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#1518588
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What do you HATE about the EU?
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of_Kaiburr_and_Whills said:

  1. The sheer amount of cataclysmic events and wars that follow RoTJ. Seriously, it’s like Luke, Han, Leia, and Lando just can’t catch a break. Every 2 years something insane happens and of course they’re the ones that have to fix it. They never get to retire or live out their happy ending. I don’t have an issue with new conflicts starting up, but do they always have to be so intense and involve the same ten people? This is why I’m very picky with my post RotJ content, and why I prefer to just go by head-canon.

The primary reason why I have the Hand of Thrawn duology as my cut-off point. The Galactic Civil War is finally over, Luke and Mara are engaged to be married, and Leia has that sweet ruby lightsaber. The best possible ending to the Expanded Universe, I say.

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#1518493
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How would you restructure Anakin's turn to the dark side in the Prequels?
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G&G-Fan said:

Superweapon VII said:

It’s probably difficult for some folks to wrap their heads around Vader being the Dark Lord of the Sith whilst being subservient to a non-Sith Palpatine because since 1999, the Sith have been portrayed as apex predators who have a monopoly on dark side mastery. But this is purely an invention of the prequels.

You do realize that the fact that Vader calls Palpatine his master obviously means Palpatine was a Sith in TESB and ROTJ? Like yeah you can rationalize a different explanation but it’s clear that’s the intention. There’s no need to jump through hoops for another explanation. The scripts for all three call Vader a Dark Lord of the Sith and the Emperor is his master.

If it was so obvious, Tom Veitch, the man who for all intents and purposes invented the Sith, would’ve went with it. But he implicitly denied Palpatine was Sith in Empire’s End.

“Master” obviously does refer to their relationship as Sith Lords because none of the imperials are calling him master, so it’s not just a term recognizing his authority. Vader is his apprentice and he tries to replace him with Luke, as he calls him his apprentice twice.

None of the officers in the Imperial Starfleet are trained Force users.

There’s literally no reason to not make Palpatine a Sith other then to just be different for no reason.

I can think of a reason. Creating dissonance between Sith philosophy and Palpatine’s, aggravating already existing tension between Vader and the man holding his leash.

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#1518477
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How would you restructure Anakin's turn to the dark side in the Prequels?
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American Hominid said:

G&G-Fan said:

American Hominid said:

  • Palpatine being definitely a Sith (as opposed to just a Dark Sorcerer)

Palpatine has been a Sith since TESB. Vader calls him his master in both TESB and ROTJ. He can’t be his master if he’s not even from the same Order. Vader has also always been a Sith since ANH’s first drafts.

Eh… the word ‘Sith’ is not mentioned onscreen til TPM (since it was cut from ANH - I think at one point Tagge or Motti said it?) and IIRC only Vader was called ‘Dark Lord of the Sith’ in public-facing materials of the time. GL had a lot of ideas and intentions, some of which are old and some which evolved over time. I’m going with what I feel would be cool.

‘Master’ could mean a lot of things. I think the most obvious interp is ‘master - apprentice,’ but that does not necessitate an institutional allegiance, more an expertise-sharing dynamic. It could also mean ‘master - servant,’ which is kinda suggested by some of Palpatine’s lines (“with each passing moment you make yourself more my servant”) - and Vader’s (“I must obey my master”).

Indeed. Besides, in both the Legends and Disney continuities, we have non-Sith darksiders who answer to Vader/Palpatine, even receiving training from them. The most notable example’s probably Mara Jade. And then there are all the inquisitors. So the notion that even masters/apprentices have to belong to the same order was never in play.

It’s probably difficult for some folks to wrap their heads around Vader being the Dark Lord of the Sith whilst being subservient to a non-Sith Palpatine because since 1999, the Sith have been portrayed as apex predators who have a monopoly on dark side mastery. But this is purely an invention of the prequels.

