Superweapon VII

I don’t get the appeal for Maul. Is it just the aesthetic? I think it’s banal. I like Iain McCaig’s original concept art, where there was an understated seductive quality to his expression and the “horns” were actually feathers tied in place with razor wire, but none of those qualities were carried through in the actual makeup or Ray Park’s performance. He’s just spooky scary demon man with bad teeth. Meh. I’d much rather Dooku had been the main antagonist, and with a whole helluvalot more depth to his character than what we got in AOTC & ROTS.

JadedSkywalker said:

Didn’t Leia meet a Mando named Fenn Shysa in Marvel?

Yeah. And he and his compatriots all had Irish accents for some reason. They and Boba Fett fought on the side of the Empire during the Clone Wars, which apparently were so close in time to the OT that Leia was around and active during them. None of this ended up meshing well with the EU of the '90s, which is why I don’t really consider them part of the same continuity.

NFBisms said:

Granted, it’s like right up to the 1999 line (late '98), but - Redemption. Nomi’s administrative obligations [as a Republic representative] to the conclave rebuilding the Order basically pre-creates Andor’s whole Mon and Leida Mothma bit between her and Vima, (which pushes Vima to seek out Ulic). Nomi, Tott, and Sylvar get into political squabbling about whether Ulic should be tried for his war crimes. They have diplomatic roles on Ryloth and Cathar.

It feels closer to the roles of the prequel Jedi (more than the Dudes Rock™ of the Qel-Droma boys in the preceding titles), even if it’s all predicated on Jedi having children or being widowers.

I definitely got the sense when reading Redemption that KJA intended the aftermath of the Great Sith War the moment in time when the decentralized Jedi Order of the previous TOTJ arcs began transitioning into the centralized Jedi Order of the prequels. I think Nomi even makes a remark about creating a permanent Jedi Council. But true to form, later EU contradicts this, anachronistically making the Jedi Council a thing prior to the Sith War.

I personally don’t mind the Jedi of the prequel era being more centralized, hierarchical, and legalistic than the ancient Jedi. As someone who has a deep interest in early Christianity and its evolution, I enjoy the parallels. I also believe this makes Luke’s restoration of the Jedi all the more poignant, as he’s not merely bringing back the Jedi Order, but restoring it to a purer form absent the ossified traditions which contributed to its downfall. But I do mind the dogmatic Jedi being the rule rather than the exception throughout time, like what we see now in the Disney canon.

Vladius said:

Even as late as 1999 and 2000, maybe 2001 there are comics that have a Jedi couple in the prequel era. I don’t know a lot about it but one of them is a tree lady. It started with Attack of the Clones.

That’d be Tholme, Quinlan Vos’ master, and T’ra Saa. They were both created in the interregnum between TPM & AOTC. An interesting period of the EU, as it’s basically a transitional form between the pre-&-post-1999 EU. They went as far as to make Ki-Adi-Mundi polygamous with multiple children.

Meh.

I know when ROTJ was being made, Lucas intended Luke’s black outfit to be the standard Jedi uniform (at least in style, if not necessarily colour). Also Children of the Jedi implies that Jedi masters specifically wore black cloaks. So this led me to believe prequel-era Jedi were distinguished by rank by their regalia.

Jedi apprentice: simple double-breasted black jumpsuit.
Jedi knight: jumpsuit + tunic w. tabard
Jedi master: jumpsuit + robe w. tabard + cloak (a black version of Luke’s TFA outfit essentially)

Vladius said:

Superweapon VII said:

Darth Vader is not a good villain. The closest he came to becoming one was in TESB. But ROTJ and the PT showed that at heart, he’s just a capricious, selfish punk.

This is a truly awful opinion

The right thread for it, then. 😛

I’ve set out to try again at a comprehensive reading of the Bible. I tried once before, reading straight through cover-to-cover, but tapped out before finishing Exodus. This time I’m using a different approach. I’ve started with the New Testament; instead of going by canonical order, I’m following Marcus Borg’s chronological order. Once I’ve finished the NT, I’ll go back to the Hebrew Bible and read it according to the Jewish canon (Torah, Nev’im, and Ketuvim). Then I’ll finish with the deuterocanonical books, including those canon to the Slavonic and Ethopian Orthodox churches. I’ll mostly be reading from my New Oxford Annotated Bible based on the NRSV, but for books like Jubilees and Enoch, I’ll have to look elsewhere.

Eventually, I plan on tackling the Nag Hammadi library (the so-called Gnostic Gospels) and other Judeo-Christian pseudepigrapha.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Lexa C said:

Anakin: “I killed them. I killed them all. They’re dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children, too. They’re like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I HATE THEM!”

