Star Wars Purist

I understand what you're saying, but then again the central narrative, throughout each film, would center on Obi-Wan and his development into the primary Jedi Knight of the Order and his growing maturity and friendship/training and difficulty with Anakin, along with Anakin's Jedi training and prowess as a warrior and eventual Fall. Of course, they also will all have Bail Organa in a primary role, and will have C-3P0 (protocol droid for Bail's family), R2-D2 (a droid with Obi-Wan and Kenobi) and Yoda and Palpatine appearing with less screen time. 

Each film will be of a different time period, but will flow right into the next because of a more cohesive narrative and fuller wealth of characterization than what Lucas offered (although that isn't much of a compliment! lol). 

Do you have a prequel reboot you've made or are working on? I only have do much written down with my version! 

Haha. Good point! 

I didn't elaborate much on the first two "movies" because it wasn't too relevant to this thread. My Prequel Trilogy that I imagine has the original Jorus C'Baoth in a pretty major role for Episodes I and II, as The Thrawn Trilogy is so loved and has essentially served as the spiritual sequel trilogy we all wanted. So Jorus C'Baoth is kind of like Saruman from LOTR in that he was the main Jedi Knight (not counting the Master, Yoda) before his turn to a Dark Jedi and servitude to Palpatine, which is when Obi-Wan takes over that role. Episode I deals with Jorus a lot and how he basically helps start the Spaarti Cloning that crafts the Clone Army. Of course, it also deals with the discovery of Anakin by Obi-Wan (Anakin is about 18 and Obi-Wan is 35). My Episode II will deal with the Mandalorians having entered the Clone Wars, Boba Fett, the end of the Clone Wars, the death of Jorus at the hands of Obi-Wan, and Anakin!s evolution to one of the greatest Jedi of all time, and of course, Palpatine's rise to President of the Republic and the beginning of the EMPIRE. 

Episode III, of course, is the most interesting. Everyone has wanted to see the Fall of the Jedi, The Rise of the Empire, and the "death" of Anakin and "birth" of Vader ever since Star Wars premiered on May 25 1977! 

(Note: The ROTJ novelization shows that The Emperor knows of Yoda so I brought him to face off the Emperor in a great battle of the Masters of the Light and Dark Side of the Force to show this). 

In my mind...

Episode I=45 Years BBY

     -Obi-Wan discovers Anakin, who begins his training as a Jedi

     -Clone Wars begin. 

Episode II=40 Years BBY

     -Clone Wars end. 

     -Republic becomes Empire. 

     -Palpatine becomes Emperor.

     -Jedi Knights are exiled and relieved of their duties to the Republic, however         they are not yet Purged. 

Episode III=20 Years BBY

     -Shows Anakin in exile with wife. She is pregnant but wishes the tell husband of the good news for a latter time. 

     -Shows Obi-Wan with Yoda on Dagobah. Yoda feels a great disturbance in the Force foreseeing great terror and darkness in the future. 

     -Most other Jedi Knights with family ala Anakin. 

     -Empire has been gradually degraded and more totalitarian in the past 20 years as Obi-Wan discovers after leaving Dagobah. Emperor is found to be a Dark Sider. 

     -Obi-Wan recruits surviving Jedi to prepare an "Alliance to Restore the Republic" with Mon Mothma, Garm Bel Iblis, Bail Organa, and other political leaders. Finally, he finds Anakin, the most powerful lightsaber duelist, who takes it upon himself to confront The Emperor, personally, rather than be patient and go along with Obi-Wan and the burgeoning Alliance (ala Luke going off to face Vader in ESB). 

    -Anakin is lured to the pull of the Dark Side of the Force as The Emperor teases him with the power of the Dark Side, convinces him that The Empire is the only way to pave Galactic peace and security, and shows that the Jedi are Rebels fermenting a further war. 

    -The Emperor orders the newly declared Lord Darth Vader to go out with a legion of the most elite Stormtroopers and exterminate the Jedi Rebels. 

