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#1474408
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Did Lucas forget that Obi Wan served Bail Organa in the Clone Wars ?
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StarkillerAG said:

Stardust1138 said:

It’s all subjective and the Original Trilogy has its share of comic relief that’s just like the Prequels. I don’t want to assume but it probably doesn’t bother you or isn’t as noticable because you saw the Originals first. Your view on what Star Wars should be is informed by your experiences seeing it before you saw the Prequels. You had time to decide what you feel Star Wars should be. There’s nothing wrong with that either as I’m like this with the Sequels we ended up with but it explains why certain things may fly and other aspects not so much. I’m fortunate to have grown up with both of George’s Trilogies at the same time. So my view of Star Wars is informed by all six. It’s all generational in a lot of ways. Plus at the end of the day these films are for children as George always said. I may not be a big fan of Jar Jar’s potty humour now that I’m older but I can still get a giggle out of it. I don’t really view Star Wars through adult eyes except when analysing the layers within it.

I’m not going to try and rebut any of your arguments: You have your opinions, I have mine, and no amount of argument is going to change that.

However, I do feel the need to clarify something: I didn’t actually grow up with the OT, as you seem to assume. I’m part of the prequel generation, just like you are. However, just because I grew up with the prequels as a part of “my Star Wars” doesn’t mean that I like them. I did like the prequels as a kid, mainly because of the cool action scenes (although I still hated Jar-Jar and the romance even back then). But the more I rewatched them as I grew older, the more I started to notice their flaws; flaws that (in my opinion) seriously hampered my ability to enjoy those movies. Whereas the OT only got better the more I rewatched it, the prequels only got worse.

But again, this is my opinion, and I’m not going to try and change yours. I just hope you understand where I’m coming from here.

I do of course. My apologies for my assumption. Star Wars works in different ways for everyone. It truly doesn’t matter what generation of fan you are as it’s subjective to each viewer and creator alike. Just as how the Sequels we ended up with may not be what I or the original creator wanted I will never try to take them away from the fans that love them. It would be very selfish to do so. I’m glad we have differing opinions and views. It makes for more interesting conversations and discusses. It’s all about finding common ground. Thankfully we both love Star Wars and that’s enough for me. I wish you could see the things I see but I can’t force you and I wouldn’t want to.

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What 'a Star Wars Story' / anthology / spinoff film would you like to see?
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BedeHistory731 said:

I despise auteur theory and kind of worship culture it creates, which gives us such delights as “the Polanski letter” and Joss Whedon’s career/writing style. Before you say I just enjoy “popcorn movies” or “seeing the same things again,” I’m not keen on “movies by committee” either (i.e., I’ve never seen an MCU movie and intend to keep it that way).

My thoughts on the auteur theory can best be summed up by this video - Tommy Wiseau: The Last Auteur - Brows Held High. It’s a good summation of a bunch of Kael’s points, using Wiseau’s The Room as a thought experiment on auteurism.

I’ll have to give it a look. Thanks for sharing the video. I’ve only seen one MCU film and I have no desire to watch any others. So it’s good we can find common ground on Marvel films. I mean there’s always exceptions to every rule of where the auteur theory doesn’t always fit like 10 Things I Hate About You. It’s a wonderful little film that took the writers and hired director being in sync to create but it works as they each understood the role assigned. It also seems Disney let them do what they wanted on the film. However more often than not it’s when a singular or coupled vision is the beating heart of a production you get the most profound and moving stories. Art is a subjective concept and it would be a shame if we all liked the same things but visual literacy and the like is very important to functioning as a tolerant society.

Here’s a handful of videos for you on the subject:

https://youtu.be/O39niAzuapc

https://youtu.be/I90ZluYvHic

https://youtu.be/GwDXlA_6usI

https://youtu.be/aDBmH9ntEOA

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BedeHistory731 said:

I wish I had the capacity to write walls of texts to defend my favorite “auteur.”

Pauline Kael was right and film history has only proved her points.