Padme: “To be angry is to be human”.

That’s actually peak comedic timing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tpTiu__vw0

Shyamalan reminds me a lot of Joel Schumacher. They both can/could make very good films, and also very poor ones.

I imagine more of a retrofuturist aesthetic overall, with an Art Deco touch, though perhaps Coruscant’s architecture would be more Gothic, in keeping with Ralph McQuarrie’s concept art for ROTJ. Everything would be cleaner and in better condition; not much of the OT’s “used universe” aesthetic would be in play here, except in the seamiest of places. Imperial and Rebel ships would’ve evolved from earlier Republic designs; think first-generation Star Destroyers housing pristine Y-Wings and Z-95 Headhunters. Mon Calamari and Quarren wouldn’t be around, as they didn’t make first contact with the greater galaxy until after the formation of the Empire. Korriban and perhaps a few other planets from the ancient Sith Empire would logically make appearances.

theprequelsrule said:

If you are in your 40s and still take Star Wars seriously you should seek out a therapist. Immediately.

I take it deadly unseriously.

In 1977, when Anakin and Vader were separate characters, I believe Anakin and Ben were peers of roughly the same age while Darth was much younger. When Lucas fused the two, it seems to me he initially leaned towards keeping the character around the same age as Ben. If Lucas hadn’t had a falling out with David Prowse, we maybe would’ve gotten Prowse in the unmasking scene, but though he was in his late forties during the filming of ROTJ, he might’ve been aged up with makeup. But when he started making TPM, he wanted Anakin as a young kid — a 12/13-year-old at first, then aged down to 9 to make his separation from Shmi more emotionally impactful.

Channel72 said:

Superweapon VII said:

After further consideration, I’ve realized I also want a Ziro the Hutt movie directed by John Waters.

Only if they use AI to resurrect Divine as a Jedi Master and/or Sith Lord, preferably done in a way that shows very poor taste.

“Don’t ever stop doing what you’re doing. Han, shoot your shot.”

After further consideration, I’ve realized I also want a Ziro the Hutt movie directed by John Waters.

Really gets my goat how so many Legend of Zelda YouTube channels use footage from the 3DS remakes when discussing Ocarina of Time and Majora’s Mask.

Much as I dislike the prequel lightsaber colour symbology, I’m glad Lucas never actually addressed it in the films themselves. Like, it would’ve been so easy for him to have Qui-Gon identify Maul as Sith by his red lightsaber, but this doesn’t happen. But the goddamn EU writers have to overthink everything (and yes, this includes Filoni).

What I’d like to see:

• A proper restoration and re-release of the OOT. Hell, throw in restorations of the 97SE and 04SE, too, just to please fans of those versions.
• A Rogue One Special Edition to bring it in-line quality-wise with Andor.
• Restoration of the Infinities imprint. I’d love to see comic adaptations of the second and third drafts of SW, not to mention an adaptation of Leigh Brackett’s TESB draft. A comic series chronicling the pre-1999 version of the Clone Wars/rise of the Empire would be pretty sweet, too.

End of line.

Melinda Lindmark

It’s the best take to take, if you wish to accept each trilogy as valid.

Myself, I go all Wile E. Coyote with the dynamite.

Darth Vader is not a good villain. The closest he came to becoming one was in TESB. But ROTJ and the PT showed that at heart, he’s just a capricious, selfish punk.

philraid said:

There’s so many lines between Anakin and Padme that I could choose from, but these are the ones that stick out in my mind:

“You are so beautiful.”
“It’s only because I’m so in love.”
“No, it’s because I’m so in love with you.”
“So love has blinded you?”
This is the one scene I consider skipping whenever I rewatch that movie. It’s mercifully short, but that dialogue is painful. And it doesn’t even make sense either, it’s like a line or two got cut.

This 110%. I remember feeling my heart sink to the pit of my stomach the first time I watched that scene. I was still too young to quite recognize the abysmal quality of the dialogue/delivery in TPM & AOTC when I first watched them, but I was finally old enough when ROTS rolled around, and this exchange was a doozy.

Kit Fisto immersing his arm up to the shoulder in xenomorph saliva.

NeverarGreat said:

Leia is my favorite character in A New Hope. She becomes less interesting in the next two movies because they fail to explore how the destruction of her home affected her, but her bold self-confidence and almost sassy demeanor in the first film never fails to put a smile on my face.

Indeed. Besides, having your home and loved ones nuked to dust would make anyone surly.