Episode 1 - Eeyah Doodoodah
Episode 2 - Blorbo Fleengah
Episode 3 - Dahndoo Fadatoo
Episode 4 - Gleenger Talsey
Episode 5 - Slumboy Forfits
Episode 6 - Teembly Stenkow
Episode 7 - Ackapoyd Zaypee
Episode 8 - Palviss Habbayo
Episode 9 - Zinger Palumbah
He doesn’t seem like a troll, just young
Darth Malgus said:
but we don’t see it because in the film he didn’t say a single word.
He says excuse me
All three of them have higher highs and way more interesting stuff than TCW
You snooze you lose
Darth Vader, haven’t you watched Star Wars
And only recently I’ve thought that in SW, Vader answers to Tarkin, In ESB, EVERYONE answers to Vader, and in Jedi, Vader answers to the Emperor. Just something that crossed my mind.
I think the comparison isn’t completely fair between the films. In SW Tarkin and Vader seem to be friends who respect each other but Tarkin is the military boss who is in charge of the station. Also Vader doesn’t have much to do really on his own.
That’s obviously the current retconned explanation. But when Leia meets Tarkin for the first time, she says that he is the one “holding Vader’s leash,” heavily implying that Tarkin was actually supposed to be Vader’s superior before ESB retconned it. It’s not too much of a contradiction though.
Not really. I don’t even follow any current retcons. I think it’s more about Leia just wanting to insult Vader. She also says that Tarkin smells right after so I wouldn’t take her wordings as gospel.
Both of those have to come from some place of truth, though
Mat Lucas > Matt Lanter, as far as Anakin voices go. Mat actually sounds vaguely like Hayden!
I grew up on 2002-2005 PT content, and Mat Lucas will always be the Anakin I picture in my head.
I did something like that when I was, like, 15 or 16 or however old I was. This was before I was on OT.com. I did more to try and make TPM look like a spinoff (Rogue One wasn’t even out yet lol) than to make AotC and RotS fit in more with Machete Order, though.
Luke says some stuff about how the Jedi allowed Sidious to destroy them, which means they apparently deserved to be destroyed, for some reason? He says the legacy of the Jedi is failure, despite the fact that the Jedi had been able to keep the Republic together and thriving (for the most part) for thousands of years. And he says that the Force doesn’t belong to the Jedi, which isn’t some groundbreaking statement. Everyone already knew that. The Jedi never claimed that the Force belonged to them.
The Jedi never claimed to own the Force, but if you wanted to be trained in the Force, you became a Jedi. That was your only avenue. If the goal of the Jedi is to preserve peace and justice in the galaxy, this makes a lot of sense. It’s harder for someone whose goals are counter to peace and justice to become powerful in the Force if the only place they can learn is from the Jedi. But it creates one single point of failure, and if the Jedi themselves fail, the whole galaxy falls. This is exactly what happened in the prequels.
There’s also the fact that Luke, given his unconventional path to knighthood, would definitely not have been the traditionalist, prequel-like Jedi the new canon portrays him as. He would have reformed the Order to correct its flaws, rather than just throwing the whole thing out without trying to change anything. But, I’ll save that for another post.
It’s really dumb that the New EU seems to make Luke kind of traditionalist, but even in the context Rian Johnson was writing in, where Luke’s Academy is mostly undefined, it doesn’t matter how much reform Luke brings to the Jedi when the fundamental function of the Jedi remains the same. Luke recreates the same point of failure that led to the fall of the Republic simply by trying to bring the Jedi back.
I get that the point is that Luke is supposed to be wrong, so we can see him have a change of heart at the end.
It isn’t so much that is ideology is wrong, but that his solution is. Luke’s ideology in the movie, that positioning the galaxy to rely on heroes to solve their problems for them isn’t a good idea, is absolutely right (and that’s why it’s so mind boggling that TRoS ends the same way as RotJ without addressing this). But he was wrong in thinking that it meant the Jedi, or something like the Jedi, have no place in the galaxy.
Stardust1138 said:
… but as long as films like Marvel and what Star Wars is becoming are successful the storyteller will be pushed out of the equation.The MCU is light years ahead of the Star Wars franchise where consistent story and vision are concerned. Casting, writing,
The MCU’s “writing” is like the “writing” of a porno or an 80s video game. It’s expected to be there, but it’s not that important. It’s weak and barely existent because story isn’t the point. The point is to push your buttons for a bit, and the story’s only there because people aren’t yet ready to just watch two hour long SFX sequences like they are now ready to just play games and watch people having sex.
