seems. It'll be interesting to see what he pulled out of his waste basket.
^ Fixed ;-)
emanswfan said:
New season 6 trailer for TCW:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpd501LM6T8
This just makes me more mad that they cancelled this. Stupid Disney.
Rebels better be awesome!
Wow that sounds like the missing Liam Neeson audio a faneditor would need to complete the deleted Yoda's meditation scene from ROTS and actually make the end of that film make some sense! ;-)
Yes a legend:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcyktkVGUBM
great writer too:
Bingowings said:
I vote we have the Winter Olympics in Uganda soon (maybe next spring).
Lets withdraw the US (£240m) and UK (£350m) aid (£590m/$982m), as it is about equal to their entire annual defense expenditure... see how the Ugandan President likes that ;-)
DF Shadow said:
@Ryan McAvoy
I dig that 15 minute test footage.
I could watch the whole movie like that. Seems like a fun alternative.
Just an idea - Maybe leave the whole project black and white, tighten the editing/music here and there and add dust and scratches to the standard footage to blend it all together.
Whatever you decide though - good start - Cool stuff.
Getting this thread a bit off topic now but...
Thanks! The whole thing will be B&W just like the workprint would be. I have aaded scratches to all the rest of the footage but only a small amount otherwise it becomes annoying in a full 2.5hour film. The audio is a temporary rough mix that won't be sorted until the video is cut. (Click here to view the project thread and see all the test clips so far)
Very nice work Adywan. Gonna be even better in motion.
Wow Neglify, the whole of your 'Post 50' is some of the most batsh*t scary authoritarian stuff I've read outside of George Orwell's '1984'! You are well rid of this and shouldn't regret leaving/being-pushed-out for a second. I'm hoping your family can see the light and can come with you some day.
Bingowings said:
I don't have a problem with the spaces inside the Tardis in the Invasion Of Time which are actually a hospital and a London Swimming Pool not a factory.
I see Tardises as temporal repair stations.
They carry a team of Time Lords around the universe to repair the damage caused by their ancestors during the dark time.
It explains the wardrobe of every kind of clothing, it explains the chameleon circuit and why regeneration changes the outer appearance of the Time Lord, it explains the scale of the Tardis interior.
What would that look like?
Well it would require workshops, recreation areas, showers, libraries (basically all the spaces we see inside the Tardis throughout the run of the show).
It has what looks like brick walls on the inside and why not? It has wood grain on the outer doors but they aren't made of wood. The interesting question is why does the Tardis have wood grain on it exterior when it's trying to be a Police Box...? Police Boxes of that design were made of concrete.
I loved the Tardis Cloister in Logopolis which is also made of stone (One presumes). I thought it was atmospheric, strange and beautifully constructed
and it really felt like somewhere that the Doctor would retreat to get all introspective about life.
But there was nothing "other wordly" about the interiors in IOT...
...it's just the corridors of an old hospital (St. Anne's Surrey as you say) with almost zero dressing or lighting or even additional sound. Like you say the Tardis interior could look like anything but it would be nice if it looked like something with a little more imagination. Especially as we'd spent the first episodes on some really nice Gallifrey sets...
Bingowings said:
Logopolitans aren't computers (though it bares reminding that the first computers in the real world were people) they are processing nodes. Each person carries one data transformation therefore never carrying the full computation. The whole planet is an organic computer
Yeah that's correct, I was trying to be as brief as possible in that big post and probably over simplified that one. I really need to watch 'Keeper of Tracken' soon to get the backstory on that serial (I was lost with the Nyssa/father/master thing) and then 'Castrovalva' to see what The Master did next.
Bingowings said:
(now that is a reference to H2G2).
Vroomfondel demands that that ^ may (Or may not) be a solid fact.
Been on a big Doctor Who binge this month which has been a lot of fun. Some serials that were new to me and some that were like old friends. Here's what I watched...
The Invasion of Time (Tom Baker) - Parts 1-5 were really cool, the Doctor claims his place as President of Gallifrey. Starts off very mysterious with the Doctor acting seemingly erratically with the layers of the story getting peeled away episode by episode. But sadly the final part is where it all crumbles. It's just running around a factory that is supposed to be the Tardis with almost zero set dressing and no story and the bit at the end with Leela is bullsh*t. Vast areas of the plot are left unexplained.