    -Obi-Wan feels a great disturbance in The Force and heads off to Dagobah for safety and for further illumination in his feeling from Yoda, the latter of whom reveals that Anakin has fallen to the Dark and the both of them feel only two Dark Forces lingering left in the Galaxy, where there was once a thousand light speckles (i.e. The Jedi have been wiped out and they feel it). 

    -Yoda faces the Emperor, and Obi-Wan hunts down his old pupil and friend. 

    -Yoda and The Emperor duel only using the Force (no sabers for them) and result in a draw with Yoda going back to Dagobah, where he's resided for over 100 years. 

    -Obi-Wan finds Vader on Mustafar (or whatever one wants to call it) and duels him until he has fallen into a Molten pit. He sees him crawl out, but cannot kill his old friend. 

   -Before Yoda goes to Dagobah, he meets up with Kenobi and the Founders of the Rebellion telling them that he senses two new "lights" in the Galaxy that could be possible Jedi survivors. Hoping that they are far-flung powerful Jedi, they instead find (relatively) nearby Illuminations in the Force on the same planet where Anakin had been with his wife for 20 years. There they find that Anakin's wife has given birth to twins, both with great force potential. Yoda tells Obi-Wan to take the boy in exile with to live with his brother Owen on Tatooine, which is far-away enough to attract further Imperial attention. Bail Organa offers to take the Mother and Daughter to live with him and his wife as a disguised hand-maiden (Mom) and an adopted daughter of the infertile Royal Couple (Leia)

  -Yoda goes back to Dagobah for the rest of his life. 

  -Obi-Wan in Tatooine with Luke, Royal Family on Alderaan with Leia.

  -Darth Vader placed in his iconic life-preserving suit of armor and respiratory helmet and The Empire now has NO restraints holding it back from unleashing further terror except for the Imperial Senate...

...two kids, two Old Wizards, and a burgeoning Rebel Alliance!

No the PT wouldn't be about Rebellion at all. The Empire forms at the end of Episode II and Episode III deals with Anakin's full transformation to Darth Vader and the events of the Jedi Purge and the birth of Luke/Leia etc. 

As I see it, Episode I would be about finding Anakin, the beginning of the Clone Wars, and all that and Episode II would be about the Clone Wars, it's end, and the beginning of the Empire. 

In no way would the whole trilogy be about the Rebellion, which wouldn't even be former yet even by Episode III. 

Someone...PLEASE...restore the Old Continuity! 

Yes but according to this novelization, Palpatine was a weak figurehead controlled by more powerful forces within The Empire, by no means the Master of the Darkside as shown with its sequels. 

I imagine it like this. 45 years prior to The Battle of Yavin, Obi-Wan was already like 35 years old and an active Jedi Knight, which is when Anakin was discovered and began his training. I also see the Clone Wars already having begun and continuing to about 40 years before Yavin. At this point, The Republic transformed into the Galactic Empire, due to inner corruption, bureaucratic crap, and due to the practical need for a stronger government, as there were obviously such great threats as the Clones and so on. In the beginning, The Empire was "a good idea", as Luke says of it in one of the deleted scenes from Star Wars.   

I see The Empire having continued to support the service of the Jedi Knights in these early days, until Senator Palpatine crafts a grand conspiracy theory charging them with beginning the Clone Wars (which may be partly true as The Thrawn Trilogy has the cloned Jorus C'Baoth). The Purge doesn't begin although the Jedi have been exiled. I then see an early proto-Rebellion occurring from 35 to 20 BBY, and at this latter date Anakin becomes Darth Vader and Purges all of the Jedi save Yoda and Kenobi. Briefly before his fall at this date, Anakin would have had to have copulated with the mother of Luke and Leia. 

Donate 10,000,000 and Lucas is obligated to remake a Prequel Trilogy to fit in perfectly with the Star Wars continuity from the Thrawn Trilogy and back...and NO CGI. 

Donate 1 Billion and Lucas will drop the "Episode IV: A New Hope" revisionist title from the title of "Star Wars" and will promise good cover art for the OOT Blu-Rays.  NO PHOTOSHOPPING! 

