Spartacus01

Besides, being told he was a slave and seeing how it effects Anakin would’ve been much more effective. It’d allow the audience to fill in the blanks

Sure, but that’s your opinion. There’s people who would have complained about what you say as well. In fact, I’m sure that if they had really done this, then the Prequels would have been criticized anyway, by using statements like: “They told us about how Anakin lived in slavery and how it was horrible, but it’s impossible to directly relate to it, because we weren’t shown. Please George, show, don’t tell.” I mean, if you really want to find problems, then it’s virtually possible to criticize the Prequels by using every possible argument and counter-argument.

Well that’s the issue, isn’t it? They’re too convoluted. They don’t work as films on their own. George should’ve cut down the story to make it less complicated.

It’s not complicated if you pay attention to the movies and notice the details, like the facial expressions, etc. For example, last year I showed all 6 original Star Wars movies to a friend of mine, and when he saw Attack of the Clones for the first time he knew right away that Sidious and Dooku were behind the creation of the Clone Army. When I told him there were people who had trouble understanding it, he literally said: “Really? But how? It’s so obvious…” So, not everyone finds the story complicated. Sure, I think that some parts could have been explained better, but the story is not so complicated to understand if you pay attention.

how Palpatine became the Chancellor

That’s the whole point of The Phantom Menace. Unless you wanted a single line where they say something like: “Palpatine became Chancellor because he was elected.”

A few scenes with Dooku in the background of TPM, talking with Qui-Gon about his deteriorating faith or belief in the Jedi, then leaving the Jedi after the death of Qui-Gon shouldn’t add-on too much to the run-time.

Sure, but Dooku wasn’t even a thing when TPM came out. It’s like saying: “In ANH there’s no clue about who Luke’s father is.” Besides, in TPM you already have to think about Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, Anakin, Padmé, and Jar Jar. So, adding Dooku as an extra-character you have to think about is just too much. However, I grant you that they could have added the AOTC deleted scenes where Dooku’s story and motivations are explored better.

I don’t expect “everything” to be covered, but I do expect to see certain events and relationships to occur on screen in the Prequels. The friendship between Obi-Wan and Anakin is an important major aspect of these films, and also to the Saga itself.

That’s your problem, not mine. As far as I’m concerned, I’ve always found more than enough what’s shown at the beginning of ROTS. From that beginning only, I’ve always been able to derive, to understand everything and I’ve always been able to grasp the emotion of the final duel. Their friendship is something that I’ve always imagined in my head, I’ve never felt the need to deepen the dynamics so much. Their friendship is a “fill in the blanks” case, at least for me.

G&G-Fan said:

Showing Anakin and Obi-Wan’s friendship makes it way more devastating when Anakin turns and they have to fight. I think that’s more important then showing him as a young kid.

Showing an innocent child who turns into an inhuman monster who kills children is very impactful as well, and showing Anakin’s childhood and his life in slavery is important to understand his character.

As I said, everything in the Prequels is important, the problem is just that there’s a limited amount of on-screan time, which prevents you from showing everything in detail. That’s why I said that the Prequels would have worked better as EU. I mean, imagine if the Prequels were an EU multimedia project, consisting of books, comics and video games. It would have been great, because in a EU multimedia project everything can be shown in detail and you don’t have to worry about on-screan time at all.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Man, you guys don’t like Legacy?

I just hate the fact that they used the Sith as the bad guys again. I mean, yeah, I’m the first who doesn’t always agree with George Lucas, but in this case I prefer to stay on his side and to say that there are no more Sith after Return of the Jedi.
We can think everything we want about the Prequels, but they exist, so why can’t we just try being consistent with them? The Prequels say that Anakin would have destroyed the Sith, and he did destroy the Sith when he killed Palpatine and Vader in Return of the Jedi. So, there should be no more Sith after that. The authors should have just been creative and come up with new enemies instead of using the Sith again and again and again. We already have 5,000 years of Sith history in the EU, so it becomes boring if you continue to use the Sith after ROTJ as well, it just shows you’re not creative.
Hell, they could have just said that Kreyt founded a random Dark Side cult revolving around his persona without being a Sith. But no, it was better to revive the Sith just because. And don’t even make me start talking about what they did with Legacy of the Force and Fate of the Jedi, because it’s just stupid and depressing.

