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- The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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I don’t see what’s wrong with Obi-Wan lying about that given the circumstances.
It’s just convoluted.
I don’t see what’s wrong with Obi-Wan lying about that given the circumstances.
It’s just convoluted.
It’s been a while since I last shared my personal Star Wars Canon with my old account, and my perspective has evolved since then. Currently, my Canon consists of three distinct timelines:
I’ve also considered creating a fourth timeline centered on the pre-1999 Expanded Universe and a reimagined version of the Prequel Trilogy. However, I’m deeply attached to the Prequels and find it difficult to fully replace them.
I was thinking about TLJ, and I’ve come to the conclusion that TLJ Luke would have been accepted more by the fans if he didn’t die at the end of the movie. He could have survived, helped Rey fight Kylo in Episode IX (no Palpatine) and helped Ray rebuild the Jedi Order in a more liberal way, similar to what he did in Legends. It would have been a nice conclusion for the Trilogy, and people probably wouldn’t hate TLJ so much. Yes, it would still be considered the AOTC of the Sequel Trilogy, but people would hate it less if Luke survived.
I would like to have a link when all this work is finished. However…
Would like to cut Yoda from Prequels altogether. Maybe some work, but the right thing i think. Preserves ESB, and he’s too old to realistically fight. Plus the Cgi doesn’t match puppet yoda. Its better that he’s something older and mysterious, who Obi goes to after the fall of the Jedi for help.
I don’t think you should cut Yoda. Maybe you could avoid making him fight, but I don’t think you should cut him altogether. I mean, in Empire Strikes Back Yoda himself says that Luke’s father (Anakin) was a powerful Jedi. How could he realistically know that, if he had never met Anakin and had never been present in the Prequels? So, again, if you want you can delete all the fighting scenes that include Yoda, but I don’t think you should cut him entirely from the Trilogy.
Try to remove Padame becoming a Senator, and have her remain a Queen. So Princess Leiah makes sense.
I don’t think leaving Padmé as a Senator makes it inconsistent that Leia is a Princess. I mean, yeah, she’s the Princess of Alderaan, but she was adopted by the Organa family, her title has nothing to do with her original family. She’s Princess Organa, not Princess Skywalker, nor Princess Amidala. Besides, leaving Padmé as Queen would not change anything, since she’s the Queen of Naboo, not the Queen of Alderaan.
I hate the post-1999 EU Jedi with every all of myself.
As far as the Prequels are concerned, I think that, given time, we would get an alternate take on the Prequel Trilogy and Anakin Skywalker’s story after the conclusion of the New Jedi Order series, as to not complicate things lore-wise during production. Once that’s wrapped up, I believe that’s when authors and other executives will turn their attention to create a project dedicated to telling the full story of the Clone Wars, the fall of the Republic, and Anakin’s transformation into Darth Vader. It would be like the Clone Wars Multimedia Project, but it starts at the very beginning of the alternate PT’s story and goes from there, expanding Anakin and Obi-Wan’s characters while introducing new characters that are connected with already-established material. I believe the Clone Wars here would follow something along the lines of Timothy Zahn’s envisioned version of the Clone Wars, while taking some artistic liberties of cut content from decades prior (such as the scrapped Kenner toy-line with Atha Prime). We would see Republic soldiers against enemy cloned warriors in a war that would last for many years, devastating the galaxy and whittling the Jedi Knights’ numbers over time. Whether or not the Jedi are destroyed during or after the war’s conclusion is up in the air, along with how quickly the Republic transformed into the Empire. The authors would probably try to focus on what the films set up first with backstories (Anakin and Owen’s brotherhood, Obi-Wan convincing Anakin to leave Tatooine to fight in the war, etc.) and then the rest is filled in with EU stories (some of which are quickly rectified to avoid continuity problems). Plus, the Jedi would be allowed to marry and have families; in fact, I reckon we could see some GoT-style conflict between Jedi dynasties and their views on the Force, Clone Wars, etc. It could even pave the way for a Jedi civil war but set in the Clone Wars era, with the survivors later hooking up with Palpatine’s Inquisitors or going into hiding
As far as the NJO is concerned, had Lucas decided to give the keys of the franchise over to EU authors, I believe Star by Star wouldn’t have killed off Anakin Solo and things would progress from there. The Solo Kids would reunite and lead the charge to retake Coruscant from the Yuuzhan Vong, each sibling goes off on their own path to find their calling (Anakin to become Luke’s successor, Jacen to explore the mysteries of the Force, and Jaina to continue being the “Sword of the Jedi”) and the post-Endor stuff would conclude there. If not, then it would probably focus more on the recovery aspect of the galaxy following the war’s end or Jacen’s journey to learning about the Force while Anakin and Jaina deal with some small crisis back in their galaxy. Without the PT films, most of the stuff the post-NJO had to work off of (Dark Nest with the Padme subplot, LOTF with the Mando shit, and Legacy comics with Krayt’s backstory) would result in a massive change and/or overhaul of plans following this.
