Stardust1138

SparkySywer said:

Stardust1138 said:

SparkySywer said:
made you look

It’s a symbiotic relationship

Sure, I dig that

and very spiritual.

A material explanation for how a Jedi gets their power is the polar opposite of spiritual.

The Midi-Chlorians and Force aren’t the same thing. It’s one of the biggest misconceptions.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Midichlorians-Are-Not-The-Force/id/84084/page/1#1415227

It’s spiritual in how it delves into Anakin’s origins:

“The Midi-Chlorians started the birth process in Anakin’s mother. The Whills communicated the command to the midi-chlorians, which activated the DNA that germinated the egg. That’s why Anakin doesn’t have a father. He was in a bizarre and metaphorical way touched by God, but in this case they happened to be one-celled animals.”

SparkySywer said:

BedeHistory731 said:

SparkySywer said:

Stardust1138 said:

BedeHistory731 said:

I like how the ST we got downplayed the PT (the PT being one okay movie (TPM) and two shit ones (AOTC/ROTS). The PT’s version of the force is too sci-fi for me and the proposed ST seems to double-down on that. I don’t see any Joseph Campbell in “the microbial world.”

Quotes from Joseph Campbell:

“Between mythology and biology there is a very close association. I think of mythology as a function of biology; it’s a production of the human imagination, which is moved by the energies of the organs of the body operating against each other. These are the same in human beings all over the world and this is the basis for the archetypology of myth. So, I’ve thought of myself as a kind of marginal scientist studying the phenomenology of the human body, you might say.”

"I would say that all of our sciences are the material that has to be mythologized. A mythology gives the spiritual import – what one might call rather the psychological, inward import, of the world of nature round about, as understood today. There’s no real conflict between science and religion. Religion is the recognition of the deeper dimensions that the science reveals to us. What is in conflict is the science of 2000 B.C., which is what you have in the Bible, and the science of the twentieth century A.D. You have to disengage the messages of the Bible from its science. "

“What I’m trying to say is that the structuring of a mythology is conditioned by the science at that time. There’s no use constructing a mythology based on an archaic science. I wouldn’t know what to do with an atom, but I do recognize that when we had a Ptolemaic cosmology there was a whole interpretation of the relationship of the earth to the different planes of the universe that was mythologized. What happened to that was it was given an ethical and moral value, the stages of a ladder of the heavens represented the stages of the psyche.”

None of this has anything to do with Midichlorians

Heck, I’d have loved a straight retcon of Midichlorians as a symptom of larger issues within the Jedi Order. Saying they were a bullshit idea the Order adopted in their decline as a means of selection for child abduction.

This fits in well with one of the themes of ANH of materialism vs spiritualism. It might be an interesting idea if the Jedi’s belief in midichlorians were a signifier of them leaning more toward materialism. If you lean into this enough you could make the case that the Jedi are only Jedi in name. Sure they run around the galaxy with laser swords, and they think they understand the Force (midichlorians), but they don’t have a connection to the spiritual.

The whole point of Midi-Chlorians is their connection to the Force. It’s a symbiotic relationship and very spiritual. The Midi-Chlorians and Force aren’t the same thing. It’s one of the biggest misconceptions.

“There’s this world of creatures that operate differently than we do. I call them the Whills. And the Whills are the ones who actually control the universe. They feed off the Force and the conduct is the midi-chlorians. The midi-chlorians are the ones that communicate with the Whills. The Whills, in a general sense, they are the Force.”

“The Whills are a microscopic, single-celled lifeform like amoeba, fungi, and bacteria. There’s something like 100.000 times more Whills than there are Midi-Chlorians, and there’s about 10.000 times more Midi-Chlorians than there are human cells. The only microscopic entities that can go into the human cells are the Midi-Chlorians. They are born in the cells. The Midi-Chlorians provide the energy for human cells to split and create life. The Whills are single-celled animals that feed on the Force. The more of the Force there is, the better off they are. So they have a very intense symbiotic relationship with the Midi-Chlorians and the Midi-Chlorians effectively work for the Whills."

BedeHistory731 said:

SparkySywer said:

Stardust1138 said:

BedeHistory731 said:

I like how the ST we got downplayed the PT (the PT being one okay movie (TPM) and two shit ones (AOTC/ROTS). The PT’s version of the force is too sci-fi for me and the proposed ST seems to double-down on that. I don’t see any Joseph Campbell in “the microbial world.”

