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#1447234
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What do you think of the <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong>? - a general discussion thread
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Servii said:

As it stands I feel lots of apathy because the story I grew attached to feels incomplete and like it’s missing important pieces to the puzzle. I’m sad to say but I don’t know if I’ll ever fully be able to get into Disney Star Wars. I can’t even get into Mandalorian. I tried watching the first few minutes of the first episode but I just felt emotionally detached like I was mourning the lost of a family member. I want to get into it and enjoy it for what it is but everything feels so corporate now. It feels like everything within the series now relies on nostalgia and nothing more.

I’m in the same boat. I know that there are still good aspects of modern Star Wars, but the current state of things just doesn’t appeal to me anymore. I’m still revisiting some of the old EU books and playing KOTOR, but I have no investment in Star Wars as an ongoing franchise. I’m far more excited about the great work done on fan preservations than I am about any official new content.

That’s pretty much me exactly. I’m loving The Clone Wars as I only got to see the movie when it came out and a few episodes as they aired on an over the channel before the Disney sale. It’s been really fun (bittersweet as well) to explore George’s last stories. I’d like getting into more of the EU as I’ve only read bits of it in the past but unfortunately prices for works I’m interested in like The Star Wars comic book adaptation are out of budget. I am ready to play the new Lego Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga game though. I doubt it will but I hope it can at least get me to accept the Sequels for what they are as playing The Complete Saga last year helped me find my full love of the first six films again when I was feeling nearly defeated. I think the game and Visions are the only two things I’m feeling a glimmer of optimism about as far as new content is concerned.

The fan preservation is definitely great work. I’d like to get more into it. I’d honestly like making video essays about Star Wars but I don’t really know where I’d start entirely or feel I have the time to devote to the topics I’d cover.

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#1447219
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What do you think of the <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong>? - a general discussion thread
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jedi_bendu said:

I actually disagree with this. The original trilogy had different directors and writers too - Lucas, then Kershner then Marquand for directing, and while Lucas wrote Star Wars alone, TESB was the work of Kasdan and Leigh Brackett then it was back to George again. What the OT lacked which the sequels had was an overarching vision, in this case the vision of George Lucas.

Actually George had most of Empire written when Lawrence Kasdan got involved. He mostly just polished it. So most of what was written came directly from the maker himself. It’s out of respect for Leigh Brackett that he isn’t recognised for just how much he was directly involved.

However I do agree. I think having different writers isn’t a bad thing as the transition between writers in the fifth and six Harry Potter movies isn’t felt per say as the source material stays consistent as it came from one vision. They needed to sit down and plan where they were going to figure out the story they wanted to tell. Instead it was a baton race that created unnecessary plot holes and lack of cohesiveness as the story progressed.

The sad thing is they had a story ready to be made but they threw it out because they thought they could do better.

I honestly think the perfect world scenario would’ve been completing George’s nine part saga and branching out with the spinoffs. They could have enjoyed and ate their cake selling the return of nostalgic familiarity of X-Wings and TIE Fighters with Rogue One, and at the same time continuing and finishing the Skywalker saga as intended.

It would’ve been a true win/win for everyone. Fans who love George’s story get closure, fans who love the Original Trilogy get a film or two (Solo) that have lots of roots in the original films, and etc…

Afterwards it’s onward with seeing where it’s best to take Star Wars next.

As it stands I feel lots of apathy because the story I grew attached to feels incomplete and like it’s missing important pieces to the puzzle. I’m sad to say but I don’t know if I’ll ever fully be able to get into Disney Star Wars. I can’t even get into Mandalorian. I tried watching the first few minutes of the first episode but I just felt emotionally detached like I was mourning the lost of a family member. I want to get into it and enjoy it for what it is but everything feels so corporate now. It feels like everything within the series now relies on nostalgia and nothing more.

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#1447128
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Last movie seen
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Hugo by Martin Scorsese.

It’s such a touching film. I don’t really know how to describe it without spoilers. I’ll just say that it feels like a true love letter to cinema and a refined era. It started off slow and nothing like I was expecting but it turned out to be a very profound and moving experience. I highly recommend it if you love cinema beyond popcorn flicks.

