Superweapon VII

G&G-Fan said:

Superweapon VII said:

Lucas briefly toyed with the idea of a 12-episode saga. Episode I would’ve been the prelude to the Clone Wars trilogy, with Episode V serving as an interquel between the Clone & Star Wars trilogies. That would’ve given us 4-5 films in which to explore Vader’s rise and fall.

What could’ve been. But this is why I’m partial to rewrites/fanedits which jettison the episode numbers altogether.

Where would episode 6 have gone then?

Episode VI would’ve been the film we already got in '77.

Anyway, here’re Lucas’ handwritten notes for the proposed 12-episode saga:

Couldn’t find larger copies, so you’ll have to squint. Sorry.

Sometimes dead is better.

CourtlyHades296 said:

The Nintendo 64 is an overrated console that was ruined by the decision to use cartridges rather than CDs. This crippled the system (which would be more powerful than PS1 if it used CDs), and limited its third-party support.

Not sure how unpopular this opinion is. I’ve heard it numerous times.

My sister bought an N64 over a year ago, allowing me to play some of those games again for the first times in years. And yeah, I agree, it’s not as good a system as I remembered it being. The two Zelda games are probably among the only N64 games that actually look good.

Channel72 said:

In general, a story like the Prequels is very hard to write. A “good guy turns evil” script is not easy to pull off in a believable way, especially in only 3 movies. Yeah, the Godfather pulled it off, but that’s why its revered as a classic. Also, Michael Corleone went from a normal every-man to a very unforgiving mafia boss. Anakin has to go from an honorable, likable hero, to a genocidal fascist cyborg in only 3 films. This kind of story is hard to pull off, and I almost wonder if The Phantom Menace was Lucas’ way of unconsciously procrastinating on all that difficult dramatic writing.

Lucas briefly toyed with the idea of a 12-episode saga. Episode I would’ve been the prelude to the Clone Wars trilogy, with Episode V serving as an interquel between the Clone & Star Wars trilogies. That would’ve given us 4-5 films in which to explore Vader’s rise and fall.

What could’ve been. But this is why I’m partial to rewrites/fanedits which jettison the episode numbers altogether.

Spartacus01 said:

The last movie I watched is Give It A Year, with Rose Byrne and Rafa Spall.

There will be spoilers of the movie, so don’t read if you don’t want spoilers!

Man, what I can say? I really love Rose Byrne since I saw her playing Dormé in Star Wars. But this… This is too much. I can’t stand this movie at all.

The thing is… Basically, there’s this married couple. They really want to make the marriage work, but they really can’t, because they have feelings for other people. Now, a good ending would have been them overcoming all of this and learning that, while marriage is about compromise and sacrifice, in the end it’s worth it. But no, in the end they just break up and go with the other people they have feelings for. Ugh… I just hate this!

I am one of the few romantic people left in the world, and I still believe in love and marriage, so I REALLY hate when stories end like this. I mean, I understand that you can’t control your heart and everything, but it would have been waaaaay better if the movie made you understand that there’s no hope for them from the beginning. Instead, the movie makes you have hope for them until the very end, and then destroys every hope in the last scenes, where they just break up and go away with their other love interests. It just sucks.

I find these types of stories frustrating, too. Though my frustration springs from polyamorous sentiments.

Spuffure said:

Superweapon VII said:

Spuffure said:

Superweapon VII said:

And since I’ve been reminded: Fast Times at Ridgemont High is not a good movie.

I’m curious: what are some other '80s “classics” you dislike?

Aliens, Altered States, An American Tail, Ferris Bueller’s Day Off, Flash Gordon, and Revenge of the Nerds have all fanned my hatred or indifference. I’d also include Pretty in Pink, but I wasn’t able to finish that one, so it doesn’t feel fair to include it.

Yeah. I get what you’re going at. '80s cheese is not on my diet.

I also completely understand why you don’t really like teen comedies of the era. I find '80s teen-related stuff annoying as shit. Not to mention lowbrow “humour”.

I don’t dislike them as a whole, though. I quite like John Hughes as a filmmaker, actually.

And I got Pretty in Pink mixed up with Sixteen Candles. Pretty in Pink wasn’t bad at all.

Spuffure said:

The '[]0s really ended in []2/3.

Fixed that for you, since it’s true across all decades.

Spuffure said:

Superweapon VII said:

And since I’ve been reminded: Fast Times at Ridgemont High is not a good movie.

I’m curious: what are some other '80s “classics” you dislike?