Star Wars, for what it’s worth, is at least supposed to be about the story. The overarching story may now be a train wreck, but the only reason the MCU isn’t a train wreck is because there’s nothing in the train to wreck it.
I also struggle to understand George and Prequel zealots’ narrow minded views of people not liking the Prequels is because “you just don’t understand them” or “no, you must watch X, Y, Z to understand George intent and his films”, or simply trying to work George into every post or thread they make. This seems to be a more recent occurrence online in general for PT discussions. Rarely ever talking about the what occurs onscreen, what they themselves actually enjoyed about the the PT, or adding anything new to the discussions, other than condescension and some veiled insults, and also derailing the original topic of the thread. I’m not talking about about the everyday regular Prequel fans or people who simply enjoy most things Star Wars, just the G&P zealots.
Of course everyone is grateful to George for Star Wars, his creation and his dedication, but Star Wars thankfully moved on far beyond George and his retconned and re-invented visions. There is so much more to try, to experience, and enjoy.
The irony of it is Original Trilogy fans can be the exact same way. So it’s not just a Prequels fans thing to do but something I’ve seen Original fans do as well.
Source: My bum
No, actually, I really want to call this out here. You just kind of… assert this and hope it’s taken as fact. Can you give any examples of OT fans behaving the exact same way? Just so the goalposts stay where they belong, specifically I’m looking for:
All of these are par for the course when talking to a dyed-in-the-wool prequel zealot.
Isn’t it just as narrow focused to not try understanding a piece of art and claiming it’s boring without understanding all of the reasons for what it is actually telling us?
If this is you providing an example of OT fans being like that, then one, you don’t seem to understand what ken-obi was talking about, which seems to be the case when you say
So no reason to pinpoint just Prequel fans at first as the only ones who can go a little far in how we all discuss the films.
But more importantly, two, dude, seriously, the reason people disagree with you over these movies is actually not because they just don’t understand them. And I don’t want to hear about how much you understand and respect how movies are subjective or whatever just for you to hyperfixate on the totally not phantom menace of people who just don’t want to understand the super subtle prequels.
I’m done though for sure as it feels like I’m getting gaslighted for not using the exact words you want me to use
What a fascinating conversation this was.
> I think it’s silly how a lot of prequel fans act in bad faith in these conversations
> Prequel fans aren’t the only ones who are mean bullies, OT fans are like that too
> That’s not at all what I was talking about
> Well, I just have a different interpretation of what you said.
> Your interpretation was wrong. You’re saying I said things which I never did.
> Well, someone else also thought what I thought too.
> This does not change that you thought I meant one thing, and I actually meant something else
> I feel gaslighted and attacked
I don’t want to get personal, but I feel like I have to. You seem to have a chronic inability to admit when you’ve made a mistake and you seem to prefer just continually pulling up excuse after excuse instead of just saying “Oops, I am human and fallible and said something that was wrong.” You very clearly misunderstood what ken-obi was saying, literally why not just admit it?
“Queen” is also a pretty inaccurate description of what the Queen of Naboo actually is and does
This is Mr. Adrian Ministrator
I dislike the idea of chocolate Easter Eggs. It feels to me like consumerist nonsense and corrupts the true meaning of Easter.
I disagree. I like eating chocolate and buying things at the store.
If we’re bringing back OT villains anyway they should’ve just brought back Darth Vader and made him the villain of the whole trilogy
I think they should be reworked into worse movies
Things like the Rule of Two were just made up as an explanation for why Vader and Palpatine were the only ones in the OT.
The Rule of Two could be recontextualized to be just the nature of the dark side, instead of an arcane rule the Sith must follow. Like, masters just tend to pass on their knowledge to only one apprentice, and the lack of multiple apprentices means that over time, the number of dark side masters dwindle to one.
And I think the most brilliant thing about the ST is bringing Palpatine back. People think this was a last minute change, but I think JJ had this in mind from the beginning. It was pointed out before TLJ came out that musically Rey’s Theme was a variation on Palpatine’s theme.
But they didn’t do that. And on top of that, they didn’t ask Ian McDiarmid to come back as Palpatine until a point in 2018
It was actually Jan 2019
Regarding Rian’s tweets and social media posts when he was criticized; Incredibly unprofessional. When you set out to make a sequel in a loved franchise and you openly admit you’re going to turn the franchise and the fans on their ears, be ready for some blowback and be ready for it to be harsh. All that maaaahh deeeeeeek!!! bullshit is just weird and childish. WTF, Rian?