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#1447058
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What do you think of the <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong>? - a general discussion thread
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In retrospect I find the trilogy to be very meh for Star Wars films. I don’t necessarily hate them but I don’t love them either. I can find some enjoyment. I find The Last Jedi in particular the most thought provoking and engaging. I think there’s no denying that most of the people who worked on these films love Star Wars. However like all of us that have consumed Star Wars for a number of years they too have their our own personal view of what that is and isn’t. That’s not a bad thing per say as it gives the individual making content a chance to bring something new to the table and create things we may never have imagined otherwise. I think however the biggest flaw with the Sequel Trilogy is to do with the context of how it executes its ideas.

The most glaring example of this for me is how it portrays the Force, Jedi, and Rey. The Force was always something you believed in but it was also something you had to work extremely hard at to grow your abilities in to understand it. It took a Jedi dedication and time to progress from padawan to knight to finally master. Anakin was still a padawan after ten years and Luke you could say was still a padawan after three to four years. This changed with Rey. She became a Jedi Master after only one year with practically no training. She learned very quickly how to use certain abilities such as the Jedi mind trick because she “Force Downloaded” Kylo’s abilities during the interrogation on Starkiller Base. It doesn’t make sense with what we learned of the Force in the previous two trilogies. The same could be said for Force Lightning. It used to be a Sith power that came from hatred and was not something you accidentally can do because it’s part of your lineage. Same with using a lightsaber. It’s much different from using a staff and requires training to use. Having said all of that it’s not bad to have Rey be a skilled pilot or mechanic as both Anakin and Luke were too. It’s just how easy these things come for her and how they are given to her. She’s given them because she’s the main character and the plot demands it. It’s not because she’s earned them. The Skywalker lightsaber, the Millennium Falcon, Luke’s X-Wing, and etc. are hers now. What is individually hers? Her speeder and staff. That’s it. It all comes back to though how the trilogy portrays the Jedi and Force.

“I will just say this: I would never presume to question anything George Lucas says is canon in Star Wars. And our job was not to negate or undo. A lot of people who are critics of our Star Trek, and I respect all of them, said we destroyed what they loved and negated everything. And we worked hard to clarify that we are not saying that our Star Trek over-rides a thing of the original Star Trek — it was a parallel timeline. I never wanted to negate canon that fans held so dear. And because I love Star Wars and have for too many years… … And having said all that and meaning it — I don’t want to presume over-write or change what George says the rules are. I’m not someone who quite understands the science of the Force. To me Star Wars was never about science fiction — it was a spiritual story. And it was more of a fairytale in that regard. For me when I heard Obi-Wan say that the Force surrounds us and binds us all together, there was no judgement about who you were. This was something that we could all access. Being strong with the force didn’t mean something scientific, it meant something spiritual. It meant someone who could believe, someone who could reach down to the depths of your feelings and follow this primal energy that was flowing through all of us. I mean, thats what was said in that first film! And there I am sitting in the theater at almost 11 years old and that was a powerful notion. And I think this is what your point was, we would like to believe that when shit gets serious, that you could harness that Force I was told surrounds not just some of us but every living thing. And so, I really feel like the assumption that any character needs to have inherited a certain number of midi-chlorians or needs to be part of a bloodline, it’s not that I don’t believe that as part of the canon, I’m just saying that at 11 years old, that wasn’t where my heart was. And so I respect and adhere to the canon but I also say that the Force has always seemed to me to be more inclusive and stronger than that.” - J.J. Abrams

The problem isn’t having new storytellers who come into the fold to create new Star Wars stories but coming in to create new Star Wars without understanding it. J.J. came in with assumptions of what it meant to him, Rian came in with assumptions of what it meant to him, Dave Filoni comes in with assumptions of what it means to him, Kathleen Kennedy comes in with what it means to her, and etc.

However can Star Wars be more than assumptions and everything I stated above?

None of these things are wrong per say as Star Wars is something that’s individual to each of us. However the only one who truly knows what it is and isn’t is George Lucas.

George never said the Force and Midi-Chlorians are the same thing. He never said Midi-Chlorians neglecte Obi-Wan’s words of the Force surrounding every living thing. He never said a lot of things but each individual gets something different out of it. They find different interpretations of what he was saying in his films.

For Star Wars to grow and evolve we have to accept that we no longer have one individual telling his stories but many individuals who have their own personal views of what it is he created. You may not always agree with George or what Disney Lucasfilm is doing now but you have to understand that it’s individual to each individual who comes into this. It’s made by fans for fans. It’s made by a corporation instead of an individual. It will have its lows and highs but what matters is taking what is given. It may not make sense with what the original creator intended or your personal view of it but that’s the reality of Star Wars now.