The Silurians (Jon Pertwee) - I love it when the Pertwee episodes get political and this was no let down. The Doctor is the couragous pacifist trying to hold back a war between the equally 'hawkish' man and alien. Interesting as it places the Brigadier in direct conflict with The Doctor.
Destiny of the Daleks (Tom Baker) - Essentially written by Douglas Adams it even slips in a reference to H2G2. Mostly brilliant thanks to witty dialogue from Adams/Baker, but it got a bit silly at the end with the seemingly deadly Movellans defeated by little more than a game of tag-you're-it. Always great to have Davros in the show. I thought a similar concept of computer warfare was handled better in the earlier ST:TOS episode 'A Taste of Armageddon'.
Frontier in Space (Jon Pertwee) - The first of an experimental double 6-parter (The experiment would not be repeated for reasons I'll explain). The production values are stunning, feeling like a precursor to Babylon 5. A big sprawling space-opera on the brink of war, with The Doctor and Jo caught in the middle. However it's a real shame that all the brilliant buildup of the 6 episodes is wasted at the end in a clumsy segue into the next 6-parter. A real WTF just happened moment and a poor send off for Delgado's Master (He sadly died soon after).
Planet of the Daleks (Jon Pertwee) - The second part after FIS ends up being better than the big budget intro. Firstly because it's all about character (There was no money left for anything else) and secondly because it has a proper end. It's worth seeing this DVD just to witness the documentary about how episode 3 was restored to colour. They somehow designed a program to extract and extrapolate the original colours from a black and white film of the episode (By reading the tiny patterns of dots)... seriously it's like voodoo!
Battlefield (Slyvester McCoy) - Hard to believe the show was cancelled 3 serials after this, as I think it's possibly the highpoint of the entire 50 years. I remembered loving it as a kid but my memories weren't wrong, it's a masterpiece. Aliens in medieval armour with laser guns battling UNIT and The Doctor was Merlin, it don't get no better. It's got action, drama, mystery and beautiful comedy too. The old Brigadier makes a final appearance and the new Brigadier is fantastic, see picture below (Shame she only got one go at it).
Interesting to note that it is an unknown future Doctor who will become Merlin (In the past) so the new-Who could follow this story up with a prequel/sequel/timequel.
Ghost Light (Slyvester McCoy) - However, it's not hard to believe the show was cancelled right after this serial as it's a mess, a strange and intriguing mess but a mess none the less. One of the 4 episodes was cancelled mid-way into production meaning a full quarter of the story was cut which explains most of the baffling holes in the plot. Still it's an entertaining Victorian ghost story of a serial with some wonderful dialogue from the Doctor.
Logopolis (Tom Baker) - Brilliant concept about a planet of humanoid computers, thousands arranged on pews like monks with abacuses. The Master returns thanks to Anthony Ainley in fine form to threaten the entire universe and The Doctor's very life.
The Mark of the Rani (Colin Baker) - The imoral Master is a bit wasted in this story as he's overshadowed by the brilliant and amoral Rani. Loads of location filming add a lot of style to this production but The Doctor feels a little lost in the story. I think they were having too much fun writing argumentative dialogue for the Rani and The Master.
Warriors of the Deep (Peter Davison) - This is a mere shadow of the two former Pertwee Silurian/Sea Devil stories. It all feels a bit flat taking place in only a couple of sets (Great sets though) with very little external photography. It's hard to get invested in the characters because they keep dying so often and the less said about the Myrka monster the better. However the chilling end with a superb performance by Davison is worth the watch alone.
Planet of the Spiders (Jon Pertwee) - The emotions are still too raw to talk about "A tear Sarah Jane?". But seriously, the beautiful writing allows you to easily forgive some of the production problems around visualising the Spider world.
What the f**kin' f**k have YouTube done to my homepage!
I've been trying since yesterday and I can't even find how to access half of my favourite channels. They've re-designed everything to make it streamlined and easier to use... aka incomprehensible and harder to use???
The new design might work if you are subscribed to only about 7 channels but I've got 72. Instead of a list of the names of the 72 like before it just loads the 10 most popular and I have to go find the other 62. WTF!
It was really easy before now it's impossible arrrghhh!!
The worst thing is, being angry at all the changes on YouTube is like being angry at oxygen... whatcha gonna do, not use it?
