Sluggo

Don't jinx them, 5.

MattMahdi said:

SKot said:

henryperu77 said:

http://www.fuzzymemories.tv

Is this version available too??

 That's the WBBM-TV 2 Chicago version.  I haven't added it to the list yet.

Inferring from general silence, in the community, I'm guessing that the KCCI, KCMO, and WMAR discs are are the only ones floating around in the wild.

I'd never looked closely at the WBBM files because I assumed they were 

I wish I knew more about the versions, but I don't.  I only have the KCCI and I think the KCMO versions.

RowMan said:

Will this latest "restoration" of the Holiday Special include the lost animation that supposedly was made to play just before and/or after the animated segment? Not necessarily edited in the program, just included somewhere.

That totally needs to be in there, although wasting electricity turns people off.

I was hoping you would say those words

I think there is potential there.    And while the connection with Leia in mask and Vader has been made before, it would be interesting to add the 'mechanical breathing' sound to Leia's rescue of Han.  One could even quicken it to show a little nervousness when the Carbonite block falls off the wall to the ground.

MTHaslett said:

  This movie would have rocked if we learned Vader lied, that Vader actually killed Luke's dad and that now Luke wants to hunt down and kill the old bastard.  That would be a stronger way to see Luke turn away from the Dark Side. So as long as we're wishing, I wish for that. :-)

That would have been cool.  Imagine Anakin appearing to Luke on Degobah instead of Ben and revealing the truth about Vader.

Ok, I've prepared my notes and am ready to begin..

 

Possessed said:

Sluggo said:

I'm finally getting time to DL this and should review it tonight!

*rubs hands together excitedly*

 

If you're talking about reviewing the draft, well feel free but you should know I completely scrapped that and started over so many things won't be relevant.

D'oh!

Concept-wise, it think it worked great without the transitions that folkes had mentioned earlier.  But we already know that.  And it is scrapped all the same.

*backs out of the room slowly*

I'm finally getting time to DL this and should review it tonight!

*rubs hands together excitedly*

JUNKQUELS

Leguman said:

 

... And if however he wouldn't...

 

My bloomers are showing!  

*sigh*

I would like a scene (somehow) that mirrors Luke's seeing 'his friends in pain' like he did the first time in Empire.  Luke is on Dagobah to be with Yoda until he learns that his friends had been captured in the rescue attempt, so it is off to Tatooine for the rescue.

TV's Frink said:

But you actually post it.  I just linked to it.

(I'm afraid of Sluggo)

Say it's not so!!

Your mom is a very nice person who is loved and admired by all her family.

Tobar:

You typed that thing?!  You are braver than I thought!

Bingo:

This quote from the article-

Ian Francis, from Hucknall, Notts, said: “We were in bed and were woken by doors and windows were shaking.

Is the funniest thing I've read today!  Ian from Hucknall Notts!  Brilliant!

ChainsawAsh said:

haljordan28 said some things:

The plan for Star Wars III that you refer to was worked out between Lucas and Kurtz during the making of Empire (I'll refer to it as the Lucas/Kurtz outline).  It was thrown out before any scripts were written, by Lucas or anyone else, as Lucas was dissatisfied with how Empire had turned out.

...

In fact, I'll wager that the initial draft of Star Wars and the initial draft of Empire are both more drastically different from their final films than the Lucas draft of Jedi is different from the finished film.  (Hope that sentence makes sense.)

It's tough enough to keep of the real drafts of the scripts let alone some story conference ideas that never made it to paper.  

Thanks Chainsaw!  I ought to go back and reread Zombie's book.

Ah, well.  Still an item that would be interesting to watch.

Monroville said:

ImperialFighter said:

Shot 2 -

Shot 3 -

A couple of extra points:
should we be able to see the galaxy/forming star in the first shot with 3P0 (being that you can see it move slowly from the right to the left of the screen in the final shot seen directly above, which would place it's visual origins off to the far right of the screen in Shot #2)?

I don't think the placing of the galaxy/star thingie is that big of a deal.  The fleet may have adjusted their course from the one moment to the next.

And you pals could relax a bit.

John McClane said:

Welcome to the party, pal!

