Stinky-Dinkins

TV’s Frink said:

Stinky-Dinkins said:

I like how the entire last page is a debate about a gif.

You don’t really like it.

I like how the entire last page is a debate about a gif.

TV’s Frink said:

ilovewaterslides said:

Reading this thread is like watching a soap opera.

If Legacy gets an official release, I demand this thread be read in its entirety by Stinky as a bonus feature.

Instead of using Mike’s take on the impression of Joe ( which was clearly based on a slightly-confused Bill Murray from Caddyshack ) I plan on going a completely different route, so stay tuned. I thinking like some Walter White “I’m the one who knocks” type thing.

mverta said:
If you love it, love it. Masturbate to it.

Can Joe masturbate to it?

Laserschwert said:

mverta said:

As for their edition looking amateur and pretty shitty, it does. So what?

_Mike

That makes me sad to read.

Don’t be. It isn’t shitty.

Denigrating it for no reason whatsoever speaks of nothing but sour grapes.

LeeThorogood said:
I did and I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with you, I just wanted to make sure you hadn’t missed Mike’s post as it was the last one before yours but at the bottom of the previous page.

Yeah I saw it and I made my reply to you needlessly bitchy for really no good reason. That’s my signature move.

LeeThorogood said:

mverta said:

As I said specifically, I don’t care that Joe shared his prints. It’s was Pete’s, which he was explicitly told not to, that’s wrong. As for -1 knowing? I have no idea. As for the “fuck you,” that for being ungrateful and shitty, even after I helped them out. As for their edition looking amateur and pretty shitty, it does. So what?

_Mike

In case you missed this while you were posting Stinky-Dinkins ^

Yeah I saw it, but it really doesn’t answer any of it.

Why is Mike so furious with -1? The only possible reason is that Mike knows that -1 was told that Joe was absolutely not to disseminate a copy of Pete’s scans, but he accepted and worked with them none the less. How does Mike know that -1 was informed of this fact? How did -1 even know Joe had anything to begin with, let alone the fact that Joe had Pete’s scans? So Joe sent him Pete’s scans (that he wasn’t supposed to) but not his own scans (which Mike would’ve had no problem with)? Why was Pete’s reaction to the discovery that -1 received copies of his scans so visceral, specifically knowing who -1 was and hating him prior to this entire thing?

LeeThorogood said:

Stinky-Dinkins said:

So, was -1 aware that Joe had previously agreed not to disseminate Pete’s print under any circumstance? Do you have any problem with -1 using a copy of Joe’s print?

“… and err fuck Negative One also in case that hasn’t been said, fuck you. What an asshole.” - I think that quote should tell you all you need to know.

It really doesn’t though, it answers pretty much nothing in that regard.

Once Mike called “Pete” to tell him the news Pete’s reaction was to basically freak out and say “Holy shit! Fuck -1, I hate that guy!” What? Why? Pete and -1 were apparently mortal enemies prior to this entire thing?

Also, how in the world would -1 know Joe had Pete’s scan? How did he even know Joe had anything to do with it? So, once he found out Joe had Pete’s scan what was -1 told? The fact that Joe had funded the entire sum of its scan work, that he wasn’t supposed to distribute it for any reason whatsoever, or both?

Mavimao said:
However, I disagree with your view on the “Silver Screen Release” which was never supposed to be a professional restoration and it is unfair to knock them down. I see it as a group of fans, doing their best to clean up a beat-up print and present it as-is.

I also think it’s fantastic, and nothing to be ashamed of for all involved (the exact opposite, actually.)

mverta said:

Hello, everyone -

I have made a video for you, so that you may have all the facts and straight from the horse’s mouth. That goes for you, too, Rob, because you keep geting stuck in the middle and it’s painful to watch. Go and view the video, and let us talk about this no more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkiqQq6KfDY

Additionally, I will be on my usual Ustream live-stream channel for a couple hours or so if you’d like to ask any questions or whatever, at ustream.tv/channel/mike-verta

Thanks everyone!

_Mike

Nutshell: “Joe” funded the scanning of his own print, in contribution to the Legacy project, and received a copy. No agreement was reached as to what he could do or not do with this copy. Later, “Joe” also funded the scanning of “Pete’s” print and was sent a copy of that as well, under the agreement that he not distribute that particular copy under any circumstance. At this point Joe has contributed several tens of thousands of dollars to the project. He then sent -1 a copy of the scans of Pete’s prints, despite agreeing not to do so. These particular scans [and not the scans of Joe’s print] were then used by -1 once work began on their Technicolor project.

