SparkySywer

If it weren’t for 2000s nostalgia being in right now, ATLA would be seen as just kind of above average.

I’d watch/read that

Man what

Vader was a specific exception George Lucas made

Cool post. I think stuff like this where we pull back and think about what the OT implied for its own backstory is cool. I think some of the stuff on here could probably be questioned further, though. Like Vader knowing about Obi-Wan having Luke, it’s not hard to believe he found out the exact nature of the relationship between ANH and ESB, but during ANH could easily put two and two together when he saw some boy strong in the Force with Obi-Wan. Or Skywalker being a nickname, which is a good idea I think, but not necessarily a requirement for a prequel.

All of Dave Filoni’s shows are decent but overrated at best (ATLA/TCW) but mostly kinda bad. The Mandalorian is his best show, but it seems that it was good in spite of him. The two episodes he directed were the worst two.

Like many things with Star Wars and the ST specifically, Kylo Ren is something that could’ve been kino but didn’t pan out

Episode 1 - Eeyah Doodoodah
Episode 2 - Blorbo Fleengah
Episode 3 - Dahndoo Fadatoo
Episode 4 - Gleenger Talsey
Episode 5 - Slumboy Forfits
Episode 6 - Teembly Stenkow
Episode 7 - Ackapoyd Zaypee
Episode 8 - Palviss Habbayo
Episode 9 - Zinger Palumbah

He doesn’t seem like a troll, just young

Darth Malgus said:
but we don’t see it because in the film he didn’t say a single word.

He says excuse me

All three of them have higher highs and way more interesting stuff than TCW

You snooze you lose

Darth Vader, haven’t you watched Star Wars

LexX said:

StarkillerAG said:

LexX said:

WookieeWarrior77 said:

And only recently I’ve thought that in SW, Vader answers to Tarkin, In ESB, EVERYONE answers to Vader, and in Jedi, Vader answers to the Emperor. Just something that crossed my mind.

I think the comparison isn’t completely fair between the films. In SW Tarkin and Vader seem to be friends who respect each other but Tarkin is the military boss who is in charge of the station. Also Vader doesn’t have much to do really on his own.

That’s obviously the current retconned explanation. But when Leia meets Tarkin for the first time, she says that he is the one “holding Vader’s leash,” heavily implying that Tarkin was actually supposed to be Vader’s superior before ESB retconned it. It’s not too much of a contradiction though.

Not really. I don’t even follow any current retcons. I think it’s more about Leia just wanting to insult Vader. She also says that Tarkin smells right after so I wouldn’t take her wordings as gospel.

Both of those have to come from some place of truth, though

BedeHistory731 said:

Mat Lucas > Matt Lanter, as far as Anakin voices go. Mat actually sounds vaguely like Hayden!

I grew up on 2002-2005 PT content, and Mat Lucas will always be the Anakin I picture in my head.

I did something like that when I was, like, 15 or 16 or however old I was. This was before I was on OT.com. I did more to try and make TPM look like a spinoff (Rogue One wasn’t even out yet lol) than to make AotC and RotS fit in more with Machete Order, though.

Servii said:

Luke says some stuff about how the Jedi allowed Sidious to destroy them, which means they apparently deserved to be destroyed, for some reason? He says the legacy of the Jedi is failure, despite the fact that the Jedi had been able to keep the Republic together and thriving (for the most part) for thousands of years. And he says that the Force doesn’t belong to the Jedi, which isn’t some groundbreaking statement. Everyone already knew that. The Jedi never claimed that the Force belonged to them.

The Jedi never claimed to own the Force, but if you wanted to be trained in the Force, you became a Jedi. That was your only avenue. If the goal of the Jedi is to preserve peace and justice in the galaxy, this makes a lot of sense. It’s harder for someone whose goals are counter to peace and justice to become powerful in the Force if the only place they can learn is from the Jedi. But it creates one single point of failure, and if the Jedi themselves fail, the whole galaxy falls. This is exactly what happened in the prequels.

There’s also the fact that Luke, given his unconventional path to knighthood, would definitely not have been the traditionalist, prequel-like Jedi the new canon portrays him as. He would have reformed the Order to correct its flaws, rather than just throwing the whole thing out without trying to change anything. But, I’ll save that for another post.

It’s really dumb that the New EU seems to make Luke kind of traditionalist, but even in the context Rian Johnson was writing in, where Luke’s Academy is mostly undefined, it doesn’t matter how much reform Luke brings to the Jedi when the fundamental function of the Jedi remains the same. Luke recreates the same point of failure that led to the fall of the Republic simply by trying to bring the Jedi back.

I get that the point is that Luke is supposed to be wrong, so we can see him have a change of heart at the end.

It isn’t so much that is ideology is wrong, but that his solution is. Luke’s ideology in the movie, that positioning the galaxy to rely on heroes to solve their problems for them isn’t a good idea, is absolutely right (and that’s why it’s so mind boggling that TRoS ends the same way as RotJ without addressing this). But he was wrong in thinking that it meant the Jedi, or something like the Jedi, have no place in the galaxy.