I constantly try and edit the Wikipedia page of the original film to read "Star Wars" and not the horrible revisionist title it has now...they always go back to "Episode IV...". Ugh. 

Well, The Emperor obviously got involved with politics and he was the Master of the Dark Side, so I kind of take that part back, but Yoda seemed completely distant from all that, almost like a monk. 

Obi-Wan had multiple pupils. 

The Emperor considered lightsabers the weapons of Jedi Knights, for the most part, and insinuated that they were beneath him. Yoda seems to be "above" a saber too, which leads me to believe that the "Masters" of the Force (either side) didn't use lightsabers, but that the Knights (Jedi) and the Dark Lords (Sith), of course, did. 

Anakin truly WAS Owen's brother. 

Anakin had a British accent like Obi-Wan!! 

The Clones were the enemies of the Republic and were not the precursors to the Stormtroopers. Made via Spaarti Cloning technology. 

Boba Fett was a Mandalorian who fought the Jedi in the Clone Wars, however, it is also stated elsewhere that he was a former Stormtrooper who went rogue, like Valence from the Marvel Comics. 

The Empire was 40 years old by the time of "Star Wars". 

The Jedi uniform or whatever was what Luke wore in "Return of the Jedi", not what Obi-Wan wore in "Star Wars" (that was disguise to fit in with his environment). 

Alderaan was a vital, central world to the Republic. 

Jedi seemed to have been patroned or sponsored by notable individuals in the Republic, who financed their respective Jedi's crusades of Justice and so forth. In exchange, the Jedi served their patron (i.e. Obi-Wan Kenobi and Bail Organa). 

The Masters of the Force were aloof from the politics, and used the Force to greater extents than the Knights or Dark Lords. 

Jedi were transported via Slave Ships in the Clone Wars, and luxury vessels were common in the era of The Republic, as well as spaceship casinos and other recreational facilities such as "The Wheel". All in all, The Old Republic was an age reminiscent of The Roaring Twenties. 

Are there any bootlegs of the Original versions of the Original Trilogy with the deleted scenes placed into the sequence of each film?  For example, is there a “Star Wars” bootleg with the Biggs/Windy scenes and the original Jabba scene (with the Human actor) IN the actual movie?  Or an “ESB” with the wappa scene, or a ROTJ with the Jerjerrod/Lightsaber construction scenes intact?

I doubt that there is, since I’ve never read about anything like them and I know a lot of these deleted scenes are either in terrible quality or aren’t available, but why not ask anyway?

Keep in mind that the special editions still had the "Greedo shoots" change, all the terrible and pointless "Episode 1" flavored CGI added to Mos Eisley, and Jar Jar's voice at the end of ROTJ....Plus, there's the terrible scream from Luke in the SE version of TESB.

However, I will agree that they're "better" than the 2004 versions, but the 2004 versions of each film are "better" than the Blu Ray versions, and the Blu Ray versions of each film will be better than the 3D versions coming out in a few years. 

You know what's better than them all though? 

The ORIGINAL versions. 

Yes, I was speaking of the assumed master-student relationship.  Honestly, though, I love most of the Marvel Comics, especially the Baron Tagge/"The Wheel" issues, and as my user-name implies, I don't care if they're considered below the "C-Canon" that most EU work falls under.  In my mind, the Prequels are beneath "Non-Canon" since they completely ruin my interpretation and enjoyment of the Original Star Wars films and work.  Sorry.  I just refuse to accept that the greatest villain of all time (imo) was once a wide-eyed "yippee!" shouting little slave boy who ALSO lived on Tatooine who then became a snotty adolescent and that he "solely" fell to the Dark Side because of a nightmare about his wife. Also Obi-Wan falling in his early 50s in Star Wars is just ridiculous.  As weird or different as Marvel's Star Wars comics got, they never got as "non-canon" as the Prequels did. 