Aliens, Altered States, An American Tail, Ferris Bueller’s Day Off, Flash Gordon, and Revenge of the Nerds have all fanned my hatred or indifference. I’d also include Pretty in Pink, but I wasn’t able to finish that one, so it doesn’t feel fair to include it.

And since I’ve been reminded: Fast Times at Ridgemont High is not a good movie.

Marooned Biker Scout said:

red5-626 said:

OK, I have thought about this for some time, but was not shore where to bring it up.
I wanted to come up with a name to describe the preservation projects done here and by other people. But without sounding like… I had an eye patch and a parrot on my shoulder.

This is my latest idea.

F.P.D. Future Public Domain
or
F.P.D.P. Future Public Domain Preservation

Everything should technically become Public Domain some day in the Future, but it may not exist then.

Fan and Amateur Preservation Projects.

FAPPs for short.

It may need some more work!

“Not my proudest FAPP.”

…

I’ll see myself out.

There’s the '80s

and there’s the '80s!

Omni said:

Everything Everywhere All At Once is massively overrated.

Stories involving infinite universes invariably are.

Spartacus01 said:

The primary reason why I have the Hand of Thrawn duology as my cut-off point. The Galactic Civil War is finally over, Luke and Mara are engaged to be married, and Leia has that sweet ruby lightsaber. The best possible ending to the Expanded Universe, I say.

I prefer to end the Expanded Universe with the NJO series and the end of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion. But if I have to put myself in your place, then, wouldn’t it be better to end the Expanded Universe with the Union comic in which Luke and Mara get officially married and the war is officially over? I think their wedding ceremony could be a nice ending for the universe as well.

The comic came out six months after TPM. I consider everything released on and after May 19, 1999 non-canon. Plus it has Jedi in desert hermit robes.

That’s an automatic disqualification.

According to Ben in SW, the Old Republic was around for a thousand generations. In AOTC, it’s a thousand years.

A year and a generation are not the same thing, George!

Evil Dead Rise looks likes it’s gonna be more insipid horseshit in the same vein as the '13 film. Hard pass.

of_Kaiburr_and_Whills said:

1. The sheer amount of cataclysmic events and wars that follow RoTJ. Seriously, it’s like Luke, Han, Leia, and Lando just can’t catch a break. Every 2 years something insane happens and of course they’re the ones that have to fix it. They never get to retire or live out their happy ending. I don’t have an issue with new conflicts starting up, but do they always have to be so intense and involve the same ten people? This is why I’m very picky with my post RotJ content, and why I prefer to just go by head-canon.

The primary reason why I have the Hand of Thrawn duology as my cut-off point. The Galactic Civil War is finally over, Luke and Mara are engaged to be married, and Leia has that sweet ruby lightsaber. The best possible ending to the Expanded Universe, I say.

G&G-Fan said:

Superweapon VII said:

It’s probably difficult for some folks to wrap their heads around Vader being the Dark Lord of the Sith whilst being subservient to a non-Sith Palpatine because since 1999, the Sith have been portrayed as apex predators who have a monopoly on dark side mastery. But this is purely an invention of the prequels.

You do realize that the fact that Vader calls Palpatine his master obviously means Palpatine was a Sith in TESB and ROTJ? Like yeah you can rationalize a different explanation but it’s clear that’s the intention. There’s no need to jump through hoops for another explanation. The scripts for all three call Vader a Dark Lord of the Sith and the Emperor is his master.

If it was so obvious, Tom Veitch, the man who for all intents and purposes invented the Sith, would’ve went with it. But he implicitly denied Palpatine was Sith in Empire’s End.

“Master” obviously does refer to their relationship as Sith Lords because none of the imperials are calling him master, so it’s not just a term recognizing his authority. Vader is his apprentice and he tries to replace him with Luke, as he calls him his apprentice twice.

None of the officers in the Imperial Starfleet are trained Force users.

There’s literally no reason to not make Palpatine a Sith other then to just be different for no reason.

I can think of a reason. Creating dissonance between Sith philosophy and Palpatine’s, aggravating already existing tension between Vader and the man holding his leash.

American Hominid said:

G&G-Fan said:

American Hominid said:

• Palpatine being definitely a Sith (as opposed to just a Dark Sorcerer)

Palpatine has been a Sith since TESB. Vader calls him his master in both TESB and ROTJ. He can’t be his master if he’s not even from the same Order. Vader has also always been a Sith since ANH’s first drafts.

