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Stardust1138

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#1459170
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Going away? Post so here!
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I think I need to take a step back from Star Wars to focus on my other interests and pursuits. Lately I’ve noticed I’ve become a bit too possessive over the films and stories that were and it’s contributing to my inability to fully let go. I’m sure I won’t be gone long but if anyone wants to message me feel free to do so as I’ll be back in the not to distant future to answer you and we can catch up on all of the things said. Stay safe and healthy, all. Have a happy Christmas season. May the Force be with you!

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#1458170
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A '<strong>Rumour and News</strong>' thread for reported new Star Wars films and tv series
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Z6PO said:

Announcement is still up on the official site. If it had been cancelled this would have been deleted I think.

Well … Colin Trevorrow announced as director of Episode IX is still up.

https://www.starwars.com/news/colin-trevorrow-dirigira-star-wars-episodio-ix

I do hope though Rian’s trilogy ends up happening as I’m more and more curious what he’d do with a clean slate as I’ve come to regard The Last Jedi more favourably.

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#1458169
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Last movie seen
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JadedSkywalker said:

Filmmaker is a brilliant documentary by Lucas.

I also saw George Lucas maker of film which is from 1971 and shows a man with a keen intellect.

Both are fantastic. George is a great interviewee when he has someone equally as intellectual as he is to talk to but more often than not it’s journalists going through the motions.

His conversation with Bill Moyers and to an extent conversations through the years with Charlie Rose really shine a light on his knowledge and wisdom. He has a lot to share but he doesn’t get asked to do many interviews or ones of substance. It’s a real shame but Paul Duncan’s book for the Prequels apparently has a lot of his thoughts on many areas of life. I really want to read it.

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#1457743
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Last movie seen
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The Rain People by Francis Ford Coppola.

It’s probably best known as the film that catapulted George’s career as he was Francis’s assistant on the film and made the documentary Filmmaker on its production. He also worked on THX 1138. It was his second film out of USC after Finian’s Rainbow where he won a scholarship to Warner Bros and watched Francis. Marcia Lucas and Walter Murch were also notably involved.

Anyways, the film itself was a slow burner but very beautifully shot and got better and better as it went along. I really loved the character study of a woman leaving her husband while pregnant and coming across two very different men on her road trip. One who appears to be quite dumb but it’s actually something else entirely and the other who is very clever and sly but also has a history of his own. It’s a quieter film with a lot to say.

I highly recommend it if you want to see an important part of what truly kickstarted the history of all the films we know and love but also want to see a slice of life from an age not so different from now.

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#1457740
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Last song you listened to.
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Really under-rated track (not difficult given the sheer quality of back catalogue and much-varied sounds down the years).
 

It’s one of my favourites by them. It always teleports me to the innocence of youth and yet wistful about the present. It’s a song I find ages like fine wine.

I also love the original Fleetwood Mac lineup with Peter Green.

Fleetwood Mac - Black Magic Woman

https://youtu.be/hRu7Pt42x6Y

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#1456910
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George Lucas's Sequel Trilogy
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SparkySywer said:

Stardust1138 said:

SparkySywer said:

act on instinct said:

Can never get over the line of thinking that because Lucas had multiple ideas for the sequels that means he had x number of alternate versions, the creative process aside along with the fact that these are three movies we’re talking about already, this is the guy obsessed with intercutting multiple stories.

We know for a fact that the one he submitted in 2012 wasn’t the microscopic one, or the one with Darth Maul, and an older one which isn’t the one submitted in 2012, the microscopic one, or the one with Darth Maul. It could be that the older one was just spitballing, the one submitted in 2012 was catering to Disney, and that he had one main idea with the microscopic ideas and Darth Maul coming back. But I find it more likely he was spitballing the whole time and never had one, single ST idea.

Not true. Check out this interview with Jett Lucas from 2013. He knew in 2011 that George was writing for the Sequel Trilogy.

https://youtu.be/x5GD7GwU9xo

There is literally nothing in this video regarding the content of what he had written and submitted to Disney other than that it focused on passing the torch to a new generation of protagonists. What exactly is your point?