At the end of the day Star Wars is George’s story but we all have our own personal point of view and now we’re seeing what that means to the individual whose turn it is to tell their own interpretation.

The Sequel Trilogy looks like the Original Trilogy because that’s what Star Wars is to the people who were making it see the story as.

The Sequel Trilogy has a different spin on the Force because that’s how the people who were creating these stories see it.

The Sequel Trilogy may not feel like Star Wars but to them it does.

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#1446699
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Last movie seen
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Ivan’s Childhood by Andrei Tarkovsky.

It tells the story of twelve year old Ivan whose a spy against the Nazis. It crosses between his present reality and his past memories with his mother. All I can say is it’s heartbreaking and gut wrenching to watch but definitely worth your time. It’s a film that stays with you and continues creeping in upon reflection.

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#1446677
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General Star Wars Questions
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VegetableMan said:

Stardust1138 said:

This looks like the thread to ask. Does anyone remember the story about the Stardust Hotel during the making of Return of the Jedi and how Anthony Daniels was given the nickname of Stardust by a member of the crew on the first film? I can’t seem to find anything about it anymore with how searches are now overpopulated with Jyn and Rogue One. I’ve always seen that callback as a homage to that particular story. I believe also Anthony Daniels talks about it in the commentary of Return of the Jedi but it’s been awhile since I’ve listened to it while watching the film.

https://books.google.fr/books?id=fzCxDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA52&lpg=PA52&dq=Anthony+Daniels+Stardust+Motel&source=bl&ots=ndiZ7gnzSp&sig=ACfU3U1eDs6xSrRAgGlad6AbCnS9gsZc0w&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiKs7T4u9nyAhWNxoUKHVTIC0YQ6AF6BAgaEAM#v=onepage&q=Anthony Daniels Stardust Motel&f=false

I found this that might interest you (second paragraph of page 52).

That’s it. Thank you very much. I couldn’t remember who bestowed the nickname. Hearing it was Robert Watts brings warm feelings to my heart. Haha

I wonder if this is the out of universe reason why Jyn’s nickname is Stardust. It wouldn’t surprise me but I don’t believe it’s been said one way or the other.

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#1446509
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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My rankings have changed too.

Skywalker Saga:

The Phantom Menace
The Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi
Attack of the Clones
Revenge of the Sith
A New Hope
The Last Jedi
The Rise of Skywalker
The Force Awakens

Spinoffs:

Rogue One
Solo

TV Series:

The Clone Wars
Rebels

Attack of the Clones has become one of my favourite films in the series. It’s not perfect by any stretch but every time I watch it I discover new layers. I also enjoy the slower and meditative pacing as it gives you lots of time to reflect and absorb the atmosphere.

I’m also leaning The Rise of Skywalker slightly over The Force Awakens. I think The Force Awakens is better made but I find myself enjoying more scenes in The Rise of Skywalker, namely the Aki Aki Festival with the children and puppet show and the training montages. Context aside these things are pretty fun to watch.

I hope one day soon I’ll feel less cynical about Disney Star Wars. I miss being engaged but it’s so different from George’s Star Wars that it just doesn’t have the same feel and desire to tell stories but instead seems like nostalgic tales. I think it’s why I’m cautiously optimistic about Visions. It feels like it could be more.

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#1446506
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The Criterion Collection Thread
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LeperMessiah117 said:

Stardust1138 said:

LeperMessiah117 said:

Alright, then! And here’s my thoughts on Stalker!

I can describe Stalker in a few terms; labyrinthian, enigmatic, despairing. These terms apply not only to The Zone within the film, but the film itself.

Even though a good hour and a half of this film is set in essentially one location (the building in which houses The Room and the surrounding area just outside), the film makes a dream-like and confused journey of it, with characters disappearing from frame on one side and reappearing again on the other as the camera pans over, or characters getting left behind only show up again as the others press on ahead. The masterful camerawork shows us so much, each shot perfectly framed, and yet, we are never convinced that we are being guided through anything less than a open spaced maze. The viewer is never sure where they are going, where they are or where they have been and through it all, likely left feeling as lost as the Writer and Professor must have felt as they follow the Stalker’s lead though the enigma they know as The Zone.