So, was -1 aware that Joe had previously agreed not to disseminate Pete’s print under any circumstance? Do you have any problem with -1 using a copy of Joe’s print?

AntcuFaalb said:

For all interested (especially Stinky)

Exceptionally Stinky.

Jay said:
If anyone is under the impression that TN1’s efforts represent the culmination of our goals as a community, they are mistaken.

Is their work awesome? Yes.

Is it the end game? No.

No one think it’s the culmination of all the community’s goals (especially considering it’s the first film only), but we’re talking about a killer Technicolor scan here. It would be unprecedented among releases thus far. To suddenly call it quits on the project for no clear reason seems absolutely nuts to me. It would’ve absolutely been one of the most important and valuable preservations of all time.

Jay said:
The team account and the drama/confusion surrounding it are the core issue here.

I wish it wasn’t though. It seems like all this multiple account drama has eclipsed the prospect of a potentially killer Technicolor release that has now inexplicably been halted. I know this is the Team Negative 1 thread/announcement and everything, but in terms of relative importance it seems like absolutely nothing compared to the loss of what would’ve been one of the most important fan preservations of all time. I don’t know if it’s a case of tragic irony or not seeing the forest for the trees… but the fact that here we sit on a forum you created dedicated to preserving the films in the purest ways possible and on the cusp of a public release of the Tecnicolor scan everyone’s always dreamed of, suddenly everyone is distracted by inconsequential e-drama nonsense. It’s like the rocket you built is now ready for launch but that’s been cancelled because some guys in ground control can’t figure out who ate Bill’s lunch from the company fridge.

Jetrell Fo said:
Thank you for bringing more to light than was known so that folks had a better idea of where things actually were. You were brave in doing so.

Remember that scene in Saving Private Ryan where Tom Hanks whispers “Earn this” to Matt Damon? I think you and Frink got each other so riled up that you just shared one of those moments with eachother, digitally. And it made me wicked uncomfortable. If this thread ends with Jay reassuring Frink that he’s a good man over -1’s grave we’re all automatically inducted into the drama queen hall of fame.

Williarob said:
I think that the Tech scan will be forever tainted by what happened here, and therefore I don’t think we should continue to use it. Instead, we shall try and make a new scan of the same print that Mike cannot lay any claims to and take it from there.

To not use a beautiful Tech scan someone paid 30k dollars for and then gave you permission to use is fucking insane. To not use the one Mike funded himself makes perfect sense and -1 absolutely shouldn’t have access to it if Mike doesn’t want him to, but to not use the one someone else paid for and allowed you to use is such a shame. What a loss for the community.

poita said:
all go back to getting on with film restoration and other projects

Yes. The Technicolor project being at the top of the list I hope.

Honestly, I can’t see how it isn’t considered a tremendous loss not to complete this project. At this point who cares about the he-says-she-says nonsense? It’s gotten so nuanced and esoteric that the people involved directly seemed just as confused as the rest of us. If -1 actually did nothing wrong (and at this point that seems to be inching further from “possible” and much closer to “probable”) and he has a Technicolor print scan that was funded by another person, and the Team was given explicit permission to use that scan for the Technicolor project… to not do so because of a handful of days worth of e-drama would be an absolute tragedy… and for others to begin to claim such a project would interfere with Mike’s “negotiations” is a friggin’ total farce.

TV’s Frink said:

Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen…except for that part about the dress. I never saw that one coming.

This is getting too ridiculous Frink. It’s obvious the only sensible solution is for Team -1 to send me all of his emails, personal and otherwise. I will pay for you to scan all of them, at which point you will return them to me and I will send the relevant copies for Towne to review.

robertelee said:

This is getting very confusing.

Yeah it’s like when my Dad wore a dress as a joke but then wore it the next day too.

robertelee said:
Someone who would not be biased either way. I almost feel like Frink should do it, becuase he would not favor the team.

Hear that? It’s the sound of light chuckling in the distance, coming from Frink’s house. Contradictions amuse Frink.

towne32 said:

Stinky-Dinkins said:

Molly said:

Wasn’t it said that they also decided to axe the IB Tech release because it might interfere with mverta’s negotiations with Fox and the Rat?

Oh fucking fuck that.

No. Regardless of who is right or wrong with all the other crap. No to this comment infinitely.

If it proceeds, never minding all the other BS, it will surely be proceeding because it is not seen to interfere with the Fox/Rat talks. Hell, it probably won’t be anywhere approaching partway done by that time. But don’t dismiss those negotiations as if they’re not the most important thing happening on or around this site.