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#1517854
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What if... no prequel trilogy or, no sequel trilogy? Just the EU?
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Spartacus01 said:

As far as the NJO is concerned, had Lucas decided to give the keys of the franchise over to EU authors, I believe Star by Star wouldn’t have killed off Anakin Solo and things would progress from there. The Solo Kids would reunite and lead the charge to retake Coruscant from the Yuuzhan Vong, each sibling goes off on their own path to find their calling (Anakin to become Luke’s successor, Jacen to explore the mysteries of the Force, and Jaina to continue being the “Sword of the Jedi”) and the post-Endor stuff would conclude there. If not, then it would probably focus more on the recovery aspect of the galaxy following the war’s end or Jacen’s journey to learning about the Force while Anakin and Jaina deal with some small crisis back in their galaxy.

I’m guessing the Yuuzhan Vong would’ve been Sith, or the inspiration behind the Sith, and Jacen would’ve been the one to die instead of Anakin, in keeping with the original plans.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Horse_invasion_storyline

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#1517689
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What do you HATE about the EU?
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darklordoftech said:

Superweapon VII said:

Spartacus01 said:

I hate the post-1999 EU Jedi with every all of myself.

Agree. I can tolerate the prequel-era Jedi to an extent, but it really got my goat when their characteristics were applied to Jedi outside that era.

Which contradicted existing stories establishing that Jedi in other eras weren’t like that.

“George is doing it, so why can’t we?”

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#1517541
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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fmalover said:

NeverarGreat said:

I think Luke’s death would have worked if it felt in any way inevitable. I remember watching it for the first time and thinking ‘Oh that’s neat, Luke made an illusion so that he could live’, and then he goes and dies immediately afterwards. Sure, it’s established that Rey would die if she projected herself across the galaxy, but Snoke can do it without breaking a sweat so it just makes Luke canonically no more powerful than Rey and weaker than Snoke, a guy who dies in one of the most embarrassing ways imaginable.

It’s basically my problem with Anakin Skywalker being a “Chosen One”.

We’re constantly told how special Anakin is and how strong he is in the Force but he never does anything out of the ordinary in terms of using the Force. He doesn’t stand out from any other Force wielder who came before.

How much better would it have been if none of the Force powers displayed in the OT (aside from the ones demonstrated by Ben in ANH) were used in the PT, except by Anakin. Then the “Chosen One” angle would’ve felt more organic.

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#1516642
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Unpopular Opinion Thread
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Spartacus01 said:

In my opinion, George Lucas should never have done the Prequel Trilogy, and he should have gave the responsibility of writing the Prequel story to the Expanded Universe authors from the 90s and 2000s. Instead of having a Prequel Trilogy, I would have liked the entire Clone Wars and Anakin’s fall to be developed in a very long comic series, like Tales of the Jedi but even longer. Like, I would have loved to see Lucas abandoning his plans for making the Prequels in 1996/1997, and giving Tom Veitch the task of writing a long comic series to tell Anakin’s fall and his adventures during the Clone Wars. This way, we could have had both Tales of the Jedi and a long Prequel comic series. I would have still liked the current Prequel actors to serve as models for the appearance of the characters, though. So, Hayden Christensen would still be Anakin, Natalie Portman would still be Anakin’s wife/girlfriend, and Ewan McGregor would still be Obi-Wan.

A part of me agrees, but the other part of me believes that the prequel era should’ve remained a mystery. And I utterly and completely loathe the Padme character, both in how she’s written and performed. I’d insist on the Mother Skywalker character being completely reimagined.

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#1516432
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Last movie seen
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JadedSkywalker said:

Also reduce or get rid of all the Jesus allusions. Like i get it and i respect that the director is a Christian but it gets overwhelming after a while.

Never seen MOS, but I’ve never been keen on the “Superman is Jesus” angle regardless of the portrayal, and I say that as someone who comes from a Christian background and still retains an affinity for Christianity. Siegel & Shuster were Jewish; Kal is a Moses analog with a bit of Samson thrown in.