Channel72 said:

But when people say TCW Anakin is a completely different character or that Filoni fixed him, it isn’t really correct. He’s the same as ROTS Anakin, we just got to see more of him.

Meh… I don’t know. Maybe it’s just the way Lucas directed Hayden Christensen, or perhaps Christensen’s own creative choices, but his portrayal of Anakin often bordered on eerily unstable or psychotic, like he’s channeling Malcolm McDowell in a Clockwork Orange. Even during the opening sequence of ROTS, where Anakin is arguably the most level-headed and closest to what I would have imagined him to be, Christensen still occasionally injects this underlying element of borderline personality disorder that comes out sometimes in a facial expression or line delivery.

In contrast, Clone Wars Anakin is a lot closer to something like a Han Solo/Luke Skywalker hybrid. Basically a typical “hot shot” hero character who sometimes also functions as an anti-hero when he wants to be expedient. This portrayal is definitely closer to how I imagined Anakin to be prior to the Prequels, but I also think it loses a lot of the vulnerability that Christensen’s portrayal offered.

Regardless, it’s hard to reconcile the two portrayals as representing the same character.

Agreed, and I genuinely prefer Hayden’s Anakin over TCW Anakin.

Emre1601 said:
For example, I really enjoyed the Dooku segments of 2022’s Tales Of The Jedi. But I could not help but question just why we were not shown such material in the Prequels themselves, which would have made his character and story arc far more compelling.

There’s a thing called limited amount of on-scream time. The Prequels are supposed to be three films, so you can’t expect everything to be explored in detail in three simple films, unless you want to see 10 hours-long Prequels. But I sincerely doubt you would have liked to see that, wouldn’t you?

Though I still don’t understand why Obi-Wan and Anakin’s friendship, them becoming a team, and then closer like “brothers”, wasn’t shown in the Prequel films themselves; that it needed “a footnote” such as TCW to explain or show this.

Again, it’s a matter of limited amount of on-screen time. The Prequels are not supposed to be about Anakin and Obi-Wan’s friendship, the Prequels are supposed to be about Anakin as a character, his motivations for joining the Sith and becoming Darth Vader, and the fall of the Republic. It’s only natural that they can’t show everything about Anakin and Obi-Wan’s friendship, as it’s not what they are supposed to show in detail. Unless you want to see 10 hours-long Prequels, again.

In general, I think that the Prequel Era would have worked better as part of the EU, being developed through books, comics and video games. This way, the authors wouldn’t have worried about limited onscreen time and could have developed and explained everything in detail.

Okay, the intro was the only thing I watched, because it was the only thing I really cared about. And… I didn’t find it convincing. I think the difference between the added clips and the original clips can be noticed a lot. I’m sorry, but I didn’t find it convincing.

The Legends timeline ends at 19 ABY

29 ABY for me.

After Luke’s death, Tatooine became a major pilgrimage site for people around the galaxy wanting to see where “the Son of Suns” was raised.

Nice headcanon. I think I’ll add It too.

Xelaalvarez said:

Spartacus01 said:

The link doesn’t work for me, I can’t open it.

Google drive takes a few hours to load the video online. You can download it too

How?

The link doesn’t work for me, I can’t open it.

The last movie I watched is Give It A Year, with Rose Byrne and Rafa Spall.

There will be spoilers of the movie, so don’t read if you don’t want spoilers!

Man, what I can say? I really loved Rose Byrne since I saw her playing Dormé in Star Wars. But this… This is too much. I can’t stand this movie at all.

The thing is… Basically, there’s this married couple. They really want to make the marriage work, but they really can’t, because they have feelings for other people. Now, a good ending would have been them overcoming all of this and learning that, while marriage is about compromise and sacrifice, in the end it’s worth it. But no, in the end they just break up and go with the other people they have feelings for. Ugh… I just hate this!

I am one of the few romantic people left in the world, and I still believe in love and marriage, so I REALLY hate when stories end like this. I mean, I understand that you can’t control your heart and everything, but it would have been waaaaay better if the movie made you understand that there’s no hope for them from the beginning. Instead, the movie makes you have hope for them until the very end, and then destroys every hope in the last scenes, where they just break up and go away with their other love interests. It just sucks.

I want a link only to see the alternate intro

Servii said:

Spartacus01 said:

I think Lucas himself kind of debunked that. He said that Yoda couldn’t really have done anything different. He was just manipulated into a no-win situation.