Quotes from Joseph Campbell:

“Between mythology and biology there is a very close association. I think of mythology as a function of biology; it’s a production of the human imagination, which is moved by the energies of the organs of the body operating against each other. These are the same in human beings all over the world and this is the basis for the archetypology of myth. So, I’ve thought of myself as a kind of marginal scientist studying the phenomenology of the human body, you might say.”

"I would say that all of our sciences are the material that has to be mythologized. A mythology gives the spiritual import – what one might call rather the psychological, inward import, of the world of nature round about, as understood today. There’s no real conflict between science and religion. Religion is the recognition of the deeper dimensions that the science reveals to us. What is in conflict is the science of 2000 B.C., which is what you have in the Bible, and the science of the twentieth century A.D. You have to disengage the messages of the Bible from its science. "

“What I’m trying to say is that the structuring of a mythology is conditioned by the science at that time. There’s no use constructing a mythology based on an archaic science. I wouldn’t know what to do with an atom, but I do recognize that when we had a Ptolemaic cosmology there was a whole interpretation of the relationship of the earth to the different planes of the universe that was mythologized. What happened to that was it was given an ethical and moral value, the stages of a ladder of the heavens represented the stages of the psyche.”

None of this has anything to do with Midichlorians

Heck, I’d have loved a straight retcon of Midichlorians as a symptom of larger issues within the Jedi Order. Saying they were a bullshit idea the Order adopted in their decline as a means of selection for child abduction.

No thank you. I feel that would truly be a slap in the face to all six of George’s films and The Clone Wars. Star Wars has always been about symbiotic relationships and helping people. It’s just The Phantom Menace made it central to the plot and started to explore it on a deeper more ethereal level.

It’s funny how Mark talked in the 80’s how the Sequels may end on another plane of existence. So it does make me think George always had vague notions of going in this direction.

SparkySywer said:

Stardust1138 said:

BedeHistory731 said:

I like how the ST we got downplayed the PT (the PT being one okay movie (TPM) and two shit ones (AOTC/ROTS). The PT’s version of the force is too sci-fi for me and the proposed ST seems to double-down on that. I don’t see any Joseph Campbell in “the microbial world.”

Quotes from Joseph Campbell:

“Between mythology and biology there is a very close association. I think of mythology as a function of biology; it’s a production of the human imagination, which is moved by the energies of the organs of the body operating against each other. These are the same in human beings all over the world and this is the basis for the archetypology of myth. So, I’ve thought of myself as a kind of marginal scientist studying the phenomenology of the human body, you might say.”

"I would say that all of our sciences are the material that has to be mythologized. A mythology gives the spiritual import – what one might call rather the psychological, inward import, of the world of nature round about, as understood today. There’s no real conflict between science and religion. Religion is the recognition of the deeper dimensions that the science reveals to us. What is in conflict is the science of 2000 B.C., which is what you have in the Bible, and the science of the twentieth century A.D. You have to disengage the messages of the Bible from its science. "

“What I’m trying to say is that the structuring of a mythology is conditioned by the science at that time. There’s no use constructing a mythology based on an archaic science. I wouldn’t know what to do with an atom, but I do recognize that when we had a Ptolemaic cosmology there was a whole interpretation of the relationship of the earth to the different planes of the universe that was mythologized. What happened to that was it was given an ethical and moral value, the stages of a ladder of the heavens represented the stages of the psyche.”

None of this has anything to do with Midichlorians

It does indirectly as it shows he like George saw a connection between mythology and biology as I shared with the link to my other post and how George would’ve created links between the two when exploring the Whills, Force, and Midi-Chlorians.

Great choices. I long await your thoughts on Stalker.

He definitely does seem to be much more than his Italian mobster films. In particular I want to see Silence and Hugo of his other films.

https://youtu.be/IqrgxZLd_gE

https://youtu.be/Hv3obL9HqyY

act on instinct said:

Another reason I would have loved to go microbial is getting to see an alien world within an alien world, fits in with Lucas talking about circles within circles in Cloud City, I imagine some wild 2001 stargate visuals to accompany cosmic depictions of the ethereal realm, especially after the mostly stale visuals we got from the ST all these things people called Lucas a mad man for I would have dearly loved to see, unrestrained use of CGI, inter-cutting between multiple intersecting side plots, a truly explosive finale, everything but the kitchen sink!

The great thing about the circles within circles aspect is that you see it in not only with Cloud City but other planets as well. It’s a reoccurring motif. Geonosis is probably the best example I can think of with another world he explored this circular technique. It would have been mindblowing seeing it take a step further into something unknown and yet connected to a simple but innocent conversation between Qui-Gon and Anakin in The Phantom Menace.