I’m a firm believer in the auteur theory as you have to look no further than George Lucas himself or the likes of Andrei Tarkovsky, Ingmar Bergman, Francis Ford Coppola, Mike Leigh, Hayao Miyazaki, Agnès Varda, Michael Powell/Emeric Pressburger, and countless others to see that a singular or coupled vision being accurately portrayed on the screen is so much more powerful than that of one made in committees. That’s not to say the filmmaker doesn’t have help in crafting their vision but when you invite outside influence you end up with a story that lacks direction or has mixed messages as it has no centre or heartbeat to sustain itself upon rewatch value or the long term before another product is delivered. You don’t get anything from watching the same thing over and over. Re: Marvel films. It’s delightful I suppose but cinema has so much potential than just to please you and to give you exactly what you want. The story may not be what you wanted but understanding why the auteur made the choices they did is such an adventure in of itself. It’s the reason a film like The Phantom Menace stands on its own. It may not be the film most fans wanted but it has so much rewatch value as there’s always something new to discover within it. Where is this in committee filmmaking? What’s going on underneath the surface? I don’t think you get that from seeing X-Wings and TIE Fighters again and again. It’s like junk food. It can be so good but it’s more pleasure than delight that sustains you. Besides the dictionary has over 170,000 words. You may as well use it with moral responsibility or at least with well intentions.

Pauline Kael is right on some things and other things I find, no. The only reason she’s being proven “correct” with this is Hollywood studios are increasingly risk adverse. They’re not experimental or giving opportunities to the auteur to make the films they want to see. Instead they’re favouring an approach where the filmmaker is taken out of the picture and replaced by someone who will do as they please with what the marketing team thinks will sell and deliver a profit.

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BedeHistory731 said:

Stardust1138 said:

I believe George and Mark Hamill over a corporation whose only objective was and is to make something for the fans and to please them.

What’s wrong with that?

You end up getting rehashes and member berries over new interpretations and twists on ideas that expand the possibilities of what a Star Wars story can be. I prefer an approach where Star Wars isn’t limited to evoking the same thrills or look of what came before. George’s six films and The Clone Wars were always different but always respected and expanded on what came before in a meaningful way without the need to just change things because a fan didn’t like it that way or if it didn’t make sense for the story he wanted to tell. Story always came first. He always had a reason for returning to ideas like going back to Tatooine or Anakin and Luke experiencing a similar journey but it was always different at the same time. I want to expand my outlook and not to be confined to a box of seeing things I’ve already seen before but were quite frankly done better by the original creator and creators alike. You should always respect the story you’re telling and never run away from it as it ends up creating problems in the long run.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

And recognizes that he literally participated in making TFA. you can say his contributions weren’t meaningful but he was there.

He wasn’t though as I quoted above and again here through Bob Iger:

"Early on, Kathy brought J.J. and Michael Arndt up to Northern California to meet with George at his ranch and talk about their ideas for the film. George immediately got upset as they began to describe the plot and it dawned on him that we weren’t using one of the stories he submitted during the negotiations.

The truth was, Kathy, J.J., Alan, and I had discussed the direction in which the saga should go, and we all agreed that it wasn’t what George had outlined."

I believe George and Mark Hamill over a corporation whose only objective was and is to make something for the fans and to please them. Same with picking the narrative they want people to believe. Then they get upset when George, Marcia Lucas, Howard Kazanjian, and some fans are disappointed because there’s nothing new or they don’t try to understand the rules of Star Wars.

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#1474333
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Anakin Starkiller said:

He absolutely was. The entire premise of the Sequels grew out of his initial outline in some capacity. Rey and Finn as characters date back to his involvement, as does Luke’s exile. He was personally present in early meetings and even approved some concept art. Was the finished product his vision? Not in the slightest, but that doesn’t change the fact that he was involved early on.

According to Bob Iger:

"Early on, Kathy brought J.J. and Michael Arndt up to Northern California to meet with George at his ranch and talk about their ideas for the film. George immediately got upset as they began to describe the plot and it dawned on him that we weren’t using one of the stories he submitted during the negotiations.

The truth was, Kathy, J.J., Alan, and I had discussed the direction in which the saga should go, and we all agreed that it wasn’t what George had outlined. George knew we weren’t contractually bound to anything, but he thought that our buying the story treatments was a tacit promise that we’d follow them, and he was disappointed that his story was being discarded."

