Sir Ridley

NeverarGreat said:

While the latest version sounds pretty good, there’s no escaping that his reading of ‘mother’ is too fast for the scene. I did a search of all instances of the word ‘mother’ in the New Testament and came up with 92, some as the last word of a sentence. Surely there’s a slower reading in there?

It’s based on pieces from his Bible reading (I don’t remember which part), and he reads quite quickly. I’ll see if I can drag it out a bit, the problem is that the sound quality gets worse if it’s stretched too much.

Jedit:
New slower version. https://mega.nz/#!acsDjCYL!gQoGGPf4xwWMvGe1XKGMKi86g3KXklZmTP9uS-FTUE0

BedeHistory731 said:

I like the improved version! I do agree that adding the tinny undertone and maybe a pause would help. I experimented with adding a pause when playing around the version seven clip and I liked the idea behind it.

Here’s a new version with a longer pause and more tinny effect on “your mother”.

https://mega.nz/#!7E1xWCzZ!ka8bcqGsxR6yEqknvjvLmHProTb8NqRo69ojG2jbweE

BedeHistory731 said:

I’ve been experimenting with trimming “I must obey my master!” while also incorporating Sir Ridley’s “Your mother once thought as you do” (albeit slowed-down). What prevented me from deleting “You don’t know the power of the Dark Side” was both Vader’s turn and making sure that Luke’s follow-up line made sense. The edit is a bit rough, but I’m sure Ady can do better working in the 5.1 mix.

Here it is.

Inspired by this I made a new version of the line. I slowed it down a bit and focused on getting a clearer sound, I think it sounds better than my previous attempt.

https://mega.nz/#!7Q12UKJI!_UQuW057Qspq4886JivrUaX-M4N1GCzNl0AdKrhL4R8

Here’s a look at what I’ve got for the dice sequence so far.

https://vimeo.com/361421335 (password: fanedit)

I (obviously) need to replace the shot with the crew visible with a new one. I’ll create a closeup of a pair of hands hanging up the dice. I also need to create new foley sounds for the sequence.

DominicCobb said:

The thing that makes it plausible in my mind is they already kinda did the slow trickle of TFA deleted scenes (the physical release had a handful, the digital release had all of those plus one, and then the 3D rerelease had a couple extra ones). Plus the trilogy finally being over may make them less protective of revealing the might have beens (and, in retrospect with TROS, they were probably smart to do so).

True, and some new special features would be good to convince people to buy the complete collection.

Tobar said:

I have a feeling a lot of TFA edits are gonna have a bit of a continuity issue on their hands, as I’m sure they’re going to use the Leia “I don’t care” scene in TROS.

That’s possible, but if they use it I bet they will change it quite a lot. The dialogue and context could be changed (Korr Sella died in TFA so Leia would be talking to someone else), and the setting and Leia’s hair and clothes will probably be different. We’ll see.

Yeah, it would be nice to have more deleted scenes from TFA in general. At least some of them will be repurposed for TROS.

NeverarGreat said:

Ridley, I recall you were trying to incorporate the BTS footage of Han’s dice at one point, did you ever manage to get that to work?

I haven’t pieced it together yet, I need a closeup of the dice being hung up which I’ll need to film myself, probably.

sade1212 said:

Sir Ridley said:
I tried turning a still of the Death Star into “3D” using a displacement map to make it look like it was turning slowly and it seems like it could be pretty convincing.

https://vimeo.com/360161256 (password: fanedit)

Wow, this is excellent. How much work did this take? Are you planning to tackle any other shots or is this just a proof of concept for Adywan to follow up on?

It’s just a test, it might give Adywan some ideas. Or I might apply the effect on some actual shots if someone would like to use it in an edit. It took some time to figure out the best settings and tweak the depth map (which is the magic ingredient) but now that I have the basics set up it would take less time to adapt the effect for other shots.

Telion said:

Sir Ridley said:

There wouldn’t be any visible depth of field at that scale. It’s like photographing mountains from a distance, they would all be in focus.

So whats making that show feel off? Or is it just me.

It’s not easy to show distance in space. If something is further away it will just look smaller.