BedeHistory731 said:

I like how the ST we got downplayed the PT (the PT being one okay movie (TPM) and two shit ones (AOTC/ROTS). The PT’s version of the force is too sci-fi for me and the proposed ST seems to double-down on that. I don’t see any Joseph Campbell in “the microbial world.”

Quotes from Joseph Campbell:

“Between mythology and biology there is a very close association. I think of mythology as a function of biology; it’s a production of the human imagination, which is moved by the energies of the organs of the body operating against each other. These are the same in human beings all over the world and this is the basis for the archetypology of myth. So, I’ve thought of myself as a kind of marginal scientist studying the phenomenology of the human body, you might say.”

"I would say that all of our sciences are the material that has to be mythologized. A mythology gives the spiritual import – what one might call rather the psychological, inward import, of the world of nature round about, as understood today. There’s no real conflict between science and religion. Religion is the recognition of the deeper dimensions that the science reveals to us. What is in conflict is the science of 2000 B.C., which is what you have in the Bible, and the science of the twentieth century A.D. You have to disengage the messages of the Bible from its science. "

“What I’m trying to say is that the structuring of a mythology is conditioned by the science at that time. There’s no use constructing a mythology based on an archaic science. I wouldn’t know what to do with an atom, but I do recognize that when we had a Ptolemaic cosmology there was a whole interpretation of the relationship of the earth to the different planes of the universe that was mythologized. What happened to that was it was given an ethical and moral value, the stages of a ladder of the heavens represented the stages of the psyche.”

George also said:

“I read a lot of books about mythology and theories behind mythology; one of the books was The Hero of a Thousand Faces by Joseph Campbell, but there were many others, maybe as many as fifty books. I basically worked out a general theory for the Force, and then played with it. The more detail I went into, the more it detracted from the concept I was trying to put forward.”

“Of course, I’m coming from the point of view that it was the bacteria that helped create the mitochondria and then the mitochondria that helped create multicelled animals.”

“And then the mitochondria, if they got enough energy, they could make two cells, and then once you make two cells, then you can make this whole world.”

“But it’s…about symbiotic relationships. I think, personally, one of the core values we should have in the world, and kids should be taught, is ecology, to understand that we all are connected. Forget the mystical whatever. It’s all just very plain. We’re all connected. What you do to somebody here, it affects somebody there, there, there, there. It comes back to you. You have understand that you’re part of a very big picture. You’re just one little part. You’re a gear. You’re just a little gear in this big picture.”

“The thing that I liked about the whole idea was that, yes, we are ruled, and the conquerors of the universe are these little one-celled animals. But they depend on us, we depend on them. And the idea was, the Force–we say it surrounds you, it control us, we control it–it’s a two-way street.”

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Midichlorians-Are-Not-The-Force/id/84084/page/1#1432204

It very much feels to me like George was exploring these concepts and discovering his own philosophy of how it all connects together into a greater whole.

I personally hate that the Sequels we got ignored the Prequels. It leaves such a large void to pretend like they never happened.

BedeHistory731 said:

Treverrow’s script felt like a Game of Thrones-level middle finger (albeit with some good ideas), while the GL sequel trilogy would need extensive revision (getting rid of Midichlorians and the microscopic stuff). I’m not keen on what we got, but I feel slightly reassured knowing it could’ve been so much thrashier.

I actually think exploring Midi-Chlorians and the Microbiotic World would have been so engaging and interesting. It’s very much Star Wars to me as it has lots of roots in Joseph Campbell’s philosophy. I like how it’s exploring the lore further and enriching it. It gives us a greater understanding of how it’s split between the Cosmic Force and Living Force. Most of all it would’ve given us an explanation of how Anakin came to be and how it connects to the Whills giving the command. The Whills are some of the oldest known lore in Star Wars. I’m very curious how the Whills are possibly connected to the Ancient Order of the Whills mentioned in the Revenge of the Sith junior novelization. R2-D2 is said to have recounted the story of the Skywalker Saga to the Keeper of the the Whills of the said order.

I feel without these things there’s a gaping hole in the narrative that doesn’t have closure and are considered “plot holes”. Same with how George planned to address the mystery of Sifo-Dyas.

Most of all it would’ve made each trilogy distinctive. They’d each serve a different function and purpose within the greater whole but still feel connected.

It reminds me of a quote from George in the 80’s:

“If the first trilogy is social and political and talks about how society evolves, Star Wars is more about personal growth and self realization, and the third deals with moral and philosophical problems. The sequel is about Jedi Knighthood, justice, confrontation, and passing on what you have learned.”

jedi_bendu said:

Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose, eh? I think you’re right. We’re in the spinoff show era now.

