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#1056058
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Sougouk said:

corellian77 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I can’t think of any other culture that I’d rather live in.

How about the cultures of countries 1 through 6?

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/overall-full-list

Woohoo! Canada is #2!

Yay. The UK came #3 in a meaningless and arbitrary list!

Take that Germany, we beat you again.

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#1055820
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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TV’s Frink said:

Whaaaaaaaaaaaa?

http://lawnewz.com/video/foxs-judge-napolitano-obama-admin-used-british-intel-service-to-spy-on-trump-during-campaign/

Fox News judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano appeared on “Fox and Friends” on Tuesday morning where he made a rather startling accusation about claims that President Obama ordered electronic intercepts of conversations Donald Trump and members of his campaign had with foreign leaders during the campaign and transition. Essentially, the former judge alleged that sources had confirmed to him that the Obama administration essentially farmed out the Trump surveillance task to Britain to ensure American fingerprints would never show up on the project.

According to Napolitano,”Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command” to conduct the surveillance on Trump. He further explained that Obama “didn’t use the NSA, he didn’t use the CIA, he didn’t use the FBI, and he didn’t use the Department of Justice.” Instead, Judge Napolitano, said Obama went to the British intelligence services version of the NSA to do the work, GCHQ.

“went outside the chain of command” translates as “he went where there wouldn’t be any proof, which explains the zero proof we have”.

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#1055563
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

TV’s Frink said:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/steve-kings-racially-charged-comments-put-republicans-the-spot

“You cannot rebuild your civilization with somebody else’s babies. You’ve got to keep your birth rate up and that you need to teach your children your values” and in doing so, then you can grow your population and you can strengthen your culture, you can strengthen your way of life,”

Please tell me that ^ is really part of an 80-90 year-old speech from Hitler that the article mistakenly quoted and not a CNN interview by an elected member of the US congress from today?

I guess I am blind and stupid, but what is so bad about the quote itself? I’m not seeing it.

You don’t think those sentences sound like he is saying America needs to be breeding certain types of people to keep the nation pure? Sure sounds like Nazism to me… and judging by all the Nazis currently zieg-heiling this Congressman all over social-media, I guess it sure sounds like Nazism to them too.

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#1055511
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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TV’s Frink said:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/steve-kings-racially-charged-comments-put-republicans-the-spot

“You cannot rebuild your civilization with somebody else’s babies. You’ve got to keep your birth rate up and that you need to teach your children your values” and in doing so, then you can grow your population and you can strengthen your culture, you can strengthen your way of life,”

Please tell me that ^ is really part of an 80-90 year-old speech from Hitler that the article mistakenly quoted and not a CNN interview by an elected member of the US congress from today?

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#1054904
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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TV’s Frink said:

Jobs report has basically the same numbers as it has had going back any number of months, and all those times it was fake. But now it’s real. Ok.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/10/19-times-trump-called-the-jobs-numbers-fake-before-they-made-him-look-good/?utm_term=.712ae3fe92b7

Wow, he can still surprise. Does he have any conception how high 42% is? You have to wonder if he has a grasp on basic maths.

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#1053767
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Among the usual hailstorm of nonsense, some tweets by Trump still stand out, like this one…

…when it’s pointed out that he just watched this…

…on his TV (probably minutes before) and then when it’s also pointed out that 111 of them were in fact released by Bush. Somebody should tell him that he now has a vast staff of public servants to check facts for him.

By the way, this clip here is very funny. Good work John Oliver('s researchers)…

https://twitter.com/Mike_P_Williams/status/838916082425552896

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#1053259
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

TV’s Frink said:

Ryan is not from the US and I’m not sure how his party system works

To put it as simply as I can… In a UK General Election. We just vote for our local MP. The Party with the most MPs wins and must form a government. We don’t directly vote for the Prime-Minister.

Which is why I used the word “Party” in my example. I think we all understand what I was saying.

US elections work differently. For each office that we election, be it Congress person, Senator, or US President, we have Primary Elections and General Elections.