In your first image the star destroyer is probably actually in front of the SSD, but because it’s placed higher up in the frame you get the impression that it is behind the SSD which makes it look too big. Unless the objects overlap it’s difficult to tell which one is closer.

Telion said:

Scale/Perspective:
OK takes up the bulk of the issues with the battle but its also the least likely to be an easy fix. So there are shots with a bunch star destroyers where they are scaled differently yet look like they are the same distance from the camera. This is because they all filmed separately and composited together, but they didn’t add any depth of field to the shots. For instance the size of the SSD next to an ordinary SD:

There wouldn’t be any visible depth of field at that scale. It’s like photographing mountains from a distance, they would all be in focus.

With the method I used it can rotate in any direction and also tilt up and down. So you could simulate the perspective in the shot you mention.

Essentially you only have a half Death Star though, which is why it can’t turn very far in a single shot. Perhaps pictures from different angles could be combined to allow a bigger range of motion, if needed.

I assume the Death Star can turn itself in any direction for aiming, so that could be shown as well. But changing direction would likely be very slow, so perhaps it would need to be shown through a series of shots to not drag down the tempo of the overall sequence.

It could in some cases, but that wouldn’t work where there are foreground objects. For example, in many cases the Death Star is viewed from a ship, and in that case the camera is stuck in the ship and can’t orbit the Death Star. I think it would be easier to just have the Death Star spinning slightly by itself to give it a sense of volume, I don’t know if it would be obvious enough to raise questions.

4throck said:

Sir Ridley said:
I tried turning a still of the Death Star into “3D” using a displacement map to make it look like it was turning slowly and it seems like it could be pretty convincing.

https://vimeo.com/360161256 (password: fanedit)

Great stuff 😃 Perhaps even better if you pan it to the left it a bit while rotating.

Thank you. In this case I tried to simulate a camera moving around the Death Star, but the same method can be used to create different kinds of movement. It has to be subtle, if you turn it too much it can look fake.

I wonder if the rotating would add continuity issues. The first Death Star rotated slowly even when stationary, but if it’s seen rotating in the same spot you would eventually see the other side of it. I don’t know if that was taken into account in ANH. In RotJ it’s always shown from the same side.

Telion said:

Oh speaking of the DSII, Ady: I had always preferred the original DS even though the second “looks cooler” but, when ever I watch ROTJ it just doesn’t seem right. And I finally think I know why, its a 2D picture. I don’t how they managed to go from effects as stunning as those from ANH - which brought a giant space ball to life - to something as awful as what is in ROTJ but hey they did it. What puzzles me most, is that the DSII does actually have a physical model, but for some unfathomable reason they only shot if from one angle for the whole movie, and proceeded to just copy/paste it to every shot.
So idk whether you can do anything about this or if there a DSII models (3D or physical) out there or any or some other footage that can be composited to work but if you can, could you give it that same subtle spin that the DSI had and just in general fix some inconsistencies with the angles of it in relation to Endor and the fleets?
Hope the edits going well!

I tried turning a still of the Death Star into “3D” using a displacement map to make it look like it was turning slowly and it seems like it could be pretty convincing.

https://vimeo.com/360161256 (password: fanedit)

Mocata said:

Interesting, is Palpatine’s laugh coming from that a false association or did they make a mistake?

I would say that the laugh is just to show that Palpatine is in the movie, but it’s also likely that the Death Star wreckage is connected to Palpatine in the film. But they seem to have made some mistakes with the shot of the Death Star either way since it looks like a mix of both.

See that smooth area above the trench on DS I? In IX that area is instead covered in patterns much like the ones on DS II. Oddly, the area beneath the trench in IX looks like it has the smooth surface from DS I, but above the IX trench there doesn’t appear to be a smooth section at all even though DS II has a thin one.

yotsuya said:

If you look at the super laser dish from the TROS trailer and you look at the two Death Stars, if they have accurately depicted it (this is Abrams so I think accuracy is likely), it will be the first Death Star and Yavin IV. And yeah, the desert planet has nothing to do with the Death Star location.