At the same time, I WOULD love comic adaptions to give unused stories like Lucas’ sequels and Colin Trevorrow’s episode IX the recognition they deserve.

I’m sure you’ve seen it by now but someone did a comicbook adaptation of Colin’s Episode IX.

http://awinegarner.squarespace.com/duel-of-the-fates

I’ve only skimmed through it but it’s pretty good for the most part. It feels like a proper continuation and conclusion to what happens in The Last Jedi.

I wish I had the resources as I’d go about making an animated adaptation of George’s Sequels.

fmalover said:

Honestly I don’t like the drab muted colour palette Villeneuve is going for.

I also don’t like the look of Baron Harkonnen as some sort of cyberpunk villain. I the book the Baron Harkonnen is described as having red hair and dressing in flamboyant, brightly coloured robes.

I’ve not read the books. I’m thinking about waiting until after I see the film as it will help prevent further expectations. That’s interesting though.

New character posters have been released. I’m so hyped!

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Rodney-2187 said:

I’ve read not only does Pink Floyd’s Dark Side Of The Moon sync nicely with The Wizard Of Oz, but also The Force Awakens. I’ve never tried either of these, but maybe I’ll give it a go just to try something new. I wonder what else would work well? Maybe I’ll try Empire Strikes Back with the Vangelis Blade Runner soundtrack or Rogue One with Fleetwood Mac’s Rumours.

I can confirm Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon does sync up with The Wizard of Oz. It’s a very trippy experience.

https://youtu.be/NtExVJlgEC0

The Smiths - Please, Please, Please Let Me Get What I Want

https://youtu.be/w3qPMe_cCJk

The Oh Hellos - Solider, Poet, King

https://youtu.be/1z8zZBBkIRw

fmalover said:

Even when taking into account that AotC and RotS were shot on early digital cameras, and despite the clean art nouveau aesthetic which contrasts with the OT’s rough utilitarian aesthetic, all three PT movies still look and feel like Star Wars.

I get no such feeling from any of the Disney era movies. Rogue One in particular, which takes place shortly before the start of the OT, has all the sets and costumes to fit with the timeline, but the worlds don’t feel as lived in as they did in the OT. The ST desperately tried to ape everything about the OT looks-wise, but something doesn’t feel right about them.

They do. There used to be a great video on YouTube of all six playing at the same time. It’s a shame Disney took it down as it showed how they truly blended together seamlessly and visually as a collective whole.

They also were shot in the same style. The camera work in the Disney films is different and doesn’t fit the established camera work. The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi deviated the most but not too much as they were still very much in George’s control.

This video with Rick McCallum addresses a taste of it:

https://youtu.be/EjqN-LVJVrs

Rogue One funnily enough is the only one I think that comes the closest to getting close to scale. In particular on Jedha. It’s not perfect but there’s at least a sense of scale and distance between places on the world. The Last Jedi maybe with Canto Bight but not fully.

It’s I think because there’s no signs of progression. Everything is designed to give us feelings of we’re watching the Original Trilogy without the sense of scale or understanding why said location was important. That’s why the Lars Homestead at the end of The Rise of Skywalker feels so hollow. It doesn’t understand the contexts of the central characters it connects to. Anakin didn’t like sand, was a slave, and lost his mother on Tatooine. Luke couldn’t wait to leave after his Aunt and Uncle passed away and promised to never return. He only did to rescue Han. Leia was made a slave to Jabba. Why would any of them want to be connected back to Tatooine in the end? For that matter, if the story began anywhere it’s on Naboo. It only ended on Tatooine because of nostalgia in the contexts given. That’s one of the main problems with the Sequel Trilogy. It plays things beat for beat most of the time without understanding the context of why certain things happened as they did to begin with.

The same could be said for the world building. We’ve seen these planets before - Yavin IV and D’Qar. We’ve seen these designs and aesthetics before like with Unkar’s Thugs and the Tusken Raiders. X-Wings and TIE Fighters. There’s no progression and it feels as though the galaxy never changed in the span of thirty years. It feels like there was a stalemate.

The Prequels also had heart and weren’t designed as exercises of remember this or by a committee. They had a singular vision and this was for better or worse depending on who you ask.

I was indifferent to Darth Maul coming back at first but as I’ve thought more on it - I like it. I think he could work as the big bad as he’d be the connection to an era lost. He’d also know the history of the Clone Wars to be able to reveal the mystery of Sifo-Dyas and he’d have a natural rivalry with Luke as both were connected to Obi-Wan. He’d also know of the potential of the Skywalker family. In order to move on the galaxy has to move forward from the webs created by Palpatine and his successor who learned from him.

