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Post: #245276
Topic: Info: 2006 GOUT DVD using 'Faces' PCM Sound?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245276/action/topic#245276
Time: 17-Sep-2006 7:07 PM

ADM - I think your questions are answered here:

Originally posted by: Belbucus
I have done a full digital transfer of the DC/Faces audio with side change gaps patched to sample accuracy - upconverted to 48k in ProTools HD, which I have found to be a very transparent scheme. I have not yet verified that it is identical in timing to that of the DVD, but it would be unlikely if it was not. And, if for some reason it WAS off, that can be fixed.

I also have a cut a very high quality analogue transfer of the Dolby Stereo (35mm) mix from P&S Laserdisc – also at 48k. It also has all side change gaps patched, as well as all previously documented problems fixed. It has not been timed to match the DC/Faces track yet, but I will probably get to that as soon as I finish up with the monomix. There has also been some interest expressed in the’85 remix, which is relatively low on my list, but I will get to it eventually.

Originally, the plan was to prepare all 4 mixes to run in sync with video from the DC/Faces Laserdiscs, and make them available to the group. Hopefully, the DVD will be identical - if not, it can be adjusted. and here:Originally posted by: Belbucus
There ARE two points where the DC/Faces audio drops synch with that of the DVD (not including the DVD layer change).

1) The cut from Mos Eisly exterior to beginning of Han’s confrontation with Greedo.

2) Oddly enough, at what would have been the last reel changeover when projected theatrically (probably just a coincidence).

I’ve adjusted the DC/Faces file for both.

The DVD layer change, as with the 2004 DVD, seems to fall at the cut between “Terminate her immediately” and the FALCON in hyperspace.

In preparing this for mass consumption, I have a couple of questions. First, would it in any way make it more convenient to split the file for DVD layers 1 and 2, or should I keep it as one big continuous file? Second, is there anyway to identify an exact start point relative the video for synch purposes? Or perhaps a sample number corresponding to a specific frame?

Post: #245209
Topic: How I learned to stop worrying and love the 2004 dvd's
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245209/action/topic#245209
Time: 17-Sep-2006 3:29 PM

Andrew-Kenneth - it's great (for you) that you have found a way to enjoy the '04 discs. As you can see, most people here can't overlook the destructive effect of the SE changes. For me personally, even if they were the OUT, I couldn't overlook the color/contrast issues. It is not simply a case of more blue, more color - the palette has been changed considerably. And no amount of brightness can restore detail lost in shadow areas. However, if you're happy, I'm happy for you.

Post: #245202
Topic: The Official Release VS. EditDroid
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245202/action/topic#245202
Time: 17-Sep-2006 3:14 PM

The EditDroid edition is the best NTSC letterboxed LD transfer without question, and it looks great.

If you haven't seen the GOUT, which is a lot better. Okay, it's surprisingly grainy. But in every other video comparison it outstrips every bootleg.

Post: #245194
Topic: This guy will not be buying the DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245194/action/topic#245194
Time: 17-Sep-2006 3:01 PM

I am not one of the people who insists on claiming that Lucas has 4k scans sitting around that he is deliberately withholding. I'm pretty sure the O-neg was pulled apart for the SE and that a new anamorphic edition isn't just as easy as pressing a button.

However, I'm certain that LFL has enough materials at its disposal that they could make a pristine hi-res video edition of the OUT, albeit with the investment of some time and cost, which could easily be recouped on the disc sales. The only thing that is lacking is the will to do it.

Now Jim Ward (or whoever) has talked Lucas into releasing these, against his will. Lucas has said "now we'll see which versions the fans really want" (or whatever). They are selling well, LFL will make a lot of money and Jim Ward (or whoever) will probably press for a better release in future, and Lucas may agree. Whatever way you look at it, the OUT release is a positive step for OUT fans - we're certainly better off than we were before these came out.

The issue of "owing" doesn't come into it. The films should, of course, be preserved as well as possible from a historical perspective.

Post: #245182
Topic: StarWarsLegacy.com - The Official Thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245182/action/topic#245182
Time: 17-Sep-2006 2:25 PM

Mike, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on color correction and recovering detail from dark areas from the '04 set. It seems to me that there is a lot more than an across the board CC (it's almost akin to a full DI). Do you think it's possible to return to the original colors, or are you not attempting that? Similarly, with the loss of detail (illustrated nicely in your "Crunch Time" editorial) - isn't there stuff that's gone, never to return?

Post: #245177
Topic: Info Wanted: TR47 set audio question
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245177/action/topic#245177
Time: 17-Sep-2006 2:12 PM

Thanks Arnie for looking that up - so both TR47/Cowclops are analogue recordings - though I recall reports of clipping on the v1. I seem to recall MBJ did a digital rip of the "Faces" ('93 mix) SW audio. And Neil Bulk did one of the Dolby Stereo SW. Can anyone confirm these?

Post: #244764
Topic: Info Wanted: Anyone Planning on making Anamorphic versions using 2006 OUT DVDs?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244764/action/topic#244764
Time: 15-Sep-2006 6:48 PM

I'm not sure about the separate sources for luma and chroma idea - it sounds good, but they're different telecines/scans aren't they? Which would mean registration problems.