The Zone is utterly confounding. One is never at any point sure what is possible in this place or of what it’s capable. We know that many have disappeared here or otherwise met their demises, but we never see by what means their fates have been met. Tanks and various vehicles lie desolate, a pair a skeletons lay forgotten in a final, eternal embrace. We are told The Porcupine’s brother was killed during a venture to The Room, but otherwise we have little to go on as to what happens to those who evoke The Zone’s punishment. And what is it that’s behind The Zone? Aliens? God? Something unfathomable perhaps. Is it even something with consciousness? Perhaps it’s an unimportant question, really. What we know is that The Zone and the consequences for “disrespecting” it are real.

And The Room with it’s promise of granting one’s innermost, secret desire is real, as evidence by the unseen Porcupine character, who committed suicide one week after returning The Room. The Room is a deeply troubling concept, and it’s function seems to be, rather than the bland “your wish has been granted” type miracle that some a who have ventured to that place presumed it would be, but rather a journey to meet oneself, one’s true inner self, which can be soul-crushing and traumatizing, as your secret, unconscious desire is laid bare to be reckoned with. Porcupine, in his conscience mind, thought to bring his brother back from the dead, only to be rewarded with a big pile of money once he returned home. Most of us consider ourselves good, well-intentioned people, but how many of us would also find a pile of cash once we got home? Even if consciously we set out to fulfill a desire of noble intent? The Room, in a way, is a mirror for looking into one’s own ‘soul’, which I think would break many of us. And in the end, the Stalker’s clients wisely chose not to enter. I think that only those who have pure hearts, either pure goodness or evil, could theoretically use The Room with satisfaction. But it begs the question if anybody like that actually exists. The Professor sets out with the intention of destroying The Room, lest it fall into the hands of an evil sort, but who knows if somebody as such could even make it that far into The Zone? Either way, The Room is not what you’d imagine it would be at first based on a simple one sentence description of it.

A few more things about movie; This is a near perfect film, I’d say. Given the time and place (and production setbacks as well), one can easily forgive the very few technical imperfections and Stalker is about as perfect as one could possibly hope for it to be. As I said, the camerawork is masterful. Every shot in the film can be used as a desktop background. I love the use of sepia-tone in this film. It somehow feels more colourless than black & white. To me, I interpret the colour change shifts to reflect The Stalker character’s hope, as all parts of the film that are in full colour are in The Zone or focused on his daughter (I love that colour shot that starts off appearing as if his daughter is walking on her own, implying the wishes he holds for her future.)

The best films have the least amount of editing and the editing very restrained (I doubt Tarkovsky shot much coverage at all). Because shots last so long (and not without purpose) there are many, many, many shots that will stick with you long after you’ve seen it. The sound design is on point. The acting is wonderfully restrained at most times, but when the actors are required to give strong emotional performances, they deliver splendidly. The music, also restrained, provides so much whenever it is used, adding to the strange atmosphere. Perhaps what I enjoy the most is the film’s atmosphere. The desolate, quiet and lonely nature of the world, as we see it, really speaks to me and reminds me alot of Eraserhead in a sense. It sounds weird, but I kinda want to visit the areas as portrayed in this film.

I would probably give the film a 9/10 overall. Very close to a 10 out of 10. I will, likely, never fully understand this film, and I’m fine with that. Stalker will be a film I’ll keep returning to and maybe I can grasp a little more of it’s truth (and perhaps my own) with each subsequent viewing.

TD;DR - Stalker is a masterpiece.

Apologies for not getting back to you sooner. I’m really glad you had such impactful viewings of Stalker. I’m not sure what else to add at the moment but I really enjoyed reading your thoughts. I think I need to revisit The Zone as I truly wonder how my prospective will change with another viewing. I just know from my first viewing it’s left me scarred after all these years and I can see the difference between my perception of life before and after that fateful experience.

Now, I need to start considering the next Tarkovsky film for a viewing. Not sure where to go next after Stalker and Solaris.

I’d say Andrei Rublev, The Sacrifice, or Mirror.

Andrei Rublev - 15th century historical epic with lots of wisdom towards faith in dark times. It’s a very moving experience.

The Sacrifice - It’s a true tragedy with ultimate light and hope. It has some of my favourite dialogue of his films and in general.

Mirror - My favourite film by him. It’s an exploration of memory in time and space itself. There’s a strong sense of familiarity with it. I’d say wait on watching it but I’m suggesting it anyways.