But I digress. As for whether or not this was supposed to be Anakin, I guess none of us can ever know for sure, especially since most people will simply try to work this into the current "canon" (ugh) of the Star Wars universe and will deny this individual was ever intended to be a Jedi.  Heck, most people I talk to anymore honestly think the Vader=Luke's Dad relationship was always planned out.  Lucas's Stalin-esque Revisionism needs to be uncovered by any decent SW fan. 

You are right.  The dialogue from Star Wars (and Return of the Jedi) suggests that Luke's father/Anakin and Ben/Obi were equals rather than master-apprentice.  However, with the ret-con/merger of the characters of "Anakin" and Vader you then kind of have to accept that Luke's father was Obi's apprentice.  But, then again, this is 1979, here, before all that and back when they weren't one and the same. 

Still, though, at the end of this comic, the creature states that Luke is wearing the lightsaber of the Jedi who was chiefly responsible for saving them and Luke says that his father was someone he could be proud of (this line is all the more poignant with the character-meld/retcon in my mind!).  Furthermore, this Vanilla Ice/Muffin Hair man with Vader and Obi-Wan Kenobi most likely wouldn't simply be some random pupil since his presence is kind of odd and, seemingly, at equal status with Kenobi and Vader. 

In conclusion, it is my opinion that the man with the bad hairdo is none other than Marvel's interpretation of the visage of the father of Luke Skywalker, only placed anonymously in one panel to avoid attracting the attention of our boy George.

In fact...I doubt George has ever seen this panel!  Boy would he probably be ticked!  Heck, he would probably want to have the next Dark Horse compilation/omnibus of the Marvel comics have Hayden's visage tacked on to this panel! :P

Double Thanks for both properly categorizing my post AND for finding the exact panel! YES. This is EXACTLY it.  So, is it just me or is "Muffin Hair" a prototypical Anakin or someone else? Now that I have the panel to look at, it seems that the creature mentions several pupils being present under Obi-Wan...

P.S.  This is my first thread and I noticed I put it in the wrong category.  :(

I wish I could put up a screenshot of this but I can't find it online. Since this site has tons of retro SW fans such as myself on here, I'm assuming someone out here will know what I'm talking about.

Anyway, in the old Marvel comics Star Wars series, in the first "Special" issue or whatever, there was a plot involving an Eagle-esque race which tells Luke that they were protected/saved by Obi Wan Kenobi and two of his pupils (back then Obi-Wan was supposed to have once had multiple students, as we all know).  They then tell Luke that one of the pupils returned and basically ruined things for them (this pupil being Darth Vader). At the end of the comic, it is revealed that the other pupil of Kenobi was Luke's father. 

As anyone who really knows Star Wars understands, at this point, Luke's father and Darth Vader were two totally distinct and separate entities, and the whole Skywalker Senior/Anakin=Darth Vader thing wasn't decided until the end of the production for "The Empire Strikes Back" in 1980 (Secret History of Star Wars is great!).

When the Bird is telling this story there is a picture of Old Obi-Wan, Darth Vader (in the helmet/suit), and a young smiling Jedi with a strange little bushy hairstyle only on the top of his head. When I read this I was SHOCKED, because I knew how stringent Lucas was, even then, about Marvel not delving too deeply into the "Pre-SW (77) era" of his story.  I thought the only thing Marvel got was the Obi Wan flashback which basically had him aboard a ship solving a crisis by deducing that a microwave was causing a transmission issue (as far as I can remember).  However, this comic panel from Marvel CLEARLY reads that Obi-Wan, Luke's father, and Darth Vader were all at this planet and it also CLEARLY shows Obi-Wan and Darth Vader and...another Human. 

It seems pretty obvious that this has to be Luke's Father (now known as Anakin, since 1983) in his earliest appearance, placed into Marvel "indirectly" in a sneaky "assumed" manner.  When I look this up, I find NOTHING.  But who else could this be?  It wouldn't be young Obi-Wan, because Marvel showed an Obi-Wan from the "Prequel" days in a totally different matter, and it really couldn't be a Pre-"Incident"/Suited Vader since they show the armored Vader right there in the panel!

Have I stumbled upon the FIRST EVER APPEARANCE OF ANAKIN ?!?