Virtue of Scribbles

MTHaslett said:

Hey Possessed. I just found this thread and got excited about your edit.

I LOVE the idea of cutting the first Ewok scene with Leia. I've dreamed of what that would achieve-- it would definitely pick up the pace at that point and keep our focus on Luke where it belongs.

 

This is probably too late, but I had some other ideas that might suit this project:

1. What if the first things we see in Jabba's palace wasn't from the droids, but was actually the capture of Chewie and failed rescue of Han?

This would improve the "plan" that Luke et al seem to be enacting. My question has always been-- what if Leia succeeded? How would they get Chewie and the droids? Or was Leia's failure part of the plan? Anyway, starting with Chewie gives the plan a more logical escalation and gives Jabba a stronger sense of menace.

This would mean cutting around 3p0 for that scene.  Use subtitles to replace his lines.  Then I'd cut to an even whackier idea:

2. What if Luke's trip to Degobah came next?  Luke isn't on Tatooine yet, he's busy with another errand first-- Yoda. This would get us right into the main story earlier and remove a big kink from the storyline that occurs when this scene is saved for later.  The idea that Luke would go to Yoda before saving Han would indicate the level of pain Luke is still going through over his fight with Vader. 

Both of these changes would bring a dose of darkness to the opening of ROTJ. In my mind, that brings it closer into alignment with ESB.

After Luke leaves Yoda and Obi Wan, we would get the scene of the droids walking up to Jabba's palace and the stage would be better set for their scene, the death of the first dancer, and then Luke's arrival and the reveal of Leia as Jabba's new bikini girl.

3. A minor note is that I would certainly recommend cutting the chatter between Han and Luke as they ride out to the Sarlaac pit. There is way too much "humor" that both falls flat and deflates the tension in that sequence.

I know you most likely want to finish your edit and I'm not sure why these ideas would make you want to hold off-- but I offer them in case they can be of any use.

I love what I'm seeing here and thanks for all your hard work!

MTHaslett said:

Now I'm just saying this to say it, but if one were to start with the capture of Chewbacca and then Luke seeing Yoda die, then it might work best to cut away to Luke before the failed rescue of Han.

That way things would really look bad-- first Chewie is caught with no apparent hope of rescue (avoiding the silly reveal of Lando); then we find otu Luke isn't even there --and Yoda dies; then Leia gets herself caught... Jeez!(cut the Han/Chewie reunion scene). With the darkest possible music over all this, it would feel as suspenseful as it was supposed to.

Then come the droids walking right up to the mouth of the lion... Their presence indicates that Luke has arrived, but he's already way behind.  But at least his plan now makes a little sense-- gift the droids, go in and try to get everyone else out -- if it all fails, R2 has his light saber hidden away as a second chance. (Provided Jabba makes R2 a drink server and takes them all to the Sarlaac pit and etc... I will never really understand Luke's plan).

BTW: Thanks, Sluggo-- Starkiller Ranch lives!

I'm just importing these ideas from Possessed's thread as I think they warrant more discussion. 

The idea of having Chewie being turned in for the reward would work nicely but as Possessed mentioned, it is a little abrupt.  However, it could work if the opening crawl is re-worked to mention that the heroes are being hunted by the Empire and bounty hunters alike, or something like that.  And maybe the scene could be improved with a small establishing shot of a landing pad behind the palace with a strange ship landing.  The engines shut down and the sound of Jabba's baroque band is heard, transitioning the scene for when Leia and Chewie walk into the throne room.

none said:

Wow!  Added.  How did you come across the site? (search process notes)

The problem with contacting them, is how do you come across as not a douche.  

So now it seems that RotJ is the elusive one.

I wonder if it is of a 70mm showing?

Seriously!  It's like trying to compare Jonagold apples to Honeycrisp apples.  No comparison!

I think you are looking for the NFL thread.

Leonardo said:

Sluggo said:

Experiment over.

Ric is un-ignored. 

On to next test subject.

Is that me? I'm on your ignore list now. Or is it because of Hasslecrotch?

Just till Hassl.. that thing got bumped to the next page.  But that's long gone.  Hopefully!