You said that he was probably spitballing. That’s not the case. He was planning and writing his treatments for the Sequels back in 2011 and considering producing them himself before Disney came into the picture. All of which Jett confirms. There’s never been a reliable source to suggest what he told Paul Duncan is different from what he submitted to Disney in 2012.

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#1456894
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Midichlorians Are Not The Force
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oojason said:

Rodney-2187 said:

I still don’t like the idea of midichlorians. From the OT we knew there was a likelihood of Force wielding abilities being inherited, but it was never so explicitly made scientific. There was a mysteriousness about it all.

The closest I can think of right now is Thor’s hammer, Mjolnir. If you’re worthy, you can lift it. It implies that even if you’re not worthy now, you can work to improve yourself and eventually become worthy. If they made some sort of biological explanation to it, well it says you’re just plain not worthy and never will be, no matter how much you try.

Not saying everyone should be able to use the Force, but at least don’t make it come down to a blood test. Either leave it mysterious or let it be something very difficult to attain. Worthy traits are often inherited, but are not the be all end all.

Like several of the posts in this thread - well said, mate. As said by someone else on the site elsewhere, yet can’t quite remember by who…

‘Capability in the force had nothing to do with midichlorians before they were introduced in TPM.’
 

As previously mentioned, you have to wonder why introducing midichlorians to the Star Wars universe in 1999 was done in such an underwhelming / ham-fisted way. That’s without even getting on to the Whills - as later explained by George offscreen.

It is a shame George had three whole films to introduce his new idea of midichlorians (circa mid-1990’s) at the time, yet neglected to even include the Whills, or introduce his notion of there now being a ‘cosmic force’ and a ‘personal force’ etc - and instead… we got MidichlorianXP blood tests. It would have been somewhat intriguing to see George attempt to put that in place in these films aimed at 10 year olds - and also somehow pull it off.
 

Actually we do.

The Cosmic Force was first mentioned in A New Hope, albeit taken out:

“Don’t be too proud of this technological terror you’ve created. The ability to destroy a planet, indeed, a whole system, is insignificant compared with the Cosmic Force.”

The Cosmic Force was first identified in Star Wars: Episode IV A New Hope, albeit in a scene that was deleted from the film by the time of its release in 1977. The term was mentioned by Darth Vader, voiced by David Prowse, as part of the first mention of the Force in one revised 1976 fourth draft of the film. The final cut of the Star Wars film reduces the mention of the Cosmic Force to the Force, and the scene of Vader, who is dubbed by James Earl Jones, is instead placed after the scene on Tatooine where Obi-Wan Kenobi defines the Force to Luke Skywalker.

Qui-Gon talks about the Living Force in The Phantom Menace:

He pulled back from going further into these things in the subsequent two Prequels because of the hostility he got from some fans. He was going to gradually reveal more with each subsequent film in the trilogy.

The Whills are actually mentioned in some context in the Revenge of the Sith script and junior novel:

There was also an additional moment with Yoda on the bridge in Revenge of the Sith when he’s mediating before he’s interrupted by Bail. He’s communing with Qui-Gon:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xs4i1r

Midi-Chlorians and the Force are two seperate things. Midi-Chlorians are still fantasy. It doesn’t take away from the mystery of the Force. It only adds to the mystery. It’s never once said x and y can’t use the Force because of your Midi-Chlorians count. It’s just not true. The Force will always surround every living thing but the issue of who is more intune than someone else with the Force has been an issue since the very beginning as shown through Luke and Han’s relationship. It’s about symbiont and concentric circles. Both of which have also been part of Star Wars from the very beginning. It’s also so much bigger.

The Whills were also mentioned in the very first Star Wars novelisation. They’re some of the oldest and least known or talked about lore.

Qui-Gon also explains things to Yoda in The Clone Wars:

https://youtu.be/e7ra7GebAks

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#1456728
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George Lucas's Sequel Trilogy
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SparkySywer said:

act on instinct said:

Can never get over the line of thinking that because Lucas had multiple ideas for the sequels that means he had x number of alternate versions, the creative process aside along with the fact that these are three movies we’re talking about already, this is the guy obsessed with intercutting multiple stories.