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#1445172
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General Star Wars Questions
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This looks like the thread to ask. Does anyone remember the story about the Stardust Hotel during the making of Return of the Jedi and how Anthony Daniels was given the nickname of Stardust by a member of the crew on the first film? I can’t seem to find anything about it anymore with how searches are now overpopulated with Jyn and Rogue One. I’ve always seen that callback as a homage to that particular story. I believe also Anthony Daniels talks about it in the commentary of Return of the Jedi but it’s been awhile since I’ve listened to it while watching the film.

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#1444383
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<strong>The Clone Wars</strong> (2008 animated tv series) - a general discussion thread
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fmalover said:

Stardust1138 said:

I’ve been thinking and find it to be very unfortunate that we never saw a confrontation between Anakin and Darth Maul. It would have been so emotional due to their interwoven destinies and so intriguing to see Anakin angry at him about killing Qui-Gon. Plus there’s even Darth Maul tapping into the void that Obi-Wan couldn’t fully fulfill of being a father figure. There’s honestly so much potential beyond even just these two points. I really wonder if George had held onto Star Wars awhile longer whether or not we would’ve seen a fight between them since the series was supposed to go longer than what we got. I’d like to hope so. Especially with Darth Maul being the big bad of his Sequels as it would’ve created an extra connective tissue history with the Skywalker family.

When Maul was reintroduced in Star Wars Rebels I expected his story to be this: he becomes an ally of the Rebellion who’s not trustworthy because he’s still very much a committed practitioner of the Dark Side and is only driven by his hatred of the Empire and revenge against the Emperor in particular, and he would frequently make snarky comments on the Rebellion’s lack of ruthlessness, and would naturally take a liking to Saw Gerrera, and would obviously encourage Ezra to give in to his darker tendencies, however his deals with the rebels start to rub on him and he becomes fond of them even if he refuses to acknowledge it. I would have then concluded his arc with him facing Darth Vader in a lightsaber duel, where he expresses a desire to have the duel with both of them in their prime, and Maul ultimately dies in his confrontation with Vader, realizing how futile his quest for vengeance against the Emperor was.

Instead what we got was Maul still looking to pick a fight with Obi-Wan. Seriously, what a waste.

Fun idea! I really like it too. I really wonder how he would’ve been portrayed as the main baddie in George’s Sequels. I can’t help but think he would be calculating with a bit of an unraveling insanity to contrast the more seductive and flirtatious Darth Talon. I think that would’ve been very new and fresh. It would’ve created a very interesting dynamic when the Solowalker son falls.

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#1444345
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The Criterion Collection Thread
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LeperMessiah117 said:

Alright, then! And here’s my thoughts on Stalker!

I can describe Stalker in a few terms; labyrinthian, enigmatic, despairing. These terms apply not only to The Zone within the film, but the film itself.

Even though a good hour and a half of this film is set in essentially one location (the building in which houses The Room and the surrounding area just outside), the film makes a dream-like and confused journey of it, with characters disappearing from frame on one side and reappearing again on the other as the camera pans over, or characters getting left behind only show up again as the others press on ahead. The masterful camerawork shows us so much, each shot perfectly framed, and yet, we are never convinced that we are being guided through anything less than a open spaced maze. The viewer is never sure where they are going, where they are or where they have been and through it all, likely left feeling as lost as the Writer and Professor must have felt as they follow the Stalker’s lead though the enigma they know as The Zone.

The Zone is utterly confounding. One is never at any point sure what is possible in this place or of what it’s capable. We know that many have disappeared here or otherwise met their demises, but we never see by what means their fates have been met. Tanks and various vehicles lie desolate, a pair a skeletons lay forgotten in a final, eternal embrace. We are told The Porcupine’s brother was killed during a venture to The Room, but otherwise we have little to go on as to what happens to those who evoke The Zone’s punishment. And what is it that’s behind The Zone? Aliens? God? Something unfathomable perhaps. Is it even something with consciousness? Perhaps it’s an unimportant question, really. What we know is that The Zone and the consequences for “disrespecting” it are real.