Yes, because Lucas has a fetish for the Jedi, so the Jedi can’t be wrong and saint Yoda is always right, especially when… well… he tells you to just do nothing but be happy when people around you dies.

Not saying I agree with Lucas. Just saying it wasn’t an intentional character arc.

Yes, I know you don’t agree with him haha. Well, I think that even if it’s not an intentional character arc, it’s still a nice way to see It.

I think Lucas himself kind of debunked that. He said that Yoda couldn’t really have done anything different. He was just manipulated into a no-win situation.

Yes, because Lucas has a fetish for the Jedi, so the Jedi can’t be wrong and saint Yoda is always right, especially when… well… he tells you to just do nothing but be happy when people around you dies.

NeverarGreat said:

Pre 1999 Yoda: Spiritual guru living in harmony with nature.

Post 1999 Yoda: Deadbeat father and military leader of a child-kidnapping cult who advocates for book burning.

I don’t think it is a contradiction, rather just character development. That is, Yoda became what he was before 1999 because he learned from the mistakes he made in post-1999 media. For example: yes, in Empire Strikes Back he says that war makes no one great. But why he says that? Because he made a lot of mistakes, and by participating in the Clone Wars he learned first hand that war his shit and makes no one great.

Have any of you ever read the comic adaptations of the Prequel Trilogy? If so, how are they? And what changes they have in regard to the movies? I’m talking about the 1999-2005 adaptations, not the new ones.

The primary reason why I have the Hand of Thrawn duology as my cut-off point. The Galactic Civil War is finally over, Luke and Mara are engaged to be married, and Leia has that sweet ruby lightsaber. The best possible ending to the Expanded Universe, I say.

I prefer to end the Expanded Universe with the NJO series and the end of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion. But if I have to put myself in your place, then, wouldn’t it be better to end the Expanded Universe with the Union comic in which Luke and Mara get officially married and the war is officially over? I think their wedding ceremony could be a nice ending for the universe as well.

A very radical change, I think no one has ever proposed something like this: keeping the original ending scene of ROTJ (Yub Nub), but with Hayden Christensen instead of Sebastian Shaw.

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Guys, I lost my old account, so I made a new one. Therefore, if people is still interested in this edit, then DM me on THIS account, and not on my old account.

My ranking:

1. Revenge of the Sith
2. A New Hope
3. Rogue One
4. Attack of the Clones
5. The Phantom Menace
6. The Empire Strikes Back
7. Return of the Jedi

The other movies never happened, regardless.

Anakin Starkiller said:

I don’t see what’s wrong with Obi-Wan lying about that given the circumstances.

It’s just convoluted.

It’s been a while since I last shared my personal Star Wars Canon with my old account, and my perspective has changed a bit since then. Right now, I organize my Canon into three separate timelines:

1. First Timeline: This timeline includes the Original Trilogy, the Prequel Trilogy, and every major Expanded Universe work published between 1991 and 2014, with the exception of The Clone Wars (2008), The Force Unleashed II, The Dark Empire Trilogy, The Jedi Academy Trilogy, Junior Jedi Knights, Young Jedi Knights, and the post-NJO books. Basically, it matches the timeline I shared on my old account here.
2. Second Timeline: This timeline is similar to the first one, but it doesn’t include The Old Republic and its tie-in novels. That way, Revan’s fall to the Dark Side becomes something he chose rather than being the result of Vitiate’s manipulation.
3. Third Timeline: This timeline is quite different from the other two. It includes the despecialized editions of the Original Trilogy films, along with every major Expanded Universe work published between 1991 and 1999. Basically, it’s a pre-Prequels timeline.

I was thinking about TLJ, and I’ve come to the conclusion that TLJ Luke would have been accepted more by the fans if he didn’t die at the end of the movie. He could have survived, helped Rey fight Kylo in Episode IX (no Palpatine) and helped Ray rebuild the Jedi Order in a more liberal way, similar to what he did in Legends. It would have been a nice conclusion for the Trilogy, and people probably wouldn’t hate TLJ so much. Yes, it would still be considered the AOTC of the Sequel Trilogy, but people would hate it less if Luke survived.

I would like to have a link when all this work is finished. However…

Would like to cut Yoda from Prequels altogether. Maybe some work, but the right thing i think. Preserves ESB, and he’s too old to realistically fight. Plus the Cgi doesn’t match puppet yoda. Its better that he’s something older and mysterious, who Obi goes to after the fall of the Jedi for help.