He wasn’t involved in the making of Episode VII. Loose threads and cherry picking doesn’t count to me. Especially when they claimed early on that they only made a few departures and not wholesale changes. That proved to be factually incorrect. Same with when they claimed the protagonists would be teenagers but that’s not true either as George himself said they were in their 20’s. With regards to the points you made the character that became Rey was known as Kira, Tayrn, and even Winter in early concepts from George apparently according to Pablo Hidalgo but even he might be wrong about certain details as he said Luke died in George’s Episode VIII but we have both George and Mark Hamill dispute this claim by saying Luke died in Episode IX. The broad stroke of a girl Jedi becoming the Jedi Master seems to come from George but that’s an easy thing to cherry pick. She was also a Solowalker. She was not in thr Sequels we got. Same with the Solowalker son falling to the Dark Side. The character that became Finn was nothing like George envisioned either as it was Lawrence Kasdan who came up with the idea to make him a deserted stormtrooper. The concept art that he approved ended up getting discarded in favour of Original Trilogy 2.0. You can see the creativity die as he exited for nostalgia in X-Wings and TIE Fighters instead of Darth Talon, Solowalker Grandchildren, and a sphere shaped Jedi Temple. The list of differences goes on and on.

George’s Sequel Trilogy:

Then after the Rebels won, there were no more stormtroopers in my version of the third trilogy.

I had planned for the first trilogy to be about the father, the second trilogy to be about the son, and the third trilogy to be about the daughter and the grandchildren.

Episode VII, VIII, and IX would take ideas from what happened after the Iraq War. “Okay, you fought the war, you killed everybody, now what are you going to do?” Rebuilding afterwards is harder than starting a rebellion or fighting the war. When you win the war and you disband the opposing army, what do they do? The stormtroopers would be like Saddam Hussein’s Ba’athist fighters that joined ISIS and kept on fighting. The stormtroopers refuse to give up when the Republic win.

They want to be stormtroopers forever, so they go to a far corner of the galaxy, start their own country and their own rebellion.

There’s a power vacuum so gangsters, like the Hutts, are taking advantage of the situation, and there is chaos. The key person is Darth Maul, who had been resurrected in The Clone Wars cartoons—he brings all the gangs together.

Paul Duncan: Was Darth Maul the main villain?

George Lucas: Yeah, but he’s very old, and we have two versions of him. One is with a set of cybernetic legs like a spider, and then later on he has metal legs and he was a little bit bigger, more of a superhero. We did all this in the animated series, he was in a bunch of episodes.

Darth Maul trained a girl, Darth Talon, who was in the comic books as his apprentice. She was the new Darth Vader, and most of the action was with her. So these were the two main villains of the trilogy. Maul eventually becomes the godfather of crime in the universe because, as the Empire falls, he takes over.

The movies are about how Leia—I mean, who else is going to be the leader?—is trying to build the Republic. They still have the apparatus of the Republic but they have to get it under control from the gangsters. That was the main story.

It starts out a few years after Return of the Jedi and we establish pretty quickly that there’s this underworld, there are these offshoot stormtroopers who started their own planets, and that Luke is trying to restart the Jedi. He puts the word out, so out of 100,000 Jedi, maybe 50 or 100 are left. The Jedi have to grow again from scratch, so Luke has to find two- and three-year-olds, and train them. It’ll be 20 years before you have a new generation of Jedi.

By the end of the trilogy Luke would have rebuilt much of the Jedi, and we would have the renewal of the New Republic, with Leia, Senator Organa, becoming the Supreme Chancellor in charge of everything. So she ended up being the Chosen One.

“The midi-chlorians started the birth process in Anakin’s mother. The Whills communicated the command to the midi-chlorians, which activated the DNA that germinated the egg. That’s why Anakin doesn’t have a father. He was in a bizarre and metaphorical way touched by God, but in this case they happened to be one-celled animals.”

He also said that Sifo-Dyas was Palpatine’s apprentice before Darth Maul and he ordered the Clone Army while pretending to still be a Jedi the entire time.

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Omni said:

The droids didn’t randomly land in the planet Obi-Wan was in, and didn’t randomly land close to his home either. That’s all text for the original film. They knew Obi-Wan lived somewhere around there, R2 I think even knew exactly where. “Secret mission, what are you talking about?!” (as R2 heads in a particular direction). He also escapes at night and has a specific place he wants to get to, which curiously (obviously!) is closer to Obi-Wan’s home since he shows up.

