ST5 is one of the better Trek movies IMO because despite all the problems it’s got heart. One thing through…
trekfan said:
I’ve removed the prologue and climbing scene completely.
We now start with camping scene.
…doesn’t the climbing scene contain the setup for the entire emotional core of the movie? (Kirk facing death).
To be fair to Chewie, if one of the psychic kids from Akira turned up at my door, then suddenly revealed themselves to really be OJ Simpson, I’d be pretty freaked out too.
I meant kisses on the lips. Rey kissing Finn on the forehead means nothing just like a kiss on the cheek.
Because Mark Hamill is good actor we see they very much mean something to Luke, from the look on Mark’s face.
^ Ewww. What did she do with the hand?
Well said Heath Ledger, well said.
Ronald Reagan liked the movies enough to adopt their rhetoric.
He also thought Springsteen’s ‘Born in the USA’ was patriotic… the man was a pop-culture jackass 😉
Screengrab from YouTube a few seconds ago…
…“Battle Jawas” is the selling point, what in the actual?!?
Oh and hopefully somebody with the FX skills can overlay a baseball-bat onto Luke’s Saber in the Ridiculous Jedi edit… complete with wooden soundFX!
OMG please post that in the right thread…and then start working on your fx skills. 😉
Pasted from the ‘ROTJ is the best Star Wars film… discuss!’ thread as requested… and I can probably pull that FX off by the time you get round to this edit as I’m learning all the time.
10-pin bowling sorta soundfx would be funny too, as people fall off the skiff… what the hell is a skiff anyway?
Personally I don’t think there is anything in any of the 6 SW movies (That’s excluding ROTS for the Anakin bonfire) that make them not “kid friendly”, at any age. Although boredom is a factor for younger kids, if they don’t understand what is going on… or are watching the prequels, at any age.
I think it makes a difference, kid suitability wise who is doing the violence, who they are doing it to and the context. Luke and his aunt/uncle being murdered is 100% unequivocally a bad thing, done by the nasty baddies, with fantastic music to tell us Luke is super sad about it. Would Greedo’s children finding his black and charred corpse in the Cantina be as acceptable? Probably not.
a little more realism in that scene would play just fine.
Agreed.
Oh and hopefully somebody with the FX skills can overlay a baseball-bat onto Luke’s Saber in the Ridiculous Jedi edit… complete with wooden soundFX!
Oh really now?
Yeah you’re right, kids shouldn’t be allowed to watch Star Wars.
Dek Rollins said:
there was a lack of realistic violence occurring in the scene
You are right if I assume you mean “the odd blaster-clutching hand flying off” sorta thing. That would have probably improved things.
just the “More horrifically violent injuries please!” bit.
Nobody here said they wanted that anyway, so why are you acting like that’s what we said. I pointed out that there was a lack of realistic violence occurring in the scene, and that showing that the injured parties were receiving actual injuries would make the scene better.
I was joking there but you did you say you wanted to see them “receive visible injuries” from Luke’s Lightsaber. Apologies for assuming you meant visible injuries equal to Luke wildly swinging his Saber full force into their torsos and limbs and not minor cuts and grazes 😉
we know that that lightsaber is doing what lightsabers do
Good point 😉
None of this is valid in reference to the point, which is that when you hit someone with a lightsaber, it shouldn’t bonk off them like a bat
I didn’t disagree with the bat discussion, just the “More horrifically violent injuries please!” bit.
But since you bring it up… I do disagree that it’s used like a bat in that scene but it does look enough like a bat for me to concede it’s a totally valid criticism of ROTJ. TFA handled it very well I thought with little bits getting sliced off Ren and Finn, without resorting to gore… then again it did get a PG-13/12A rating.
Luke is swinging a lightsaber into dozens of people but none of them receive visible injuries
Come on, these are supposed to be kid friendly movies.
Before ROTJ we’d only ever seen a Jedi use his Saber against people once before and yes we saw a severed limb on the floor. That was pretty extreme and borderline for a kids film but limbs flying everywhere as Luke hacks Jabba’s minions left, right and center would be a clear R-rating dude. Of course, Ben Burtt does a lot with his soundfx in the sail barge scene with sounds of flesh being sliced/burned, screams from the dying, guts being sliced open etc.
Because there are no “visible injuries” in the shower scene in Psycho, does that make it not violent?
Or you just have bikini on the brain. 😉
Just re-watched this scene (Harmy’s version of course) with the isolated score… soooo good!
You know why I love the Sarlacc Pit scene so much…
Because it’s the first time we truly saw what a Jedi could do in battle. We’d heard they were “guardians” of the Old Republic, we’d seen some of their powers, seen a couple of old Jedi’s mental powers, seen an old Sith toy with a young apprentice… but only with this scene do you realise exactly why the Empire would want to wipe them out.
As a Jedi, Luke gives Jabba every chance and warning he can to avoid violence…
“I’m sure that we can work out an arrangement which will be mutually beneficial and enable us to avoid any unpleasant confrontation”
“You can either profit by this… or be destroyed! It’s your choice. But I warn you not to underestimate my powers.”
“You should have bargained, Jabba. That’s the last mistake you’ll ever make.”
“Jabba, this is your last chance. Free us, or die.”
…but Jabba and his minions just laugh it all off. This is to be expected (Forgetting the small prequel time gap) it’s easy to imagine that most of these people have never seen a Jedi, or even heard of what they are capable of.
Then with all peaceful options exhausted Luke gives a gesture and R2 throws him the Sabre. Minutes later, everybody has been massacred by one Jedi and his laser sword. A Jedi’s ability to turn the tide of a battle and defeat whole armies is the kind of stuff that made them legendary warriors. Another mistake of the prequels was filling the screen with wall-to-wall Jedis, it diminished the power they had in this one scene from ROTJ. The PT had them protecting the galaxy with force of numbers… instead of just protecting it with THE FORCE.
Or in short, that scene is frickin’ awesome 😉
Yay, posted 5 days ago, Mark Hamill addressing the Oxford Union debating society…
So does anyone think that The Empire Strikes Back will ever be topped as the best Star Wars movie ever made?
It was already topped in 1983.
But for those that don’t agree… Disney have infinite typewriters and infinite monkeys, so one day yes.
…and TFA’s soundtrack is really, really strong IMO. The more I listen, the more I love it. But I’d hesitate to rate it higher than 4, until I’ve had about 30 years of listening to fully judge it 😉
I’ve been listening to the scores a lot this week and the track “The Return Of The Jedi” is a total standout (Track 5 on the ROTJ disc on the trilogy anthology set). A totally thrilling and heroic 5 minutes that has my ears on the edges of their seats… if ears had seats.
You really need to have R2 say “Sounds reasonable” somewhere in the ridiculous edits. It’s fast becoming my favourite running gag on OT.com. e.g.
MEDICAL DROID: “Medically, she is completely healthy. For reasons we can’t explain, we are losing her.”
R2: “Sounds reasonable.”
This video is what’s wrong with the world… 😉
generic Serkis mocap character one million
I see. Sorta like The Godfather was just Marlon Brando oscar winning performance one million. Come on Andy, put some effort in!
I love the non-textured protocol droids standing near c3po, it’s like they gave up and just left the models alone.
Wow. I thought ILM weren’t bringing their A-Game to the PT… but jesus.
If that level of commitment and respect for the work is considered lazy then I must be basically Jabba the Hutt in comparison.
round of applause for Darth Lucas