I don’t think you should cut Yoda. Maybe you could avoid making him fight, but I don’t think you should cut him altogether. I mean, in Empire Strikes Back Yoda himself says that Luke’s father (Anakin) was a powerful Jedi. How could he realistically know that, if he had never met Anakin and had never been present in the Prequels? So, again, if you want you can delete all the fighting scenes that include Yoda, but I don’t think you should cut him entirely from the Trilogy.

Try to remove Padame becoming a Senator, and have her remain a Queen. So Princess Leiah makes sense.

I don’t think leaving Padmé as a Senator makes it inconsistent that Leia is a Princess. I mean, yeah, she’s the Princess of Alderaan, but she was adopted by the Organa family, her title has nothing to do with her original family. She’s Princess Organa, not Princess Skywalker, nor Princess Amidala. Besides, leaving Padmé as Queen would not change anything, since she’s the Queen of Naboo, not the Queen of Alderaan.

I hate the post-1999 EU Jedi with every all of myself.

As far as the Prequels are concerned, I think that, given time, we would get an alternate take on the Prequel Trilogy and Anakin Skywalker’s story after the conclusion of the New Jedi Order series, as to not complicate things lore-wise during production. Once that’s wrapped up, I believe that’s when authors and other executives will turn their attention to create a project dedicated to telling the full story of the Clone Wars, the fall of the Republic, and Anakin’s transformation into Darth Vader. It would be like the Clone Wars Multimedia Project, but it starts at the very beginning of the alternate PT’s story and goes from there, expanding Anakin and Obi-Wan’s characters while introducing new characters that are connected with already-established material. I believe the Clone Wars here would follow something along the lines of Timothy Zahn’s envisioned version of the Clone Wars, while taking some artistic liberties of cut content from decades prior (such as the scrapped Kenner toy-line with Atha Prime). We would see Republic soldiers against enemy cloned warriors in a war that would last for many years, devastating the galaxy and whittling the Jedi Knights’ numbers over time. Whether or not the Jedi are destroyed during or after the war’s conclusion is up in the air, along with how quickly the Republic transformed into the Empire. The authors would probably try to focus on what the films set up first with backstories (Anakin and Owen’s brotherhood, Obi-Wan convincing Anakin to leave Tatooine to fight in the war, etc.) and then the rest is filled in with EU stories (some of which are quickly rectified to avoid continuity problems). Plus, the Jedi would be allowed to marry and have families; in fact, I reckon we could see some GoT-style conflict between Jedi dynasties and their views on the Force, Clone Wars, etc. It could even pave the way for a Jedi civil war but set in the Clone Wars era, with the survivors later hooking up with Palpatine’s Inquisitors or going into hiding

As far as the NJO is concerned, had Lucas decided to give the keys of the franchise over to EU authors, I believe Star by Star wouldn’t have killed off Anakin Solo and things would progress from there. The Solo Kids would reunite and lead the charge to retake Coruscant from the Yuuzhan Vong, each sibling goes off on their own path to find their calling (Anakin to become Luke’s successor, Jacen to explore the mysteries of the Force, and Jaina to continue being the “Sword of the Jedi”) and the post-Endor stuff would conclude there. If not, then it would probably focus more on the recovery aspect of the galaxy following the war’s end or Jacen’s journey to learning about the Force while Anakin and Jaina deal with some small crisis back in their galaxy. Without the PT films, most of the stuff the post-NJO had to work off of (Dark Nest with the Padme subplot, LOTF with the Mando shit, and Legacy comics with Krayt’s backstory) would result in a massive change and/or overhaul of plans following this.

As far as the post-Tales of the Jedi Old Republic is concerned, I think that without the PT films, KOTOR’s aesthetic would follow more of what we see in TOTJ. I think the story would remain the same, however, regarding Revan and Malak. SWTOR would also have the aesthetic change thing, and the Bane books would remain the same. However, I think that the Darth title would have been introduced in the Bane books themselves, as well as the rule to have a red lightsaber. But before the Bane books, I think the Sith would have been depicted the same way they’re depicted in TOTJ.

Overall, I think this would be a better universe for Star Wars as a whole, as the fandom would be more united. Instead of having OT fans against PT fans against ST fans against EU fans against Canon fans, we would only have film purists against those who accept both the films and the EU. And that’s it. There wouldn’t be as much division as there is today.