And The Room with it’s promise of granting one’s innermost, secret desire is real, as evidence by the unseen Porcupine character, who committed suicide one week after returning The Room. The Room is a deeply troubling concept, and it’s function seems to be, rather than the bland “your wish has been granted” type miracle that some a who have ventured to that place presumed it would be, but rather a journey to meet oneself, one’s true inner self, which can be soul-crushing and traumatizing, as your secret, unconscious desire is laid bare to be reckoned with. Porcupine, in his conscience mind, thought to bring his brother back from the dead, only to be rewarded with a big pile of money once he returned home. Most of us consider ourselves good, well-intentioned people, but how many of us would also find a pile of cash once we got home? Even if consciously we set out to fulfill a desire of noble intent? The Room, in a way, is a mirror for looking into one’s own ‘soul’, which I think would break many of us. And in the end, the Stalker’s clients wisely chose not to enter. I think that only those who have pure hearts, either pure goodness or evil, could theoretically use The Room with satisfaction. But it begs the question if anybody like that actually exists. The Professor sets out with the intention of destroying The Room, lest it fall into the hands of an evil sort, but who knows if somebody as such could even make it that far into The Zone? Either way, The Room is not what you’d imagine it would be at first based on a simple one sentence description of it.

A few more things about movie; This is a near perfect film, I’d say. Given the time and place (and production setbacks as well), one can easily forgive the very few technical imperfections and Stalker is about as perfect as one could possibly hope for it to be. As I said, the camerawork is masterful. Every shot in the film can be used as a desktop background. I love the use of sepia-tone in this film. It somehow feels more colourless than black & white. To me, I interpret the colour change shifts to reflect The Stalker character’s hope, as all parts of the film that are in full colour are in The Zone or focused on his daughter (I love that colour shot that starts off appearing as if his daughter is walking on her own, implying the wishes he holds for her future.)

The best films have the least amount of editing and the editing very restrained (I doubt Tarkovsky shot much coverage at all). Because shots last so long (and not without purpose) there are many, many, many shots that will stick with you long after you’ve seen it. The sound design is on point. The acting is wonderfully restrained at most times, but when the actors are required to give strong emotional performances, they deliver splendidly. The music, also restrained, provides so much whenever it is used, adding to the strange atmosphere. Perhaps what I enjoy the most is the film’s atmosphere. The desolate, quiet and lonely nature of the world, as we see it, really speaks to me and reminds me alot of Eraserhead in a sense. It sounds weird, but I kinda want to visit the areas as portrayed in this film.

I would probably give the film a 9/10 overall. Very close to a 10 out of 10. I will, likely, never fully understand this film, and I’m fine with that. Stalker will be a film I’ll keep returning to and maybe I can grasp a little more of it’s truth (and perhaps my own) with each subsequent viewing.

TD;DR - Stalker is a masterpiece.

Apologies for not getting back to you sooner. I’m really glad you had such impactful viewings of Stalker. I’m not sure what else to add at the moment but I really enjoyed reading your thoughts. I think I need to revisit The Zone as I truly wonder how my prospective will change with another viewing. I just know from my first viewing it’s left me scarred after all these years and I can see the difference between my perception of life before and after that fateful experience.

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#1444235
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Unpopular Opinion Thread
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Ignore the box around the text as I found the image on Reddit the other day but George said this very thing in Paul Duncan’s Original Trilogy book. Darth Vader/Anakin in the instance with Luke and even Qui-Gon when he told Shimi how unusually strong the Force is with Anakin didn’t realise how attuned they were as Midi-Chlorians are microscopic lifeforms and not the Force. It’s not until Qui-Gon took Anakin’s blood sample did he come to the conclusion that he must be the Chosen One.

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#1444174
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Unpopular Opinion Thread
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JadedSkywalker said:

I watched the end of Phantom Menace on television and i found it to be quite enjoyable, except for CGI Yoda that was a disgrace it didn’t match the other footage. They followed up with Attack of the Clones and boy that was awful. Its indefensible how bad it is. I feel bad for Natalie and Hayden they were trying their best, but the rest of the movie is junk. Even the Obi Wan stuff was terrible this time i watched it. Used to kind of like the detective aspect of OBI Wan in this movie, but its just baffling and dumb now.

I kind of understand why this is rated the worst Star Wars movie ever, and no it isn’t the Last Jedi.