Hopefully it becomes obvious that R2 programmed the pod to land there, near Obi-Wan. And Obi-Wan lived next to Luke on purpose. I really, really fail to see a coincidence. And I’ve tried.

There’s that too. R2 remembers everything and far more than he let’s on. He’s been to Tatooine before and for all we know he could’ve been given instructions by Leia to where Obi-Wan lives. I don’t think she’d randomly give him the mission to complete without any help on where to go. So it’s not out of the realm of possibility he knows where to go through experience and help from Leia.

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#1474259
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StarkillerAG said:

I get that the droids have always been comic relief, but I feel like the arena body-swap gag took it way too far. It doesn’t really feel like the OT’s style of humor, more like something out of a cartoon. I’m fine with comic relief, but the prequels’ style of comic relief has always rubbed me the wrong way.

Sorry, but this feels like an insane stretch. If you have any quote where Lucas actually says this was his intention with the body swap, I’d love to see it. But I didn’t see any sort of commentary about desires and duty, it just felt like something George thought would be funny when he was planning out the factory scene. And I wouldn’t have a problem with that, if it was actually funny.

I also don’t mean to be rude, but I just don’t see how chronological order works at all. You say it makes the story clearer, but I’ve always thought it just made it more confusing. In the OT, we learn info along with our main protagonist Luke, creating a human element that makes the universe much more engaging. In the prequels, however, important info just appears with little-to-no explanation, and the dry, clinical style makes it hard for the audience to latch on to anything.

And also, how does the coincidence of the droids showing up disappear if you watch in chronological order? No matter which way you watch it, the droids land on a vast planet in search of Obi-Wan, only to conveniently be sold to a random farm boy who just happens to know Obi-Wan and is also the son of the second-most-powerful man in the galaxy. If anything, watching the prequels first makes that even more ridiculous.

It’s all subjective and the Original Trilogy has its share of comic relief that’s just like the Prequels. I don’t want to assume but it probably doesn’t bother you or isn’t as noticable because you saw the Originals first. Your view on what Star Wars should be is informed by your experiences seeing it before you saw the Prequels. You had time to decide what you feel Star Wars should be. There’s nothing wrong with that either as I’m like this with the Sequels we ended up with but it explains why certain things may fly and other aspects not so much. I’m fortunate to have grown up with both of George’s Trilogies at the same time. So my view of Star Wars is informed by all six. It’s all generational in a lot of ways. Plus at the end of the day these films are for children as George always said. I may not be a big fan of Jar Jar’s potty humour now that I’m older but I can still get a giggle out of it. I don’t really view Star Wars through adult eyes except when analysing the layers within it.

There’s no quotes that I know of and it’s my personal view of things. Anakin has desire to protect and be with Padme, just as C-3PO has a desire to stay aboard Padme’s starship and doing as he’s told. Duty comes in play with Anakin’s commitment to the Jedi and C-3PO’s staying loyal to Anakin. The droid factory in itself is symbolic and full of foreshadowing. In a way it’s a blazing hellish place as Ben Snow, visual effects supervisor, more or less called it. It foreshadows Mustafar. Anakin also gets his arm stuck in a machine foreshadowing it getting chopped off later by Count Dooku and his transformation in the suit. The biggest thing though for me is that the Droid Factory and Clone Factory on Kamino are both manufacturing what will bring about repression and the Empire. It’s a play on THX 1138 and Metropolis as you can see when syncing up the imagery of the films. I made a post awhile back showing the lines with THX 1138 if you wanted to go through my posts. I’m sure you’ll see it. I also included American Graffiti.