In Primary Elections, you decide which candidate will represent the party. Democrats vote on one ballot and Republicans vote on another. In last year’s Primary Election, we had on the Democratic ballot for President Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders and couple of other minor Democrats. Everyone who is registered as a Democrat went to polls and voted for which Democrat they wanted to represent the Democratic party in the General Election. We had on the Republican ballot for President Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, John Kasich and Chris Christie and couple of other minor Republicans. Everyone who is registered as a Republican went to polls and voted for which Republican they wanted to represent the Republican party in the General Election. Hillary Clinton won the Democratic primary and Donald Trump won the Republican primary.

In General Election, you decide which candidate will be elected. In this year’s Presidential Election, you had winners of the Democratic and Republican primaries(Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump), anyone running as an independent candidate and those representing minor parties on the ballot(you can also choose to write-in someone not appearing on the ballot if you want to vote that way).

Yes I know how it works and I’ve been following it but it’s not relevant to the point I was making.

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#1053249
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

TV’s Frink said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

TV’s Frink said:

Ryan is not from the US and I’m not sure how his party system works

WeTo put it as simply as I can… In a General Election. We just vote for our local MP. The Party with ththe most MPs wins and must form a government. We don’t directly vote for the Prime-Minister.

In the US, a primary is an election held by a party to determine who will represent that party in the upcoming general election against the other party or parties. Hillary beat Bernie in the Dem primary and Trump beat a billion other Republicans in the Repub primary.

I think I’ve got a handle on it all this year. It seems like a very complicated system overall… and it still comes up with a result 2.7 million votes shy of the right answer 😉

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#1053244
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

Okay. I will try one more time

Let us say there are 2 people. Person A and person B. They are registered in different polling places. Now, lets say person B for whatever doesn’t vote. What is to stop person A from going to his own polling place, vote and then going to person B’s polling place and lie and say he was person B and then vote again? Without requiring IDs, what is to stop that? How would person A get caught?

As I’ve already said… nothing.

If person-A knew person-B’s name, knew with certainty that they were not going to vote, knew at what polling station they were registered to vote, knew what their voting intentions were and knew that person-B was not known to the officials at the polling station (not unlikely in my experience)… then yeah they could commit the perfect crime and nobody would know.

You have a point here. (However person A would not need to know person B’s voting intentions, only that he wasn’t going to vote)

If your intent was to change a persons vote from party-A to party-B, it could matter that you selected a target that wasn’t going to vote for party-B already. Otherwise you potentially aren’t a very effective election fraudster.

The party thing would only matter in primaries, not general elections.

It wouldn’t?

Not in general elections. It does matter in the primaries, when you are voting to decide which candidate will represent the party in the general election, but it doesn’t matter in the general election.

You have it backwards, because you said “the party thing would only matter in primaries, not general elections.”

No, I don’t. We were talking about whether or not person A would need to know the party affiliation of person B. The only time person A would need to know that is in primary elections, not general elections.

Primary Elections:

You vote by party to determine who will represent the party in the general election. There are separate ballots for each party.

General Elections:

You vote for you want for whatever office you are voting for. There is only ballot.

Regardless, Ryan is not from the US and I’m not sure how his party system works, but he could have just said “if your intent was to change a person’s vote from person-A to person-B, it could matter that you selected a target that wasn’t going to vote for person-B already. Otherwise you potentially aren’t a very effective election fraudster.”

No, in our discussion, person B was a person who wasn’t going to vote all. If it was a general election and person B wasn’t going to vote but was registered to vote, person A come come into person B’s polling place and vote as person B.

Party/Primary/General/Person/etc it doesn’t matter. We are just talking about a choice. Person A’s choice, Person B’s choice.

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#1053239
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

TV’s Frink said:

Ryan is not from the US and I’m not sure how his party system works

To put it as simply as I can… In a UK General Election. We just vote for our local MP. The Party with the most MPs wins and must form a government*. We don’t directly vote for the Prime-Minister.

Which is why I used the word “Party” in my example. I think we all understand what I was saying.

(* Technically, the two (or more) biggest losing parties could also form a coalition government, if the winning party’s victory was so feeble that they were unable to form one)

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#1053224
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

Okay. I will try one more time

Let us say there are 2 people. Person A and person B. They are registered in different polling places. Now, lets say person B for whatever doesn’t vote. What is to stop person A from going to his own polling place, vote and then going to person B’s polling place and lie and say he was person B and then vote again? Without requiring IDs, what is to stop that? How would person A get caught?