Oh please. If you think having a custom Technicolor project out in the wild from Team -1 will interfere any more than the existing 35mm project, or any other specific project like DeEd, you are crazy, as if they would see a huge distinction between the two. No giant corporation could give a flying fuck, as it would not in any way affect the potential profitability, or lack thereof, of any project they’re presented. This is obviously not the reason. So are you telling me the -1 Technicolor project was announced, it was worked on, previewed publically on this forum, access was granted to a great scan for the project, explicit permission to use the scan by the scan’s owner, and then suddenly it’s decided (after all that) to pull the plug as not to interfere with Mike Verta’s negotiations for the “greater good”, and for this reason to keep the plug pulled? It’s obvious why the plug was pulled: accusations over ownership of particular scanned print. If this turns out not to be the case, it’s time to plug back in.

Absolutely absurd. What a monumental waste.

Molly said:

Wasn’t it said that they also decided to axe the IB Tech release because it might interfere with mverta’s negotiations with Fox and the Rat?

Oh fucking fuck that.

Williarob said:
It shouldn’t matter if he believes us or not, Mike can recognize any of the scans by looking at just a few frames. The remaining damage in our preview of Reel 5 contains more than enough frames for Mike to be able to match them to a print and if he does that he will know which print it is, and that it is the print belonging to person #3, which is not the scan he paid for.

So wait, the Technicolor scan you guys do have is the “good” scan, and not the “So so” scan… and this scan was paid for by its “owner” and you have been given permission to use it as you see fit?

And the project isn’t going to continue?. This is crazy talk, complete crazy talk.

Williarob said:

TV’s Frink said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Thank you williarob for being open and transparent. Thank you to the silent member who offered to help back up and let the facts be presented for all to see. Thanks to neg1 for being willing to take the heat to help save star wars properly.

The facts have been presented for all to see? All I see is a he said / he said situation. Presumably Jay has seen more, but we certainly have not. We’ve seen Mike say one thing and williarob say something else. Nothing more.

If Mike comes out and says he made a mistake, that’s a different story, but that hasn’t happened yet.

But don’t you see? My Story and Mike’s Story are exactly the same. I haven’t denied anything he said as being false or untrue. In fact I’m pretty sure I confirmed that everything he said is true. Mike believed that we had both scans, including the one he paid for, and that doesn’t make his statement untrue, that is what he believed, but as it turns out he was able to contact person #2 before they sent the second scan so we never received it. Go back and re-read Mike’s version of events, and then mine. They are the same story, but from different ends.

So then no one did anything wrong. The Team -1 Account shouldn’t have been shut down and the Technicolor project should continue. If it is true that the Team was axed completely based on Mike’s incorrect perception on the scans being used, that totally sucks.

You said you guys pulled the plug on the project for “the greater good,” but ceasing the project using the scan Mike did not pay for and you were given complete permission to use is not in any way, shape, or form for the greater good of the community. For Mike’s greater good perhaps, but for no one else. I for one (and I think many would feel the same way) would love to see the release based on it. The Silver Screen edition was superb. I love forum drama as much as the next guy, but to sacrifice what would be one of the most valuable tangible releases of all time, for the community as a whole, because of it is fucking bananas.

Williarob said:
Thanks to another former member of Team Negative One I have been able to examine the original emails, including those from “person #2”, and they prove beyond any doubt that Mike Verta did NOT pay for the Technicolor scan we received (though he did pay another scan which we don’t have). They also prove that we were given permission to use the scan in anyway we saw fit by the person who actually did pay for it.

So, can the Technicolor project continue based on that scan? Why in the world wouldn’t you continue the project if you already have the print scan and have been given explicit permission to use it how you see fit by its owner? It would be such a killer release.

Am I missing something here? I mean:

Williarob said:
Do you still think the print was obtained unethically? The fact that Mike didn’t give his consent is irrelevant - he neither paid for the scan, nor owned the print. Consider this, the owner of the scan, that is the person who actually paid a huge amount of money to have it scanned, took the time to copy 21 TB of data onto 7 3TB hard drives, boxed them all up and mailed them to the team so they could use them. It’s hard to picture that happening without his knowledge or consent.

What a crazy thing to squander…

77FN said:

but just wanted to add that I’m quite literally blown away by the work you’ve put into in restoring Star Wars

I picture you periodically checking the thread and then being blasted off your computer chair by big gusts of wind.

So, no hope then?

Fuck. That sucks. It looked so goddamn good.

TV’s Frink said:

Stinky-Dinkins said:

How fucking utterly bizarre, and confusing.

Honestly, are you really surprised something bizarre would happen with this team?

How many handcuffs are we going to need? That’s the real question here Frink and you know it, and the ultimate answer to this grand mystery.