I don’t want to be rude but that’s your own personal view of things. It wasn’t difficult for myself or others. It all depends on when you’re exposed to the films I think. The Prequels are just as much of a personal story to me as the Originals. They just have a more complicated plot as the nuances have to be weaved to show where we get to in the Original Trilogy and later if George’s Sequels had been followed. I don’t find them to be dry at all but done more in the styles of 40’s cinema before method acting became a thing and a Saturday matinee serial. Watching the films chronologically allows you to see Anakin’s journey to becoming Darth Vader and that he’s a slave to making the wrong choices as he makes a pact with the devil who we see slowly across the trilogy exploit a fragile senate and complacent Jedi Order. Anakin ulimately loses his free will after gaining it in the podrace. He’s only redeemed through the love of his children, namely Luke. You see the Empire begin to fall in the first film of the next trilogy with A New Hope and Anakin/Darth Vader sensing something strong in Luke during the Trench Run. Only to go on a personal quest to find him in the next film. You see Anakin and Luke go through the same lessons and core issues in each film of their trilogy but ulimately make different choices to finally fully intertwine aboard the Death Star II in the final film of the trilogy. It’s Anakin’s story but is also a family space opera. The story works better I-VI as the stories play off of one another with the poetic links becoming clearer and obvious. You also see the different choices made across generations. You see how Leia takes more after Anakin while Luke takes more after Padme in terms of personality but they also have their own sense of self. You don’t get these things and much, much more viewing things IV-VI, I-III. Sure you kind of do by going back but not to the same effect as you’re already influenced by preconceived beliefs on what something must be like instead of just taking the story at face value as you have nothing to compare it with.

You’ll hate what I’m going to say but … the Force. As Qui-Gon says to Anakin, “Our meeting was not a coincidence. Nothing happens by accident.” The Force works in mysterious ways. We have free will but it has some control over our destinies. George planned to explore this very question in his Sequels. It’s all a symbiosis ecology and a major part of Star Wars. I find this also becomes clearer watching things I-VI. The greater circles within more circles through duality and balance that runs through the films gets bigger and bigger as the story goes along to eventually where George planned to eclipse the entire universe. George has spoken of this himself. So it’s not just my own personal view of things.

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Raiders of the Lost Ark by Steven Spielberg and George Lucas.

I finally got to watch the first Indy film without any distractions. It was such a truly great adventure film. It lived up to the hype for sure. I did find the narrative difficult to follow a couple of times with the unexplained time jumps but overall I found that to be a minor inconvenience as the excitement and fun of things more than made up for it. I especially love Marion. She’s already become one of my favourite heroines. Salah was also such a sweet man and René was great too. It had great characters for sure. I think my favourite scenes were the ones at the bar, the market, and the chase sequence. And of course it wouldn’t be a film with sound by Ben Burtt without hearing the Wilhelm scream. It was so great to hear it again! Haha

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Did Lucas forget that Obi Wan served Bail Organa in the Clone Wars ?
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SparkySywer said:

Stardust1138 said:

StarkillerAG said:

  • Obi-Wan doesn’t remember owning a droid, despite having owned a droid for at least 3 years
  1. During the Clone Wars he has a very low opinion of droids and thinks they can be easily replaced.

Considering a droid replaceable and never owning a droid are different things

Not necessarily. He could have such a low opinion that he couldn’t care less for remembering their names or having one.

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canofhumdingers said:

Omni said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Stardust1138 said:

Now we’ll never get the canon story of how Luke ended up after ROTJ.

Its like Bond just getting his license to kill and then we never get to see anymore movies.

That’s just patently false. We’ve had two different continuities exploring what happens after, and just because it wasn’t written by the original author doesn’t mean it’s not canon. Besides, Lucas never even wrote TESB or RotJ.

Lucas wrote all six movies he was involved in.

Leigh Brackett, Lawrence Kasdan, and Michael Arndt would probably disagree with you.

Leigh Brackett is given screenwriting credit out of respect from George because she passed away during early stages of the process of creating the film. It was also mostly already written before Lawerence Kasdan came into the picture. Little known facts are the relationship between Han and Leia wasn’t how he envisioned it and that he’s also said he had a big role on the film but his writing contributions were small. Funny how that works when many consider it to be his biggest contribution. That’s not to downgrade his contributions as he was definitely a piece to the puzzle like touching up Yoda’s dialogue but it’s overblown just how much he worked on it. George also doesn’t like taking too many credits for his own work according to Howard Kazanjian. He wasn’t involved in Episode VII. So you can scratch off Michael Arndt from the list of those you included.