As far as the post-Tales of the Jedi Old Republic is concerned, I think that without the PT films, KOTOR’s aesthetic would follow more of what we see in TOTJ. I think the story would remain the same, however, regarding Revan and Malak. SWTOR would also have the aesthetic change thing, and the Bane books would remain the same. However, I think that the Darth title would have been introduced in the Bane books themselves, as well as the rule to have a red lightsaber. But before the Bane books, I think the Sith would have been depicted the same way they’re depicted in TOTJ.
Overall, I think this would be a better universe for Star Wars as a whole, as the fandom would be more united. Instead of having OT fans against PT fans against ST fans against EU fans against Canon fans, we would only have film purists against those who accept both the films and the EU. And that’s it. There wouldn’t be as much division as there is today.
Interstellar is overrated.
Am I the only one who likes the idea of a consistent Canon? Lol.
And I utterly and completely loathe the Padme character, both in how she’s written and performed.
I don’t share your opinion. I love Padmé the way she is. In fact, in my Prequel rewrite she’s basically the same character, I don’t change anything about her.
In my opinion, George Lucas should never have done the Prequel Trilogy, and he should have gave the responsibility of writing the Prequel story to the Expanded Universe authors from the 90s and 2000s. Instead of having a Prequel Trilogy, I would have liked the entire Clone Wars and Anakin’s fall to be developed in a very long comic series, like Tales of the Jedi but even longer. Like, I would have loved to see Lucas abandoning his plans for making the Prequels in 1996/1997, and giving Tom Veitch the task of writing a long comic series to tell Anakin’s fall and his adventures during the Clone Wars. This way, we could have had both Tales of the Jedi and a long Prequel comic series. I would have still liked the current Prequel actors to serve as models for the appearance of the characters, though. So, Hayden Christensen would still be Anakin, Natalie Portman would still be Anakin’s wife/girlfriend, and Ewan McGregor would still be Obi-Wan.
The Big Bang Theory is overrated as fuck. I mean, I like the first three seasons, but after the third season the show becomes bad, in my opinion. Ever since they decided to give Sheldon a girlfriend, the show became bad. I can kinda accept Howard having a girlfriend, and I think Penny and Leonard are cute in the first three seasons. But then they introduced Amy, and I really can’t stand it after that. I liked it when the jokes where mostly about science and science fiction, not about couples, marriage, sex and the usual bulshit.
When we will have the technology to replace all the original voices with artificially created voices that sound exactly like those of the original actors (and thus basically redoubing all the dialogue), then I would like to bring these radical changes to the plot of the Trilogy:
The Origins and Expansion of Humanity in the Universe
Around 7 billion years ago, the Milky Way Galaxy was a vast, lifeless expanse. Despite the presence of countless habitable planets, no intelligent life had emerged anywhere. However, on a distant Earth-like planet on the opposite side of the Milky Way, the first intelligent beings — Humans — evolved. These “Original Humans” were the pioneers of life, the only intelligent species in the Galaxy. After developing advanced technology and exploring the Galaxy, the Original Humans realized their unique position as the sole intelligent life form. Faced with this knowledge, they embarked on an ambitious mission: to spread life throughout the Milky Way. They established billions of colonies on habitable worlds and sent out robotic probes containing organic material to seed life on other planets. Over billions of years, the Original Human Race eventually went extinct, but their legacy persisted. The Milky Way Galaxy became populated with countless Human civilizations, each identical in appearance to the Original Humans. One of these civilizations is us — the Humans of Earth. We evolved from the organic material left by one of those ancient robotic probes. Our civilization’s appearance and biology mirror that of the Original Humans because they are our distant ancestors.