We know for a fact that the one he submitted in 2012 wasn’t the microscopic one, or the one with Darth Maul, and an older one which isn’t the one submitted in 2012, the microscopic one, or the one with Darth Maul. It could be that the older one was just spitballing, the one submitted in 2012 was catering to Disney, and that he had one main idea with the microscopic ideas and Darth Maul coming back. But I find it more likely he was spitballing the whole time and never had one, single ST idea.

Not true. Check out this interview with Jett Lucas from 2013. He knew in 2011 that George was writing for the Sequel Trilogy.

https://youtu.be/x5GD7GwU9xo

The claims that Darth Maul and Midi-Chlorians weren’t part of these treatments are from unclaimed sources. I trust George and Jett more than I do narrative. Disney has actively tried burying what George says. They did the same thing when Marcia spoke out and with Jonathan Rinzler’s making of book for The Force Awakens. They put it on the shelf because it surely made them look bad. Disney has a long history of covering up things they don’t want the public to know.

jedi_bendu said:

Stardust1138 said:

act on instinct said:

Can never get over the line of thinking that because Lucas had multiple ideas for the sequels that means he had x number of alternate versions, the creative process aside along with the fact that these are three movies we’re talking about already, this is the guy obsessed with intercutting multiple stories.

I don’t think it makes me a bad person to change my mind.

No, in fact I would say that makes you a better writer! Rewriting, and thinking along different lines than you did at first, can be hard.

I agree and it really is. It can also be quite funny too. It would be silly if I used my story I had long ago now. I don’t think anyone wants to see skeletons riding dinosaurs with weird aliens traveling in underwater ships with swords. Haha

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#1456538
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George Lucas's Sequel Trilogy
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act on instinct said:

Can never get over the line of thinking that because Lucas had multiple ideas for the sequels that means he had x number of alternate versions, the creative process aside along with the fact that these are three movies we’re talking about already, this is the guy obsessed with intercutting multiple stories.

Same. Stories change and evolve. This is nothing new. My story I’m writing is vastly different from what it was when I started. However many of the core elements remain. I don’t think it makes me a bad person to change my mind.

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#1456528
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Worst Edit Ideas
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Servii said:

When Palpatine gets electrocuted in RotS, digitally alter his face so that instead of getting deformed, he has Joker makeup materialize on his face. He then has the Joker makeup for the rest of the saga.

To go along with this change, edit Palpatine’s line “For a safe and secure society” to just “For a society.”

This kind of happened but with his voice. Haha

https://youtu.be/agcc7w8YmHo

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#1456474
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Star Wars releases you previously disliked, but now like or enjoy?
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Rodney-2187 said:

Stardust1138 said:

Rodney-2187 said:

I’m very happy that I allowed my view of what Star Wars is to grow and expand.

I’m trying to get there as I don’t want to feel such animosity towards most of the Disney era. I’d like to at least get to a place where I can enjoy this era in an alternate universe sort of way.

First let me state I don’t mean everyone should like everything. It seems like that’s what I’m saying sometimes, but I certainly don’t like everything myself, nor do I expect anyone else to. It’s all subjective.

That aside, I definitely am an advocate of reevaluating things from time to time. We grow and change over time, and often we can see things differently than we initially did, especially if we let go of earlier preconceptions. I don’t think I’m ever going to enjoy Jar Jar’s humor or the CGI in AotC, but the story being told in the prequels and especially the animated series is well worth overlooking the parts I’m not fond of.

As for the sequels, a lot of people have a lot to say about them. I think once the dust settles in the years to come, they may be evaluated differently. Whatever your take on them, I think most would agree this is an extremely hostile time to make anything.

This is the whole reason I say a lot of the things I do. Not because I think my opinion is better than anyone else, or I’m right and they’re wrong. And again I don’t expect everyone to see it the way I do. But if I can just get a few people to discover something they enjoy, that they may have previously overlooked, that would just make me very happy.

