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4throck said:

Octorox said:
I’m not really interested in a trilogy redux as much as a standalone edit of TROS that fits better with the other two.

To get a coherent trilogy, you need a redux.

• If you like TLJ style, you need to fix mainly FTA & TROS
• If you like TFA/TROS (those fit well) you need to fix mainly TLJ

Frankly I don’t think TLJ contradicts TFA, it’s really only TLJ and TRoS that cause issues with each other. If yuou’re trying to maintain TLJ, you only really need to mess with TRoS.

TheAlaskanSandman said:
In light, Blue is not a primary color, Cyan is.

Pedant moment, but it’s actually the other way around. Blue is a primary color in light but cyan is a primary color in dyes and painting (elementary school is just straight teaching it wrong).

The title intrigued me when I first saw it, does it tie into the movie somehow or is it just something you thought sounded cool?

I think I can articulate why exactly I’m not a fan of the idea of putting Palpatine in TLJ.

Generally if you are gonna set something up for the next movie in a series, the way you should do that is to set it up in the beginning of the movie, with all the other stuff you’re setting up for the movie itself, and just leave it unresolved in this one. For example, one of the ideas to incorporate Palpatine into TFA/TLJ that I prefer is having Snoke being a sort of middle man and promising Kylo the reward of meeting the “true power” back in TFA, as someone suggested. It would undermine Kylo killing Snoke, but it’s probably the best option if you want to go this route.

I don’t really like the idea going around here that when the Resistance is running through the radio, Palpatine’s broadcast comes through. That completely kills the pacing and distracts the audience from everything going on in the movie itself. At best the audience is going to be worrying about Palpatine’s broadcast, nothing else.

Putting in a post-credits scene of Palpatine’s return could work, but it wouldn’t solve the issue. Had they done it theatrically, this would show to people that it was the plan from the beginning, but a fanedit can’t do that and it wouldn’t story-wise solve the problem of Palpatine kind of coming out of nowhere, since the post-credits scenes on a movie kind of exist in their own story bubble. This is not a scene in Iron Man.

Looks great! Definitely very interested in this project.

How different will this fanedit be? What catches my eye is that “Every scene is totally reworked to reduce bad-ness and maximize effectiveness and enjoy-ability”, could you give an example? I’m very curious.

RogueLeader said:

I think this is a fair question. If this is suppose to be an ultimate victory, then maybe. If you’re stressing that fascism and tyranny can rise when you least expect it and do-gooders have to remain vigilant, then maybe not.

I feel like the Last Jedi tried to make it the case where fascism and tyranny would rise up whenever you least expect it, but the Rise of Skywalker ditched that and was trying to say something along the lines of Palpatine or the Banite Sith were behind everything wrong in the galaxy. So… what to make of it?

I mean, the fact that Padme’s ships aren’t as widespread as the Millennium Falcon should be perfect objective evidence that it’s not at all iconic. I’d say even the Ebon Hawk is more iconic than Padme’s ships, and I doubt the general public has ever heard of it.

My plan was to cut out the whole Battle of Yavin from ANH. After leaving the Death Star, they head to the Rebel Base: Hoth, but the Empire gets there too (since they’re being tracked and all), and they storm the base, and don’t wait for the Death Star to destroy the Rebels, they want to make double sure the Rebels are crushed and the destruction of Hoth would be more symbolic. I had the idea of moving the Trench Run fight to the Battle of Hoth, and having Gold Leader fail to destroy the Death Star, damaging it, but killing Tarkin. However, I never got around to implementing it.

EddieDean said:

In TROS, the gang refer to the wreckage of the Second Death star on the Endor moon as simply ‘The Death Star’, presumably to not complicate things. I think that adds to the list of good reasons, not least of which being that under the ST in particular we have way too many Death Stars, that we should consider having the DS2 just be a part-repaired DS1.

In ANH, I’d edit the explosion to make it look more like massive damage than full destruction, and in ROTJ, I’d remove references to it being another DS, and add references to it being simply under repair.

I was working on a 3-in-1 fanedit of the OT that just had one Death Star (and one rebel base on Hoth).The 3-in-1 part didn’t pan out in a way I was satisfied with, but I’ve been thinking about reviving the project and giving it another go, or maybe trying a different format like a 6-part series.

There being two Death Stars has always been something that bothered me though and this makes it extra relevant.

Is there some way to make Han a full-blown force ghost? I know it completely contradicts the prequels, but I don’t really care.

In a Cinemark theater, there were wayyyy more trailers than you guys are mentioning. My girlfriend and her dad were joking about how many trailers there were, like double the normal amount. Although Barb & Star is the only one I remember that wasn’t mentioned. If I see it again with my dad or something, I’ll write down what trailers I saw.

RogueLeader said:>

For Rey’s identity, I basically think there are three options, ranking from most preferred to least:
• She is no one.
• She was created by Palpatine.
• She is Palpatine’s biological granddaughter.