The 27th Century and the Human Powers of the Milky Way Galaxy
By the 27th century, Earth’s Human Race has discovered many other Human civilizations spread across the Milky Way Galaxy. These civilizations, though identical in appearance, have diverged culturally, politically, and religiously. Some are engaged in conflicts over power and resources, while others dispute over their perceived closeness to the Original Humans. These are the four primary Human interstellar powers in the Milky Way:
The Mysteries of the Original Human Legacy
While the existence of the Original Humans is a well-accepted fact, much about their civilization and ultimate extinction remains shrouded in mystery. Archaeologists, historians, and scientists from various Human civilizations across the Milky Way are dedicated to uncovering the secrets of the Original Humans. Their ruins, scattered across countless planets, are often seen as sacred sites, and their advanced technologies continue to baffle even the most advanced modern scientists. The Original Humans left behind a plethora of artifacts and technologies that hint at their incredible advancements. These relics range from colossal structures on remote planets to highly sophisticated devices capable of manipulating energy and matter in ways that modern science can scarcely comprehend. Many Human civilizations view these relics with reverence, while others seek to unlock their secrets to gain a technological edge. Some notable relics include:
The Schism
Millions of years ago, a major event known as the Schism fragmented the Original Human Empire. This event, whose causes are still debated, led to the dispersion of the Original Humans across the Galaxy. Some factions of the Original Humans became more insular and isolated, while others continued to spread and colonize. The differing ideologies and philosophies resulting from the Schism have influenced the diverse cultures and political systems seen in Human civilizations today.
The Enigma of the Great Extinction
The extinction of the Original Humans is one of the universe’s greatest mysteries. Various theories abound:
The Search for the Directive
A legend persists among many Human civilizations about the Directive — an ultimate set of instructions or a guiding philosophy left by the Original Humans. It is said to contain the secrets of the universe and the key to achieving true unity and peace among all Human civilizations. Scholars and adventurers tirelessly search for clues, hidden in ancient texts and relics, hoping to uncover the Prime Directive and fulfill the legacy of the Original Humans.
Just my personal opinion, I don’t expect you guys to share it:
Episode I: Attempt on Padmé’s life. Obi-Wan is tasked with finding out who the killer is, and Anakin is tasked with escorting Padmé to Naboo. The Jedi are free to have romantic relationships, so Anakin and Padmé are free to be in love. Obi-Wan’s investigative plot is the same as in Attack of the Clones, but with more clarity (the Syfo-Dias plot is explained better). The Clone Wars begin, and Anakin, though initially uncertain, is convinced that the war will end very soon. But before leaving to fight, he and Padmé get engaged officially (no marriage, just a normal engagement).
Episode II: Anakin has a traumatic experience during one of the battles, similar to what he experienced on Jabiim in the “Star Wars: Republic” comics. This traumatic experience leds him to become increasingly desperate and to want to stop the war at any cost. He also begins to think that the Jedi are not efficient enough and that their rules will never allow the Republic to win the war and the chaos to end.
Episode III: Padmé is pregnant. More war PTSD for Anakin. Padmé tries to comfort him as much as she can, but it doesn’t work. Palpatine seduces him and tells him that embracing the Dark Side is the solution to stop the war, to restore order and peace. So, Anakin falls to the Dark Side, then we have Order 66, the duel on Mustafar (Obi-Wan tries to bring Anakin back, though), and Padmé dies after giving birth because of the injuries Anakin gives her on Mustafar.
AND YES, YODA IS PRESENT.
Sometimes I feel the Star Wars universe is unnecessarily big and confused, and that it contains a disproportionate amount of material, although there’s no need to. If I were George Lucas, this is the way I would have organized the Star Wars universe from the beginning:
That’s it. This way, there wouldn’t be too much material, the universe outside of the movies wouldn’t be so big, and perhaps people would be less confused.
I want to propose a thought experiment.
Let’s suppose for a moment that, instead of erasing all the old EU, Disney decided to delete only the books set after the Young Jedi Knights series, deciding to rewrite everything that come after it and to set the Sequel Trilogy after the YJK series.
Given this premise, how do you think an alternative post-YJK Sequel Trilogy could have been developed without the Yuuzhan Vong, Darth Caedus, Abeloth, the Lost Tribe of the Sith, etc? What ideas could they have used?
Let’s talk about it!
Since I don’t like the way the Jedi are portrayed in Lucas’ Prequel Trilogy, then I don’t accept the Old Republic Era the way it was made in the post-1999 EU either, because the Jedi from the modern Old Republic Era are nothing but a copy and paste of Lucas’ Prequel Jedi. So, I created my own head-canon for the Old Republic Era, which rewrites a lot of stuff.
These are the major events:
So, in my head-canon Palpatine and Vader are still Sith, but the Darth title and the red lightsaber rule were born with Bane. They didn’t exist before. Also, the Jedi Civil War and the New Sith Wars are merged into one single conflict.
Here are my opinions about UFOs and related topics:
This is a list of all the major changes I would make to the current Prequel Trilogy:
I’m currently planning to rewrite the Prequels by using this main concepts. My Trilogy will be based on the premise that most of the pre-1999 EU is Canon, and Rogue One will be considered Canon as well. If any of you are interested, maybe I could open a specific thread about it…