As I’ve already said… nothing.

If person-A knew person-B’s name, knew with certainty that they were not going to vote, knew at what polling station they were registered to vote, knew what their voting intentions were and knew that person-B was not known to the officials at the polling station (not unlikely in my experience)… then yeah they could commit the perfect crime and nobody would know.

You have a point here. (However person A would not need to know person B’s voting intentions, only that he wasn’t going to vote)

If your intent was to change a persons vote from party-A to party-B, it could matter that you selected a target that wasn’t going to vote for party-B already. Otherwise you potentially aren’t a very effective election fraudster.

The party thing would only matter in primaries, not general elections.

It wouldn’t?

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#1053075
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

Okay. I will try one more time

Let us say there are 2 people. Person A and person B. They are registered in different polling places. Now, lets say person B for whatever doesn’t vote. What is to stop person A from going to his own polling place, vote and then going to person B’s polling place and lie and say he was person B and then vote again? Without requiring IDs, what is to stop that? How would person A get caught?

As I’ve already said… nothing.

If person-A knew person-B’s name, knew with certainty that they were not going to vote, knew at what polling station they were registered to vote, knew what their voting intentions were and knew that person-B was not known to the officials at the polling station (not unlikely in my experience)… then yeah they could commit the perfect crime and nobody would know.

You have a point here. (However person A would not need to know person B’s voting intentions, only that he wasn’t going to vote)

If your intent was to change a persons vote from party-A to party-B, it could matter that you selected a target that wasn’t going to vote for party-B already. Otherwise you potentially aren’t a very effective election fraudster.

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#1052975
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

Okay. I will try one more time

Let us say there are 2 people. Person A and person B. They are registered in different polling places. Now, lets say person B for whatever doesn’t vote. What is to stop person A from going to his own polling place, vote and then going to person B’s polling place and lie and say he was person B and then vote again? Without requiring IDs, what is to stop that? How would person A get caught?

As I’ve already said… nothing.

If person-A knew person-B’s name, knew with certainty that they were not going to vote, knew at what polling station they were registered to vote, knew what their voting intentions were and knew that person-B was not known to the officials at the polling station (not unlikely in my experience)… then yeah they could commit the perfect crime and nobody would know.

How is that one person-A going to swing an election unless they’ve got all that info on more than person-b?

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#1052924
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Why do you need voter ID?

If I go to the polling station in the UK, I could bring along an ID, a passport, a birth-certificate, a drivers-license and 6ft-tall-portrait of myself in oils and I still wouldn’t be able to fraudulently vote because if my name wasn’t on their list, they wouldn’t give me a ballot a paper. They don’t ask for any sort of identification because they have no need to.

Tell me what is to stop someone else from claiming to you and voting in your place?

Nothing… but then when I went to vote soon after, the polling station would know somebody had voted fraudulently instantaneously (because my name would already be crossed off the list they had at the polling station).

What if you decided not to vote for whatever reason, If that happened, some could vote under your name and they’d never get caught. Also if you are required to have ID, how are they going to tell the fake you from the real you?

If it happened more than once they could conceivably re-run the election but nobody bothers because the fraud would be so obvious to everybody. Nobody would be able to swing an election by pretending to be other people.

Warbler said:

What would stop you from voting with your own vote and going to another polling place and claim to be someone else and vote twice?

I wouldn’t be on the list at another polling station, so it wouldn’t be possible to vote twice.

I guess you missed the part where I said “claim to be someone else”.

Like I said, it ain’t gonna happen because of the near certainty of being caught.

How would you get caught?

The act, not the person in the way I already described.

My general point is, it comes down to a choice between…

  1. ID-card required = Near 100% vote security and massive suppression of turnout (skewed heavily towards certain demographics)
  2. No ID-card required = Near 100% vote security and minimum restriction of turnout (with no specific demographic effected)

Number 2 gets my vote (wink) every time.

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#1052898
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Why do you need voter ID?