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fmalover said:

I’ve read that movie was an unmitigated financial disaster that plunged Coppola into a massive debt that took him several years to get out of.

Yeah the history behind the film is just as interesting and really is heartbreaking in some ways. It’s quite tragic really as the film would’ve been a hit I think if given the proper chance to be. The film though at the same time captures what makes him such a great filmmaker. He’s a rebel and makes the film he wants. You have to admire someone who is uncompromising of wanting nothing short of their vision being accurately presented.

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jedi_bendu said:

StarkillerAG said:

  1. I guess that is a possible explanation, but I think it would have been a lot cleaner if Lucas just didn’t include R2 or 3PO in the prequels at all. There is zero reason they needed to be there other than nostalgia.

I agree with this. I like the idea of the story happening from the perspective of the two droids, but in the original trilogy they play a crucial role in the action while in the prequels all they do is hinder it. Their presence always felt very unnecessary to me, and they’re forever being used for goofy humour (such as everything that goes on in the Battle of Geonosis scene) which just never landed for me.

What’s more, their inclusion makes it an even bigger coincidence that they end up with Luke and the OT heroes. Lucas should have created two new droids to fill an R2-3P0-like role and dynamic if that’s what he wanted.

They’re used for goofy humour in the Original Trilogy too. R2-D2’s saw gag, R2-D2 shocking the Ewok, C-3PO setting up the Ewoks to attack the stormtroopers, Salacious Crumb poking out C-3PO’s eye, and even before this with C-3PO’s body gag at the end of The Empire Strikes Back and moments in A New Hope. They’ve always been used for goofiness to defuse the tension of moments. It’s sort of needed for kids in Attack of the Clones especially as Jango getting his head cut off is pretty grim stuff. Same really with the ending of The Empire Strikes Back.

C-3PO during Geonosis and general also has a lot of symbolism with Anakin. At the start Anakin builds C-3PO to help his mom through well intentions. This reflects back onto Anakin as he’s very selfless but there’s also a very independent streak in him at the same time. C-3PO has this too but is more neurotic. Then you get to the Battle of Geonosis both are at a crossroads. C-3PO’s body swap represents Anakin being torn between his desires and his duty. Just as Anakin represents C-3PO’s imbalance and alliances being blurred on a galactic scale. These things are also interchangeable. They eventually go their separate ways but not really as this leads to further symbolic meaning with Luke and friends later on.

There’s no coincidence if you watch the films I-VI as George intended. I don’t mean this to be rude to anyone who prefers watching them IV-VI, I-III as I know these things are subjective but so many of the problems some have with the Prequels I find tend to be from watching them as the second trilogy instead of the first. So many things work better in watching and understanding the story through the gaze of how George intended them to be viewed instead of watching them backwards as so many of the perceived plot holes aren’t actually plot holes. The story is also much more clear and you can see how seeds are being planted to eventually eclipse the entire universe.

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One from the Heart by Francis Ford Coppola.

Incredible. Simply incredible. It’s by far one of the best films I’ve ever seen. It’s nearly flawless. It’s a hybrid musical in the American Graffiti sense with a key dance number. It’s a whimsical realistic fantasy with incredible visual storytelling, mesmerising music from Tom Watts and Crystal Gayle, and subtly within the interactions between the characters. It’s about a couple on the rocks but have a genuine love for each other. What does this mean for them as they embark on spending their anniversary alone? Watch and find out. Yet it’s also so much more than that as you’ll discover.

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After over twenty five years on the air the final episodes have aired. It’s hard to believe it’s been that long as I grew up with this show. It was truly a big part of my growing up and shaping the person I am today. Now it’s over. The series finale was really well done and a fitting ending for the characters. It wasn’t what I was expecting but it was mostly very satisfying.

It’s been really fun to watch the marathon this last week. It was a great trip down memory lane and seeing some episodes I’ve missed or not seen since I was very little.

Some things will always stick with you and be part of you. Arthur is one of them for me.

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The American Friend by Wim Wenders.

A film adaptation of the novel Ripley’s Game. It’s a very beautifully shot film with equally beautiful music. The film itself was a lot of fun and intriguing with suspense. It’s a slow burner and best watched with a clear mind as there’s a lot of subtle nuance and details to keep up with as the plot isn’t always clear as it’s more driven by atmosphere. It’s not a great film as far as narrative is concerned but it was definitely good. All and all it was a pretty good time.