Anchorhead said:

Stardust1138 said:
… but as long as films like Marvel and what Star Wars is becoming are successful the storyteller will be pushed out of the equation.

The MCU is light years ahead of the Star Wars franchise where consistent story and vision are concerned. Casting, writing,

The MCU’s “writing” is like the “writing” of a porno or an 80s video game. It’s expected to be there, but it’s not that important. It’s weak and barely existent because story isn’t the point. The point is to push your buttons for a bit, and the story’s only there because people aren’t yet ready to just watch two hour long SFX sequences like they are now ready to just play games and watch people having sex.

Star Wars, for what it’s worth, is at least supposed to be about the story. The overarching story may now be a train wreck, but the only reason the MCU isn’t a train wreck is because there’s nothing in the train to wreck it.

Stardust1138 said:

ken-obi said:

I also struggle to understand George and Prequel zealots’ narrow minded views of people not liking the Prequels is because “you just don’t understand them” or “no, you must watch X, Y, Z to understand George intent and his films”, or simply trying to work George into every post or thread they make. This seems to be a more recent occurrence online in general for PT discussions. Rarely ever talking about the what occurs onscreen, what they themselves actually enjoyed about the the PT, or adding anything new to the discussions, other than condescension and some veiled insults, and also derailing the original topic of the thread. I’m not talking about about the everyday regular Prequel fans or people who simply enjoy most things Star Wars, just the G&P zealots.

Of course everyone is grateful to George for Star Wars, his creation and his dedication, but Star Wars thankfully moved on far beyond George and his retconned and re-invented visions. There is so much more to try, to experience, and enjoy.

The irony of it is Original Trilogy fans can be the exact same way. So it’s not just a Prequels fans thing to do but something I’ve seen Original fans do as well.

Source: My bum

No, actually, I really want to call this out here. You just kind of… assert this and hope it’s taken as fact. Can you give any examples of OT fans behaving the exact same way? Just so the goalposts stay where they belong, specifically I’m looking for:

1. Claiming the only reason people dislike the OT is because they didn’t understand it
2. Gatekeeping, and adding a requirement of having done your summer reading watching stuff that isn’t the OT in order for your opinion on the OT to matter
3. Rarely talk about what actually happens in the OT
4. Rarely talk about what they actually enjoyed about the OT

All of these are par for the course when talking to a dyed-in-the-wool prequel zealot.

Isn’t it just as narrow focused to not try understanding a piece of art and claiming it’s boring without understanding all of the reasons for what it is actually telling us?

If this is you providing an example of OT fans being like that, then one, you don’t seem to understand what ken-obi was talking about, which seems to be the case when you say

Stardust1138 said:

So no reason to pinpoint just Prequel fans at first as the only ones who can go a little far in how we all discuss the films.

But more importantly, two, dude, seriously, the reason people disagree with you over these movies is actually not because they just don’t understand them. And I don’t want to hear about how much you understand and respect how movies are subjective or whatever just for you to hyperfixate on the totally not phantom menace of people who just don’t want to understand the super subtle prequels.

Stardust1138 said:

I’m done though for sure as it feels like I’m getting gaslighted for not using the exact words you want me to use

What a fascinating conversation this was.

> I think it’s silly how a lot of prequel fans act in bad faith in these conversations
> Prequel fans aren’t the only ones who are mean bullies, OT fans are like that too
> That’s not at all what I was talking about
> Well, I just have a different interpretation of what you said.
> Your interpretation was wrong. You’re saying I said things which I never did.
> Well, someone else also thought what I thought too.
> This does not change that you thought I meant one thing, and I actually meant something else
> I feel gaslighted and attacked

I don’t want to get personal, but I feel like I have to. You seem to have a chronic inability to admit when you’ve made a mistake and you seem to prefer just continually pulling up excuse after excuse instead of just saying “Oops, I am human and fallible and said something that was wrong.” You very clearly misunderstood what ken-obi was saying, literally why not just admit it?

“Be brave, Luke”

“Queen” is also a pretty inaccurate description of what the Queen of Naboo actually is and does

This is Mr. Adrian Ministrator

Spuffure said:

I dislike the idea of chocolate Easter Eggs. It feels to me like consumerist nonsense and corrupts the true meaning of Easter.

I disagree. I like eating chocolate and buying things at the store.

If we’re bringing back OT villains anyway they should’ve just brought back Darth Vader and made him the villain of the whole trilogy

I think they should be reworked into worse movies

Tantive3+1 said:

Things like the Rule of Two were just made up as an explanation for why Vader and Palpatine were the only ones in the OT.

The Rule of Two could be recontextualized to be just the nature of the dark side, instead of an arcane rule the Sith must follow. Like, masters just tend to pass on their knowledge to only one apprentice, and the lack of multiple apprentices means that over time, the number of dark side masters dwindle to one.