SparkySywer

RetributorsFury said:

I’m brand new to this forum, this is my first post. I’m a huge fan of the original trilogy, and I’m not a fan of much else 😃 I love games, toys, etc. that focus on the original trilogy.

Welcome to the forum king

Anchorhead said:

Stardust1138 said:
the only thing I can think of that I dislike about the Original Trilogy is Luke and Leia kissing but in a way there’s a lot of mythology that does the same thing. So while it is weird that they do kiss it’s not completely unheard of within myth and we know it influenced George

It’s truly sad how Lucas has spent decades crafting this revised image of himself as some deep thinker who embarked on a grand 12-film/6-film/9-film/the media made that up/it was always my idea/etc, Saga (genuflect).

Rowling does the same thing. I wonder if creating something that becomes as popular as Harry Potter or Star Wars does stuff like this to a person. Are there any other examples?

Stardust1138 said:

ken-obi said:

Stardust1138 said:

SparkySywer said:

BedeHistory731 said:

Sure, but sometimes you have to step back and say, “Wow, I’m spending countless hours looking for deeper meaning in family space fantasy movies. Maybe I’m no better than the nerds who memorize wikis.”

I think you absolutely can ascribe deeper meaning to Star Wars movies, even the prequels and sequels. The Star Wars fandom wouldn’t be so passionate if this weren’t the case. Star Wars isn’t indie arthouse kino and George Lucas isn’t Francis Ford Coppola, but he was a friend and close colleague of his. Star Wars isn’t Marvel either and Lucas isn’t Michael Bay.

That said, and I truly do mean no disrespect to Stardust1138 (because this is all an internet argument over above average space movies after all)…

Emre1601 said:

Mental gymnastics and insane stretches have always been required by Prequel fans when in discussion with others who did not enjoy these films or point out the discrepancies between the two trilogies. I am surprised many Prequel fans themselves rarely seem to question why Lucas’ poor writing for the later Trilogy created so many needless plot-holes and contradictions, and still look to use such gymnastics and stretches instead.

This is spot on. I almost feel like it’s a culture within the prequel fandom, because prequel fans talking about the basic plot of the prequels is full of more headcanon than what’s actually shown on screen.

All I’ll say is there’s always another side to every story. Everyone gets something different from what they see as we each have different experiences that shape us. We can choose to view something from a more personal perspective or we can view it from a more artistic perspective. I tend to view it from both but I recognise not everyone cares to go down that rabbit hole. That’s there choice but in my humble opinion especially with something as profoundly moving as Star Wars can be I question why you wouldn’t want to understand George Lucas and his point of view but in life you can’t always understand why people think as they do. I don’t know anymore in life if we truly ever understand each other but it’s human sympathy that is more valuable than ideologies, beliefs, and thought processes.

As others have said on here you assume too much. You assume that others have not also viewed the films from different perspective. You also do not factor in it is possible to view the films from such differing perspectives and still not like or enjoy them.

That is quite a narrow and limited view to take.

I would also counter that by saying I think it’s more to do with the perception of how you view the films.

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It didn’t bother her in the slightest. She’s not been influenced by me or the years of baggage we as a fandom have with it. She’s taking the story as it’s given to her in the order George wanted her and everyone to see it. Perhaps in general that’s a lesson we can all learn from on both sides that we shouldn’t project but share as the author intended versus what is personal to us until after we give the newbie a chance to form their own thoughts.

As above you assume far too much. People have watched these films in various orders, and some will have watched the Prequels before watching the Original films.

“Baggage as a fandom?”

“A lesson to be learnt?”

“we shouldn’t project but share as the author intended”

But these are only taken into account if we didn’t like the films, right? You seem to be of the opinion Star Wars fans turned up to watch the Prequels with a closed mind, already deciding they didn’t like them before seeing them, and knew nothing of George prior to them. Or if they didn’t like these movies they didn’t simply didn’t understand them.

I would suggest you open your mind to what others are saying to you when they are of the opinion they didn’t enjoy the Prequels very much.