Eh… the word ‘Sith’ is not mentioned onscreen til TPM (since it was cut from ANH - I think at one point Tagge or Motti said it?) and IIRC only Vader was called ‘Dark Lord of the Sith’ in public-facing materials of the time. GL had a lot of ideas and intentions, some of which are old and some which evolved over time. I’m going with what I feel would be cool.

‘Master’ could mean a lot of things. I think the most obvious interp is ‘master - apprentice,’ but that does not necessitate an institutional allegiance, more an expertise-sharing dynamic. It could also mean ‘master - servant,’ which is kinda suggested by some of Palpatine’s lines (“with each passing moment you make yourself more my servant”) - and Vader’s (“I must obey my master”).

Indeed. Besides, in both the Legends and Disney continuities, we have non-Sith darksiders who answer to Vader/Palpatine, even receiving training from them. The most notable example’s probably Mara Jade. And then there are all the inquisitors. So the notion that even masters/apprentices have to belong to the same order was never in play.

It’s probably difficult for some folks to wrap their heads around Vader being the Dark Lord of the Sith whilst being subservient to a non-Sith Palpatine because since 1999, the Sith have been portrayed as apex predators who have a monopoly on dark side mastery. But this is purely an invention of the prequels.

“I went to get laid, George. There’s this wonderful guy, he charges $150, but that’s for six – count 'em, six – orgasms. That’s, uh, $25 a pop. Not bad. Whatta ya think, George?”

Spartacus01 said:

As far as the NJO is concerned, had Lucas decided to give the keys of the franchise over to EU authors, I believe Star by Star wouldn’t have killed off Anakin Solo and things would progress from there. The Solo Kids would reunite and lead the charge to retake Coruscant from the Yuuzhan Vong, each sibling goes off on their own path to find their calling (Anakin to become Luke’s successor, Jacen to explore the mysteries of the Force, and Jaina to continue being the “Sword of the Jedi”) and the post-Endor stuff would conclude there. If not, then it would probably focus more on the recovery aspect of the galaxy following the war’s end or Jacen’s journey to learning about the Force while Anakin and Jaina deal with some small crisis back in their galaxy.

I’m guessing the Yuuzhan Vong would’ve been Sith, or the inspiration behind the Sith, and Jacen would’ve been the one to die instead of Anakin, in keeping with the original plans.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Horse_invasion_storyline

I would’ve liked the Ewoks if they’d looked less like teddy bears and more like miniature versions of this:

Though the performances still would’ve suffered having to rely on little person actors. I don’t mean to offend, but they don’t make for the best agile arboreal creatures.

darklordoftech said:

Superweapon VII said:

Spartacus01 said:

I hate the post-1999 EU Jedi with every all of myself.

Agree. I can tolerate the prequel-era Jedi to an extent, but it really got my goat when their characteristics were applied to Jedi outside that era.

Which contradicted existing stories establishing that Jedi in other eras weren’t like that.

“George is doing it, so why can’t we?”

fmalover said:

NeverarGreat said:

I think Luke’s death would have worked if it felt in any way inevitable. I remember watching it for the first time and thinking ‘Oh that’s neat, Luke made an illusion so that he could live’, and then he goes and dies immediately afterwards. Sure, it’s established that Rey would die if she projected herself across the galaxy, but Snoke can do it without breaking a sweat so it just makes Luke canonically no more powerful than Rey and weaker than Snoke, a guy who dies in one of the most embarrassing ways imaginable.

It’s basically my problem with Anakin Skywalker being a “Chosen One”.

We’re constantly told how special Anakin is and how strong he is in the Force but he never does anything out of the ordinary in terms of using the Force. He doesn’t stand out from any other Force wielder who came before.

How much better would it have been if none of the Force powers displayed in the OT (aside from the ones demonstrated by Ben in ANH) were used in the PT, except by Anakin. Then the “Chosen One” angle would’ve felt more organic.

Spartacus01 said:

I hate the post-1999 EU Jedi with every all of myself.

Agree. I can tolerate the prequel-era Jedi to an extent, but it really got my goat when their characteristics were applied to Jedi outside that era.

Spuffure said:

Superweapon VII said:

Spuffure said:

Superweapon VII said:

Meg Myers did herself dirty. Goddamn.

Best or worst?

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/do_someone_dirty#:~:text=(informal) To deliberately treat someone,quotations ▼

So that means worst, then.

God, I’m out of touch.

It’s all good.