If I go to the polling station in the UK, I could bring along an ID, a passport, a birth-certificate, a drivers-license and 6ft-tall-portrait of myself in oils and I still wouldn’t be able to fraudulently vote because if my name wasn’t on their list, they wouldn’t give me a ballot a paper. They don’t ask for any sort of identification because they have no need to.

Tell me what is to stop someone else from claiming to you and voting in your place?

Nothing… but then when I went to vote soon after, the polling station would know somebody had voted fraudulently instantaneously (because my name would already be crossed off the list they had at the polling station).

What if you decided not to vote for whatever reason, If that happened, some could vote under your name and they’d never get caught. Also if you are required to have ID, how are they going to tell the fake you from the real you?

If it happened more than once they could conceivably re-run the election but nobody bothers because the fraud would be so obvious to everybody. Nobody would be able to swing an election by pretending to be other people.

Warbler said:

What would stop you from voting with your own vote and going to another polling place and claim to be someone else and vote twice?

I wouldn’t be on the list at another polling station, so it wouldn’t be possible to vote twice.

I guess you missed the part where I said “claim to be someone else”.

Like I said, it ain’t gonna happen because of the near certainty of being caught. If enough people committed fraud to swing an election, they’d know and re-run it, if there weren’t enough to effect the election it doesn’t matter anyway. Either way it’s not a problem. Election fraud really isn’t a big deal under a reasonably rational system with public oversight. The people in office lobbying for voter-ID want it for another reason.

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#1052828
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Why do you need voter ID?

If I go to the polling station in the UK, I could bring along an ID, a passport, a birth-certificate, a drivers-license and 6ft-tall-portrait of myself in oils and I still wouldn’t be able to fraudulently vote because if my name wasn’t on their list, they wouldn’t give me a ballot a paper. They don’t ask for any sort of identification because they have no need to.

Tell me what is to stop someone else from claiming to you and voting in your place?

Nothing… but then when I went to vote soon after, the polling station would know somebody had voted fraudulently instantaneously (because my name would already be crossed off the list they had at the polling station). If it happened more than once they could conceivably re-run the election but nobody bothers because the fraud would be so obvious to everybody. Nobody would be able to swing an election by pretending to be other people.

Warbler said:

What would stop you from voting with your own vote and going to another polling place and claim to be someone else and vote twice?

I wouldn’t be on the list at another polling station, so it wouldn’t be possible to vote twice.

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#1052753
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Why do you need voter ID?

If I go to the polling station in the UK, I could bring along an ID, a passport, a birth-certificate, a drivers-license and 6ft-tall-portrait of myself in oils and I still wouldn’t be able to fraudulently vote because if my name wasn’t on their list, they wouldn’t give me a ballot a paper. They don’t ask for any sort of identification because they have no need to.

Once they hand me the ballot, I put a pencil cross next to the candidate and drop it into the box. They cross my name off. It doesn’t have to be that complicated.

(Getting yourself fraudulently onto the list before hand is another discussion but a voter ID wouldn’t make any difference to that either)

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#1052622
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Some Star Wars related political stories;

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/1/stormtrooper-costumes-banned-from-star-wars-themed/

Now THIS is political correctness gone too far.

Judging from this quote, I think it’s less “political correctness”…

“We have been informed of the origin of this word (Stormtrooper) and its connections to early- to mid-20th century Germany. This is something neither we nor anyone on your Reunion Committee were aware of”

…and more some people just being idiots, lacking even the most basic knowledge of world history.

how is it not “political correctness”?

I didn’t say it wasn’t political correctness. I said the people were morons to begin with. The stupidity was much more of a motivating factor in this incident than PC being a problem. Any concept in the hands of imbeciles isn’t going to work.

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#1052600
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Some Star Wars related political stories;

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/1/stormtrooper-costumes-banned-from-star-wars-themed/

Now THIS is political correctness gone too far.

Judging from this quote, I think it’s less “political correctness”…

“We have been informed of the origin of this word (Stormtrooper) and its connections to early- to mid-20th century Germany. This is something neither we nor anyone on your Reunion Committee were aware of”

…and more some people just being idiots, lacking even the most basic knowledge of world history.