What you are saying is insulting and a little narrow minded. Even when overlooking some brief lip service about “all views being respected” in your posts, it seems obvious you have no respect for people with the view that the Prequels were not enjoyable movies.

I do think a lot of the problems some have lay with they don’t understand it how George Lucas views it. There’s a lot of fans that are simply satisfied with the spaceships and spectacle of it or don’t try understanding things like why the Yoda in Attack of the Clones is different from where we see him in The Empire Strikes Back.

“Everyone who doesn’t like the prequels just doesn’t get them and they don’t think any more deeply about these movies than a caveman.”

I need something more than that and like being able to draw lines between the two trilogies.

“I, the annointed one, however, need a little more than what you Australopithecines seem to sustain yourselves on.”

However that doesn’t mean I think it’s wrong to have your own personal point of view on things with this very thing being what is enjoyed most or not being interested in finding the juxtapositions.

Of course

Replace all the actors with nefarious exact copies

Easy to miss this one: There’s actually two different Luke Skywalkers in the OT, one slightly taller than the other.

BedeHistory731 said:

Sure, but sometimes you have to step back and say, “Wow, I’m spending countless hours looking for deeper meaning in family space fantasy movies. Maybe I’m no better than the nerds who memorize wikis.”

I think you absolutely can ascribe deeper meaning to Star Wars movies, even the prequels and sequels. The Star Wars fandom wouldn’t be so passionate if this weren’t the case. Star Wars isn’t indie arthouse kino and George Lucas isn’t Francis Ford Coppola, but he was a friend and close colleague of his. Star Wars isn’t Marvel either and Lucas isn’t Michael Bay.

That said, and I truly do mean no disrespect to Stardust1138 (because this is all an internet argument over above average space movies after all)…

Emre1601 said:

Mental gymnastics and insane stretches have always been required by Prequel fans when in discussion with others who did not enjoy these films or point out the discrepancies between the two trilogies. I am surprised many Prequel fans themselves rarely seem to question why Lucas’ poor writing for the later Trilogy created so many needless plot-holes and contradictions, and still look to use such gymnastics and stretches instead.

This is spot on. I almost feel like it’s a culture within the prequel fandom, because prequel fans talking about the basic plot of the prequels is full of more headcanon than what’s actually shown on screen.

StarkillerAG said:

theprequelsrule said:

That could have been the surprise in TLJ; it was the reason Luke has been in exile - he sensed Palps was behind what was going on and was looking to track down his location. Wait…is that the explanation Force Ghost Luke gives towards the end of ROS? I forget.

Nope: he says “It was fear that brought me here,”

This line bothers me so much, specifically because Rian Johnson’s whole starting position dealing with Luke was that it couldn’t be fear that brought him to Ahch-To.

Yeah. I really don’t agree with the “good story, bad execution” take. We can go on and on for eons talking about how the prequels were trying to tell a story of an evil genius corrupting a democracy into a dictatorship, and that sounds very pretty. But the story these movies actually told is a moron’s serious of ass-pulls that only work because his opposition is full of bigger morons with their thumbs up their asses. Execution and story aren’t that separate, and you have to strip the prequels down beyond bare bones to get them to actually be the good story that’s supposed to be under the bad execution.

The Phantom Menace is bad, but still creatively interesting. Over the course of the trilogy though, it really just feels more and more phoned in. I think after the reaction to TPM, Lucas probably just wanted to get the trilogy done with. All the passion got drained away by the end of the trilogy. Behind the scenes content for RotS seems to support this.

I absolutely subscribe to the idea that the original plans for the trilogy before 1999 were going to have Episodes 2 and 3 go in a wildly different direction.

Really, I just can’t understand why Revenge of the Sith is considered by anyone to be some operatic masterpiece. The only good qualities it has comes from depicting the interesting events ANH describes, but even then it butchers them. It’s really just an uncompelling story, shot and directed as blandly as possible, with a healthy helping of bloat and a completely tangential VFX reel every 15 or so minutes to make sure you don’t fall asleep.