If we are stuck with Rey Palpatine, maybe we could explore ways it could be better set up throughout the trilogy. The one interesting thought I did have is that if Rey is a Palpatine but we had Ben Solo survive, a Palpatine and a Skywalker creating a new Jedi Order together could be an interesting implication that this new generation of Jedi will be different, along the lines of what Outbound Flight said.

I need to think more about the actual moment of Palpatine’s death, but I do agree something needs to be altered with it. I think it would be funny if he said, “I’m all the Sith” and she said, “I’m no one.”

Remember a fan theory that she was the clone of Palpatine, especially because of the TLJ cave scene. Sounds bad, but with this sort of presentation, it could be done well.

ChainsawAsh said:

Wait…am I the only one who interpreted the Leia/Ben scene as Leia “inhabiting” Ben’s spirit to try to turn him, which distracts him so Rey can stab him, which ends up killing Leia?

As in…Rey, in a moment of Dark Side weakness, is the one who killed Leia?

I thought that was extremely powerful and the perfect motivation for Rey to try and pull an Obi-Wan/Yoda/Luke and go to Ach-To to give up and die. And it seemed explicitly foreshadowed by her thinking she accidentally killed Cheque earlier in the movie.

I thought that’s what happened and that’s why she goes to Ahch-To. It wasn’t until the drive home I realized that’s not what happened.

The Anti Last Jedi

I wonder if there’s any way to just cut out Starkiller base? I really don’t like there being any planet killers post-ANH (removing the Death Star from RotJ is another question for another time, and one I think I already have the answer to). The planet killers after ANH are really bad power creep, though, and I think they really undermine the Death Star.

The planet killing capabilities of Palpatine’s fleet in TRoS would be really easy to remove, though, IMO.

DominicCobb said:

I desperately want a good edit of this film, but I struggle to imagine what’d be possible to do, beyond trimming out some minor annoying things. The big problems are things like pacing, and Rey Palpatine. I truly have no idea how you fix either of these, baring the release of some hefty deleted material, which seems somewhat unlikely.

Cameron Samurai’s idea of a 2-in-1 edit of TFA and TRoS, with a little bit of TLJ connective tissue, works well. Although it’s kind of disappointing to me at least since I think TLJ is the best of the trilogy. Maybe a better ending is worth it though.

My biggest issues with the movie are Rey Palpatine and Palpatine in the flesh, though, and unfortunately I don’t really think you can undo those. Maybe you could just lean way further into both and the other stuff in TRoS and come out better for it.

RogueLeader said:

Speaking of which, I don’t think Palpatine laughs once in the entire film, which I think should be amended.

He actually does, although it’s quieter and I couldn’t really tell you where. I swear he does, though.

I feel like they also make him either look too old or too young.

Since C3PO gets his mind wiped in Episode 3, it would make sense that he has a different personality before and after the wipe.

Maybe the original idea of him as a sort of slimy used car salesman could show up in the prequels through dubbing. Especially if Anakin and Watto would have built him.

Movie ends with Kylo Ren going back in time to a few decades before the Phantom Menace, and running for Senator under the pseudonym “Sheev Palpatine”.

Despite what I said before, I’d be happy to help however I can. Maybe we should make a new thread for this collective effort?

Kingj3489 said:

I think this is some of the silliest stuff I’ve seen in a long time. FGR is one of the best contributors to this site. He made an off color comment 4 years ago. Christ, We’re all adults… nobody was attacked or hurt or bullied. Just call him an idiot and move on, or just ignore it. Nothing he did, unless I’m missing something, deserved being cut off from contributing here and banned.

There are a ton of talented banned members I and I think a lot of the community miss, the best example that comes to mind is Frink. But specifically in FGR’s case though, that action can not be tolerated, if it was it would create a hostile environment for LGBT faneditors, which is not something we need.

Frankly, it started off as an off-color comment, but as that thread kept going it became clear it wasn’t just that. Plus, it’s clear there’s stuff going on in PMs that they’re not showing us either out of respect for FGR, or out of a desire not to air dirty laundry. We definitely know FGR doubled down on what he did. Like what JKMaxx said, if he owned up to what he did or at the very least didn’t pull all this shit, then it would be a different story. Maybe he wouldn’t be banned. But he’s denying his actions, making sock accounts, trashing the mods who never did anything wrong all the while falsely accusing them of doing the same to him, and so I don’t really think I’ll be shedding any tears for him.

Not super on board with removing Maz from TFA, but I’d actually be really interested in removing her from TLJ. I have no idea why she’s in there other than putting Lupita Nyong’o on the cast list.

This sort of reminds me of when I tried to make a small movie a few years back, and it totally fell apart because of the logistics. I don’t want to be a debbie downer, but I think a similar thing might happen.

I mean, again, though, don’t let me get in your way, it’s definitely not impossible and the stuff you could manage to do if you pull it off would blow almost everything else on this site completely out of the water. Maybe even Adywan’s work, since he’s just one man. Think of what a team of men and women could do. If you don’t rush it, it could work out.

It’s funny how much this thread has changed. Now the radical redux thread is worried about Padme appearing pregnant.

My totally serious guess for opening weekend