First clip looks pretty good, Laserschwert.

Post: #244761
Topic: Info: 2006 GOUT DVD using 'Faces' PCM Sound?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244761/action/topic#244761
Time: 15-Sep-2006 6:43 PM

Well, the '93 mix isn't theatrically authentic anyway, so go ahead if you like. Although it might confuse people more.

Post: #244759
Topic: SW.com: "First and ONLY TIme"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244759/action/topic#244759
Time: 15-Sep-2006 6:36 PM

Seriously, Mike, you gotta stop doing that. His post was right above yours.

Post: #244744
Topic: Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244744/action/topic#244744
Time: 15-Sep-2006 6:09 PM

Checked 4, 5, 6, 8, 11, 14, 16, 22, 29, 32, 33, 35, 36 on Zion's site and they are all off by one frame.

But none of these are my caps - which are the correct frames.

Post: #244736
Topic: POLL: So Who Bought Them & Who Didn't? (the 2006 GOUT DVD release)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244736/action/topic#244736
Time: 15-Sep-2006 6:02 PM

They are the best available home video edition of the OUT. Nuff said.

Post: #244722
Topic: Limited Edition Packaging Scans
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244722/action/topic#244722
Time: 15-Sep-2006 5:14 PM

No comment.

Post: #244715
Topic: Info Wanted: Anyone Planning on making Anamorphic versions using 2006 OUT DVDs?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244715/action/topic#244715
Time: 15-Sep-2006 4:42 PM

I don't think anyone could recover the real colors from the '04 SE - they've been tweaked individually, it's not an overall thing. That would be like an SE SE.

Post: #244714
Topic: Are the PAL GOUT DVDs upscaled from the NTSC masters?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244714/action/topic#244714
Time: 15-Sep-2006 4:39 PM

I reckon it is. All the more reason the THX PAL master should have been the GOUT master - no potentially flawed IVTC and good enough resolution to make a good anamorphic NTSC upscale.

Post: #244708
Topic: Info Wanted: Anyone Planning on making Anamorphic versions using 2006 OUT DVDs?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244708/action/topic#244708
Time: 15-Sep-2006 4:27 PM

I refuse to believe they used line-doubling.

Post: #244692
Topic: Info: 2006 GOUT DVD using 'Faces' PCM Sound?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244692/action/topic#244692
Time: 15-Sep-2006 3:40 PM

Thanks a lot for preparing these tracks, belbucus. I'm particularly looking forward to the Dolby stereo and restored mono mixes. Do you have Neil Bulk's digital capture of the Dolby stereo?

Like Arnie, I recall that TR47/Cowclops v2 was said to have digital PCM, but I'm not certain.

Post: #244395
Topic: First Impressions of the OOT ...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244395/action/topic#244395
Time: 14-Sep-2006 7:00 PM

umdesch4, if you're serious about wanting to see matte boxes, try to get a tape that was recorded from an early TV broadcast.

Post: #244376
Topic: First Impressions of the OOT ...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244376/action/topic#244376
Time: 14-Sep-2006 6:29 PM

Bottom line is they are the best home video version of the OUT available. They are not perfect, but they are the best way to enjoy SW at home (unless you own a print and projector).

Post: #244363
Topic: First Impressions of the OOT ...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244363/action/topic#244363
Time: 14-Sep-2006 6:07 PM

It says "bonus disc" on the disc - see here.

Post: #244359
Topic: So, a simple question....
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244359/action/topic#244359
Time: 14-Sep-2006 6:03 PM

Right. But if you play it back in a PAL system, you can't avoid interpolation.

Post: #244354
Topic: This guy will not be buying the DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244354/action/topic#244354
Time: 14-Sep-2006 5:59 PM

Okay. I read everything Go-Mer said in the Try to take it easy with the Lucas bashing thread. I didn't have a problem with any of that either. Make no mistake, I think the prequels and SE suck. But I don't have anything against people who like them, especially if they have nothing against me and even go out of their way to find points of agreement with the tone of this forum generally.

Post: #244343
Topic: Are the PAL GOUT DVDs upscaled from the NTSC masters?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244343/action/topic#244343
Time: 14-Sep-2006 5:44 PM

I'm guessing it's because more work was done on the NTSC version and that now represents the only official version of the OSAT.

Post: #244333
Topic: Are the PAL GOUT DVDs upscaled from the NTSC masters?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244333/action/topic#244333
Time: 14-Sep-2006 5:26 PM

I actually think this is worse than the non-anamorphic thing. Okay, the resolution difference is smaller, but there's a perfectly good PAL LD master that could have been used at no cost.

Post: #244324
Topic: So, a simple question....
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244324/action/topic#244324
Time: 14-Sep-2006 5:09 PM

Yes indeed.

Post: #244321
Topic: Vader on 1977 Saturday Morning preview
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244321/action/topic#244321
Time: 14-Sep-2006 5:07 PM

Isn't that on one of ocp's discs (the Wolfman Jack thing)? Return of the Ewok?