Fanedits of Revenge of the Sith that cut out the cheese and the bloat completely fail for me because once you cut that out, the movie has very little left.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Okay Willy Wonka.

No like a sandwich or something

At this point there’s no need. I have an encyclopedic memory of all three movies, you could just name a frame number and I could draw it by hand.

They should make it so when you watch Star Wars it gives you free food

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Stardust1138 said:

SparkySywer said:

Stardust1138 said:

StarkillerAG said:

• Obi-Wan doesn’t remember owning a droid, despite having owned a droid for at least 3 years

2. During the Clone Wars he has a very low opinion of droids and thinks they can be easily replaced.

Considering a droid replaceable and never owning a droid are different things

Not necessarily. He could have such a low opinion that he couldn’t care less for remembering their names or having one.

That’s a really insane stretch man

Stardust1138 said:

StarkillerAG said:

• Obi-Wan doesn’t remember owning a droid, despite having owned a droid for at least 3 years

2. During the Clone Wars he has a very low opinion of droids and thinks they can be easily replaced.

Considering a droid replaceable and never owning a droid are different things

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ukxRY45mk4

Looks sick

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Anakin Starkiller said:

A lot of people thought and maybe still think Yoda’s just short from shrinking with age, but that would make too much sense for this thread.

I always thought Yoda looked a little bigger in the PT than the OT

Anakin Starkiller said:

Virgin births are common in religion/mythology and by no means exclusive to the Virgin Mary.

You can’t deny the obvious Christian symbolism of the savior being born of a virgin birth.

RogueLeader said:

I had assumed the DJ was staying in a cell for a reason. That maybe he was safe there from potential threats, since he was basically guarded by armed security. He clearly can enter and leave whenever he wants. Or maybe that’s just where he wanted to meet Finn and Rose to prove his skill. But I could see how that might bring up some questions though.

I like this idea, although I think this might be too much to convey through fanediting

I think it might be a good idea to treat your fanedits like a Cinematic Universe, of which this is the third installment. If you plan on making movie edits of all these upcoming shows, they’re going to have about that level of interconnectedness.

I own stock in big mask so I’m happy with the pandemic continuing

Pretty pissed rn because I got thrown in the Pits of Grick

Servii said:

jedi_bendu said:

I do think the sequel trilogy feels like a strange add-on to the saga because Anakin’s story ended in ROTJ and you’re just repeating a conflict which already happened. What I would have done it market it as a new saga. You have the Skywalker saga, TPM-ROTJ, and then the sequel saga, whatever it would be nicknamed. Even though I’ve never been fond of George’s idea of the correct watching order and like to view the original and prequel trilogies as separate entities.

But at the same time, it’s not really fair to the OT to try to retroactively frame it as just “the second half of Anakin’s story,” when it’s a lot more than that.

Not sure if you’re arguing against me, but that’s kind of my point. The OT isn’t the second half of Anakin’s story, it doesn’t work as that in the first place and treating its other aspects as side plots kind of undermines the OT.

Darth Malgus said:

7. Creating a Sequel Trilogy doesn’t make any sense, no matter who created it. The Star Wars story is the story of the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker, Anakin is the protagonist of the Saga. The moment the protagonist dies, then the Saga ends and there’s nothing more to say, there’s no need to continue.

I really don’t agree because of how much of a slap-job the Story of Anakin Skywalker is. 1-3 sort of work as the first half of the story of Anakin Skywalker, in the sense that it’s not a hard sell to say it is, 4-6 do not work as the second half. I’ve got pretty mixed feelings on the ST, which seem to be souring over time, but I’ll never really be upset about them up-ending a unified Star Wars saga when the possibility for that to exist was already nuked from orbit almost two decades before them. Probably even further back.

Here’s a contribution to this thread of my own: Solo is pretty mediocre and the people are interested in Solo 2 not because there was a good story worth continuing, but because they end the movie by implying something interesting might have happened behind the scenes. I don’t hate it, and it doesn’t bug me like it used to, but it’s way overrated.