Thing is… he didn’t respond to legitimate criticism like this.
This. You can criticize these tweets as unprofessional (and you’d be right), but the narrative going around in the wider fandom that Rian Johnson attacks fans or responds to thoughtful critique with unprofessionalism isn’t true.
It’s unprofessional but I can’t exactly blame him. I don’t mean to imply all criticism of this movie is invalid, because I don’t believe that. But so much criticism of this movie is absolutely brain-dead (be honest, yes it is), especially at the time. This person specifically is obviously not exactly a deep thinker and it’s hard to imagine this person would be acting in good faith if Rian Johnson had.
He was acting in good faith in the last quoted part, Rian still kept screaming about his dick. Would you respect a 50 year old man screaming that, even if “justified” because some 20 year old insulted his writing?
Really, though, that’s not the point; it’s still embarrassing and childish regardless of circumstance. There were many other examples; it would just take a lot of inordinate amount of effort and time to dig through his long-deleted tantrums. Disney definitely clamped down on him fast.
It appears Rian Johnson didn’t delete that tweet you posted: https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/1124530820692283392 and I doubt Disney made him delete any tweets at all, let alone “making” him delete tweets 2 years after his film’s release. That’s not “Disney definitely clamping down on him fast”.
It is a little weird that the guy who posted the tweets to Rian later deleted them all, and has since been banned from twitter.
I’d be interested in seeing more of these “many other examples” of Rian Johnson’s twitter “tantrums” about fans not liking TLJ. When you say “regardless of circumstance”, don’t ignore or forget to also include any of the death threats the toxic “fans” sent to him, of where “fans” on one of the more poisonous reddits announced his death. Was that May 4th too? I think it was? Maybe not. Or where people tweeted him that he worse than Hitler.
Rian Johnson doesn’t come off well in that tweet you posted. But I don’t know the context of it, others in that thread seem to be think RJ was “shitposting” or simply “owning” that kevin guy. Given the amount of vile and way of the top shit thrown his way over the years for making a film some people didn’t like, I’ll give him a pass for being a bit sharp to someone who is now banned from twitter for whatever reason.
I’ve no love for TLJ either, other than it looking stunning and was at least an attempt to move Star Wars forward to take risks, but the hatred, threats and shit he received was way over any acceptable critical “norm”.
I’d rather not dig through archives of #chans and dead forums if you aren’t acting in good faith
Is Rian posting unprofessionally on 4chan and dead forums?
Lucas said “balance” was removing the Sith.
It is 90% of the time, and then that other 10% it’s the Mortis arc of TCW where balance is pretty explicitly an equal amount of Light and Dark.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It’s George Lucas
It’s unprofessional but I can’t exactly blame him. I don’t mean to imply all criticism of this movie is invalid, because I don’t believe that. But so much criticism of this movie is absolutely brain-dead (be honest, yes it is), especially at the time. This person specifically is obviously not exactly a deep thinker and it’s hard to imagine this person would be acting in good faith if Rian Johnson had.
Well, a big problem with that is that it isn’t a trilogy. It’s two movies, a long ass cartoon, and then two more movies. It isn’t conducive to telling a character arc. One movie is more than enough to set Anakin up as a hero, and the third movie is way more than enough to show him adjusting into being a cyborg monster, something that’s honestly icing on the cake and not actually an essential part of this story.
Anakin only destroys the Sith on an absolute technicality.
I feel like that’s the entire point. The Jedi misinterpreted the Prophecy.
If what you mean by this is that Anakin’s not supposed to be the Chosen One in a very literal sense, you’re wrong, at least according to George Lucas. He describes Anakin as a very straightforward Chosen One who does defeat the Sith and bring balance to the Force in RotJ, at least until he changed his mind and decided Leia was the Chosen One, except not because he never ended up making that ST.
Anyway, Chosen Ones and prophecies are dumb and Anakin isn’t the OT’s protagonist, but that’s just my two cents.
What could’ve been pretty interesting, IMO, is if Anakin was more of a deconstruction of the Chosen One trope contained entirely within the prequels. The obvious way would be if Anakin does bring balance, it’s just that “balance” is not necessarily what the Jedi expected, like if it turns out the Jedi were the cause of the imbalance and he brings balance to the Force by toppling them.