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Anakin should have become Darth Vader before the last 10 minutes of Episode III
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I strongly disagree. I prefer things happening gradually and over time as it allows things to play out like an opera having them spaced out. It also allows Luke to go through the same journey as his father but make a different choice as they both learn the same lessons in their first two films but in the third film you get a different choice. It also has a bigger impact seeing Anakin as human longer instead of more machine than man. You don’t get that by having Anakin become Darth Vader in the suit right away. Same with the rise of the Empire. It doesn’t happen instantly but gradually to build the tension through subtle transformation.

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#1472918
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ken-obi said:

Stardust1138 said:

I’d love to see a story that follows through with George’s Sequel plans of showing the Whills and microbiotic world. I’m so fascinated by the Force and the lore surrounding it. I know I’m in the minority though and in turn know it most likely will never happen.

Ugh, no thanks. George had 30 years to do a Sequel Trilogy, but chose not to, and even denied there was ever going be one. Then got upset because the company who had just paid him $4 billion for Star Wars wouldn’t make and pay for his newly planned Sequel film ideas for him. To me, why would someone want to see those Sequel plans as a standalone film? It may be interesting to see someone else’s POV on the Force as a spinoff film, but not from George.

Star Wars is such an amazing sandbox, the stories you could come up with are so vast, from so many artists with so viewpoints, and contrasting styles. Now, be brave and don’t look back. Don’t look back.
 

I am eagerly anticipating Rogue Squadron, but would also see like to see a standalone film told from an Imperial POV. Or maybe from the POV of a group civilians and the impact that the Rebellion and Empire have on them.

Disney bought his Sequel treatments as part of the sale. They just chose not to use them.

I’m also sure George chose not to make them because he was waiting for the cast to age up for roles he had in mind for them in the stories he wanted to tell. The technology also hadn’t fully caught up to having CGI characters like we are getting now to deage them where neccessary. I’m equally sure the backlash from some fans took a toll on him. Why would he want to do more? Especially when some fans are going to tell him that he’s wrong and doesn’t know his own creation. Some fans just want the same kind of story they got with the Original Trilogy. They want something like a spaghetti western and to feel gritty like the first two to three films. George couldn’t make that anymore as he’d be compromising his principles by not experimenting with new ideas and interpretations of his work. These interpretations I find both respected what came before but always added to the mythos and lore.

I find the idea of exploring the Whills and Midi-Chlorians vastly more interesting than getting member berries and continued space westerns. I find it so much more interesting and intriguing exploring the Force and how it connects within a greater whole. It becomes even more painfully noticeable how it’s always been there and was always building to something that eclipses the entire universe the more you watch the films I-VI as he intended. The Yoda Arc in The Clone Wars is some of the best content in all of Star Wars during the George Lucas era. I don’t really feel that sense of wonder and experimentation that often with Disney era content. The exceptions are very, very rare. Today Star Wars feels designed more around what fans expect of the franchise instead of trying new things. I do find when they do try new things it’s mostly good on its own merits but doesn’t respect what came before nearly enough. It’s a very big problem with modern Star Wars for me. It doesn’t respect what came before and is instead designed to be like the Original Trilogy and is now starting to appeal to the Prequel Trilogy generation. This just doesn’t work for me. I don’t need to be pleased. I like being challenged and having my ideas of what Star Wars can be challenged in a way that respects what came before and even if it doesn’t neccessary respect things I can still appreciate it for trying to be something new.

I’m not really finding that experimental viewpoint yet but maybe one day soon as Star Wars: Eclipse does look promising. So we’ll have to wait and see. It’s not that I even hate what Disney is doing per say but it just doesn’t hit me in the same way. It’s more hit and miss compared to before. It’s quite the contrast but in the end I’m glad some fans are enjoying the content we’re getting. I wouldn’t want to take that away from them.

I hope Rogue Squadron is everything you’re hoping for and more.

Here’s one of my favourite video essays that explores some of why I’m also intrigued by George’s ideas in case you’re curious further:

https://youtu.be/ZbfvS_BwCls