I really admire your take on Star Wars and often find myself wishing I could get where you’re at. I find I can in a general sense. I see the flaws in the Prequels and Originals but I find I can more easily forgive them and try understanding why George thought they worked. The difference I find when it comes to the Disney era is I end up going to a cynical place when I think of reasons why the filmmaker made x and y choice. I usually chalk it up to Disney and suits making the decisions. I agree with a lot of what you’re saying though. I think my problem with the Sequels is how they feel so different and far removed from what was central and important in George’s six films. They’re not necessarily bad movies as they’re enjoyable popcorn flicks but to me Star Wars was always more than that. Star Wars was both a popcorn flick and an art house film wrapped into one. I find The Last Jedi gets closest to capturing this but find it hard to reconcile it as a continuation of the first six as it also breaks a lot of themes and rules.

My hope is that in time I’ll be able to enjoy the Disney era for what it is. I’ll be able to point out the flaws but I won’t go straight to cynicism or sadness that George’s story feels incomplete. I’ll be able to enjoy things for what they are and not what I want them to be.

It’s a juggling act of seeing things as George Lucas Star Wars and Disney Star Wars.

I’ll definitely continue reevaluating and exploring this era as I do have fun with it for the most part. It just may not hit me in the same way and I need to find a way to be okay with that as there’s so much content I’m missing out on that I think I’d like to try getting into.

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#1456444
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Star Wars releases you previously disliked, but now like or enjoy?
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Rodney-2187 said:

I’m very happy that I allowed my view of what Star Wars is to grow and expand.

I’m trying to get there as I don’t want to feel such animosity towards most of the Disney era. I’d like to at least get to a place where I can enjoy this era in an alternate universe sort of way. I can say I’m getting there with The Last Jedi and to an extent The Rise of Skywalker but I don’t know if I’ll get there with The Force Awakens or Solo. I like Rogue One and The Last Jedi mostly. So I suppose liking two of five films isn’t all bad. I am excited however to play Lego Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga. I hope playing the Sequel era and hopefully some side quests for Solo (since they are releasing character packs for it and Rogue One) will help me reconcile with it. It may not be my Star Wars but I can at least try enjoying it on the surface instead of being bitter the story being told in the first six wasn’t complete.

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#1456294
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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sherlockpotter said:

Okay, I’ve combined my latest edit with parts from Cap’s version (as well as a few extra layers to smooth over gaps and clean up some scratches)… and I think we may have finally cracked “I am a Jedi”. I’m genuinely really excited - to my ears at least, this is the best I think it’s ever sounded. Thank you, Cap!

Of course, I’m sure someone will hear something I missed and burst my bubble, lol.

https://streamable.com/gcxs7c

I don’t keep up with this thread as much as I should but bravo if it was your idea on the purple lightsaber. I remember Carrie saying that she’d want a purple lightsaber. So that’s a great subtle way of honouring her. 😄

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#1456209
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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oojason said:

I wonder what the role was - a younger version or a clone of Palpatine, Palp’s son, or other?
 

Welp! I’m glad he finally spoke out about it as the only official confirmation we had was Internet Archive records on Disney’s UK website showing him part of the cast. Richard E. Grant also commented on it at the time to Radio Times:

“Oh, it’s definitely worth it,” he says. “If you’re a Star Wars fan, and I am, then knowing what’s coming in this is quite something.

“I absolutely understand why they’re so secretive about it, because it’s very exciting.”

The film also offers the opportunity for a reunion between Grant and former Doctor Who star Matt Smith, who has also been confirmed to star in Star Wars IX around six years after the pair clashed as the Doctor and The Great Intelligence in the BBC sci-fi series.

“Yes, we were in a Christmas special and another episode together,” Grant says. But will they share any scenes again?

“I would be fired if I told you anything about that,” he smiles.

https://www.radiotimes.com/news/film/2019-02-24/richard-e-grant-can-you-ever-forgive-me-oscars-star-wars/

I think I remember rumours at the time saying he’d be playing The Son from The Clone Wars or a younger clone version of Palpatine. I can imagine him as a variation of Palpatine before or after he Force Drains Rey and Kylo’s powers as he regains his youthful form. I can see them changing this because they felt fans would prefer seeing Ian McDiarmid the whole film.