On the opposite side of things I would say Attack of the Clones has only grown on me lately. It’s probably my fifth favourite Star Wars film at the moment. I think I enjoy how it’s more of a 30/40’s melodrama mixed with film noir. I also enjoy the pacing of the film. I love how it’s slower and meditative paced as it builds a very calm before the storm presence over it. The last moments of innocence if you will. There’s also lots of great underlying meaning in the imagery and dialogue. Like Coruscant becoming more commercial and Ki-Adi-Mundi remarking that Dooku is a “political idealist and not a murderer”. He turned out to be a murderer and the whole Clone Wars was indeed an “idealistic crusade” as Obi-Wan later told Luke. I enjoy the romance. One thing I find interesting is how Anakin displays very possessive qualities from being detached from feeling his emotions due to the absence of and fear over something could be happening to his mother. As well as missing Padme. He struggles with unconditional love and letting go. It shows where he differs from Luke. One seeks pleasure while the other seeks joy. That’s not to say there’s not moments where Anakin doesn’t show compassionate love. He just tries to force it when it loses its highest flame and we know he loves Padme very much but not in a healthy way. Unfortunately Padme chose the wrong guy for her and it had dire consequences on the galaxy. However we can definitely see how they both truly love each other. Obi-Wan’s investigation is also filled with potent imagery. The Clone and Separatist Armies are both being manufactured right before his very eyes is the most notable. All together it’s far from perfect but it’s still very good. I’d even say at times it can be great.

For me the title for worse Star Wars film belongs to The Force Awakens.

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#1443283
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<strong>The Clone Wars</strong> (2008 animated tv series) - a general discussion thread
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I’ve been thinking and find it to be very unfortunate that we never saw a confrontation between Anakin and Darth Maul. It would have been so emotional due to their interwoven destinies and so intriguing to see Anakin angry at him about killing Qui-Gon. Plus there’s even Darth Maul tapping into the void that Obi-Wan couldn’t fully fulfill of being a father figure. There’s honestly so much potential beyond even just these two points. I really wonder if George had held onto Star Wars awhile longer whether or not we would’ve seen a fight between them since the series was supposed to go longer than what we got. I’d like to hope so. Especially with Darth Maul being the big bad of his Sequels as it would’ve created an extra connective tissue history with the Skywalker family.

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Movies/TV officially released for free (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
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Secret Origin: The Story of DC Comics

https://youtu.be/N1lSTjClKfs

From Warner Bros. Entertainment’s YouTube Channel. One hour and thirty minutes long. 1080p.

Synopsis: Narrated by Ryan Reynolds, behind the amazing tales of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and a host of other well-known characters is the equally impressive story of the challenges, creativity and triumphs of the company that brought those characters to life. “Secret Origin: The Story of DC Comics” is both a celebration of the best writers and artists in comics and a thoughtful exploration of 75 years of DC Comics history.

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Support Jonathan Rinzler's Family
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SilverWook said:

Rinzler collaborated with Pixar director Lee Unkrich on a forthcoming book on the making of The Shining, so we have one more project to look forward to.

This one as well:

It’s notable for not just being a biography about Howard Kazanjian but how he finally had the chance to interview Marcia Lucas. He said she gives her thoughts on the Prequels. Needless to say I’m very curious.

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Small details that took you <em><strong>FOREVER</strong></em> to notice in the <em>Star Wars</em> films
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Servii said:

Stardust1138 said:

“I’m a Jedi like my father before me” is a direct callback to " I want to learn the ways of the Force and become a Jedi like my father". I can’t believe this never registered with me consciously until now.

As well as both Luke and Anakin learn the same lessons in their first two films but make a different choice in the third film of their respective trilogy.

The Phantom Menace and A New Hope:

“Feel, don’t think. Trust your instincts.”

Attack of the Clones and The Empire Strikes Back:

“Patience. Think.”

Revenge of the Sith and Return of the Jedi:

Anakin falls to the temptations and succumbs to his emotions while Luke succeeds in finding a rational way to resolve the emotional conflict facing him. In turn Anakin does the same and they both find balance.

It’s like a dialectic. Thesis -> Antithesis -> Synthesis. The middle film in the trilogy offers a counterpoint to what the first film established, then the third film has the protagonist either succeed or fail to reconcile those two conflicting points. For Luke, his initial Thesis was “I will become a Jedi like my father.” The counterpoint of that is learning what an evil man his father turned into. Then the synthesis comes when he resolves to believe in the good in his father, fulfilling the ideal of what his father could have been, which in turn helps redeem Anakin. And he learns from experience that there’s a time to take action and follow your feelings (A New Hope), but there’s also a time to take a step back and think more carefully (Empire).

Absolutely. That’s a great analogy and way of looking at it. It’s strange in a way. It never fully registered with me consciously just how much they connect to one another in this way. I think it’s from being so entranced by the visual parallels between them and the nuances that Luke is more like Padme personality wise while Leia takes more after Anakin. Yet both Luke and Leia have their own motives and sense of self.