It’s true that the dish looks like DS I, but the surface pattern on the rest of the wreckage looks like DS II. Most notably, DS I has wide light grey areas on each side of the trench that end just below the laser dish. The DS wreckage does not have this, so it doesn’t fully look like either version. Perhaps we’ve seen an unfinished or purposely misleading effect shot in the trailer, I assume they will get it right in the finished film.

I’ve actually been thinking about leaving the ending as it is, for a few reasons. I like the idea of cutting it, but it doesn’t fully work for me. First of all I don’t really mind the original ending, and I don’t want to cut a thing like that unless I feel it’s a big improvement. Without it I think the ending feels slightly abrupt, but maybe that’s because I expect the island scene. And a big reason is also that I wanted to save the scene for TLJ, but I haven’t found a satisfying way to incorporate it into that movie yet. Ideally I want the scene to be right at the start of TLJ, but I would need to create a new opening shot in space following the title and crawl. I might leave the scene in TFA for now and maybe move it to TLJ when I edit that one.

Thank you for asking! The edit is progressing slowly. I’ve been helping Hal with some shots for his edits lately and have been busy with other things as well, so I haven’t actively worked on the edit for a while. But I’m still thinking about ideas for it and I intend to finish it at some point, but can’t say when that will be.

NeverarGreat said:

The second change seems anodyne enough, but the first significantly changes Luke’s motivation IMO since he now decides to become a Jedi without any information about his father’s wishes. Because of this, the revelation in ESB could have less of an impact because Luke is becoming a Jedi more of his own volition and less because he believed that his father wanted him to follow in his footsteps.

That’s what I think too, even if it’s a lie I feel like “your father” works better than “I”.

Hal 9000 said:

If anyone would want to do so

I could do it, there’s a free AE plugin called Saber which makes it really easy.

Hal 9000 said:

https://vimeo.com/342042553
password: fanedit

I haven’t watched the original sequence in a long time, so I can’t tell exactly what you’ve changed. And from that point of view I would say that it doesn’t feel edited or out of place. The thing I dislike the most is Padmé looking up followed by the shot of the molten metal filling the container, making it look like she was killed. It feels like a cheap trick. Aside from that I don’t like the whole video game feel of Padmé on the conveyor belt dodging various things one after another. Perhaps the sequence could be shortened more.

Hal 9000 said:

I didn’t go with that version of that line because the action climax has many other lines in her deep voice, so making that one change would seem weird.
I’d love to have the whole movie in her higher pitched voice but it seems virtually impossible to adjust pitch of just her voice and not the rest of the soundtrack.

If you like the line from the trailer then it wouldn’t be too hard to just deepen that one if you don’t want to pitch up everything else.

Mocata said:

SilverWook said:

But he looked more like his Force Phantom self in the TLJ flashbacks than he does here. Unless he’s interacting or guiding Rey through visions similar to what she had involuntarily in TFA? The possible wrinkle here is everyone percieves Luke as they last saw him?

Is this just another Jedi Temple vision though since R2 is still there

The picture might not exactly match any scene that is in the movie. At least parts of the picture is directly taken from TLJ’s Ahch-To shoot, and the hair and beard matches Luke’s Ahch-To look. If it was supposed to be a flashback he would have the shorter dark beard. So if it is the Jedi Temple fire around him then he might not be there physically, but possibly as a “ghost of Christmas past” type of thing. But if it’s a different fire in the “present” then he could be there as a force ghost.

SilverWook said:

Sir Ridley said:

SilverWook said:

Note Luke still has a glove on his hand. And since we didn’t see the mechanical hand fall off when he disappeared, all bets are off. 😉

I’ve seen it pointed out that the glove has been taken from a The Last Jedi photo and pasted into the new photo. So we can’t be sure what type of hand he will actually have in the movie.

Why would they do that? Just to misdirect?

Here is the TLJ photo:
https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5924578a34765321e4a464ac/master/w_2000,c_limit/star-wars-portfolio-06-2017-ss01.jpg

Even the angle of his shoes and some of the creases in the robe are the same. So it’s possible that the “new” image is actually from the TLJ shoot but repurposed. Either they can’t or don’t want to show what he looks like now. It could just be because a new photoshoot with Mark couldn’t happen for some reason. Maybe this is what he will look like anyway, or maybe he will look different in some spoilery way they don’t want to show yet.