Where was he during the Galactic Civil War? Fair enough. He could’ve been imprisoned under Palpatine or hiding until the right time to bring forth the crime syndicates and gangs. The opportunity opened up with the death of Jabba and the fall of the Empire. A true power vacuum.

I think also as long as it’s Anakin’s grandchildren defeating him then it’s not necessarily a bad thing to sort of alter what happened as it would still be the family who at the end of the day defeated the last link.

Leia becoming Supreme Chancellor makes so much sense. In The Phantom Menace we see Padme give away democracy by voting for no confidence and for it to come full circle to it returning with her daughter as the Supreme Chancellor.

Luke restoring the Jedi Order with or without the 50 to 100 surviving Jedi from Order 66 truly feels like its connecting to threads established.

It’s hard to say what Han’s role would’ve been. All we know for certain is he died in George’s Episode VII too.

All and all I think George’s Sequels feel like a natural progression and like they took in account all of Star Wars instead of just three films as the Disney trilogy tried doing.

I also feel the Prequels don’t get their due respect with cinematography. George made it look so easy but they’re truly beautiful pictures to look at. They’re shot more like documentaries instead of typical cinema. The Sequels - The Force Awakens in particular is jarring how jumpy it is and how much it limits what we see. There’s no breathing room at all and any chance to feel atmosphere is quickly cut. Only Rey’s montage comes close to giving any sense of scale but Jakku feels like miles in the same location and not Tatooine that’s filled with scale. You have the Lars Homestead in one direction and in the other you have the Tusken Raiders Camp that took time to get to. Not just two minutes.

I’ve found I really enjoy DC Comics and think they may just be better than Marvel. Marvel only really has Spider Man. Overall though I agree with Martin Scorsese and James Cameron despite how much superheroes meant to me as kid.

Star Wars is at its best when it explores the mysteries of the Force and Midi-Chlorians.

“👍🏻” is the most passive aggressive and annoying thing you can text someone no matter the context.

Ketchup isn’t good on fries.

Added my first Criterion box set - The Complete Films of Agnès Varda!

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The Complete Films of Agnès Varda

My last sale item. I’m really looking forward to exploring her art. It looks so playfully fun yet with lots of deeper meanings.

The Irishman should be good. I really need to get into Martin Scorsese’s films. The Age of Innocence is on my wish list for future sales.

The Red Shoes by Michael Powell and Emeric Pressburger.

It’s such a mesmerising and beautiful film. It truly takes you to a bygone era and has so much magic to it. It truly is a lovely story with truly unexpected turns as you’re so captivated by the visuals and story that you don’t have time to think about what will come. It’s truly a remarkable feat in cinema. I’m stunned it was released in 1948.

Office Romance (1977) from the official Mosfilm YouTube Channel. Two hours and forty minutes long. 1080p with English Subtitles.

https://youtu.be/hR-1QGMK75c

https://youtu.be/kUNy3NrxZAc

Synopsis:

“Office Romance” is about what love can do with the boss, Mymra Kalugina, and with the muffled subordinate Novoseltsev, a single father who has two children: “a boy and … another boy.” And also, what will Kalugina’s deputy, Kalugina’s secretary, Novovseltsev’s friend and Shura’s social activist say about this. A brilliant comedy by Eldar Ryazanov.

Trivia:

Ranked 19th in attendance among domestic films in the entire history of Soviet film distribution; the best film according to the survey of the magazine “Soviet Screen” in 1979.

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Fear and Desire (1953) from Akash Chandra’s YouTube Channel. One hour and fifty seven minutes. 720p. Includes interview with Stanley Kubrick.

https://youtu.be/bjJzQvjhndw

Synopsis:

After their aeroplane crashes behind enemy lines, four soldiers must survive and try to find a way back to their battalion. However, when they come across a local peasant girl the horrors of war quickly become apparent.

Trivia:

Stanley Kubrick’s debut feature after leaving Look Magazine at the age of twenty five.

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Added Criterion versions of Marketa Lazarová and The Hidden Fortress. As well as the Chelsea Football Club Season Review 2020/21.

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Marketa Lazarová
The Hidden Fortress

Eddi Reader - Dragonflies

https://youtu.be/0b3pFLk5lf0

Kate Rusby - Underneath the Stars

https://youtu.be/tORuEdknbWI

Both such beautifully talented singers with teleporting songs that take me to another plane.