SilverWook

Hoop28 said:

imperialscum said:

Hoop28 said:

So obviously Lucas had a much bigger presence during the making of Jedi than he did Empire, he was practically a Co-Director, but did Marquand leave any mark of his own on the film? I haven’t seen his other work so I can’t say, and I don’t know if Lucas has attempted to erase any sort of legacy Marquand had like he did so many others on the OT.

I think Marquand had pretty much the same role in ROTJ as Kershner had in ESB. In both cases Lucas led the creative part (story, characters, screenplay, world-building, etc.), while Kershner and Marquand led the implementation and contributed in various ways to the creative part. If you look at it like that, then Lucas was “practically a co-director” in both cases.

Like it was pointed out, Marquand had some important contributions to the creative part, besides directing the implementation. Like Kershner, I think he was a valuable part of the trilogy.

Well from what I heard, Lucas was annoyed with alot of the changes and alterations that Kershner made while directing Empire, so for Jedi he was on set way more than he was during Empire and reshot quite a few scenes, apparently the whole reason Jedi was filmed in the United States was so Lucas could be on set daily.

They still filmed at Elstree in the UK. Endor exteriors being shot in Northern California close to Lucasfilm may have been a happy accident. Tunisia might have presented too many problems, as that part of the world was a bit more dangerous by 1982.

jedi_bendu said:

SilverWook said:

You used a SE shot? Really? 😛

Ah, go on… allow it this once!

I’ll allow it. 😃

jedi_bendu said:

I don’t even live in America, but I was shamelessly playing ‘Victory Celebration’ on repeat today. Trump was sounding like an Emperor Palpatine figure himself this year, and it’s been the closest the US has ever come to fascism. Workers have been hurt by tax cuts favouring the wealthy and repeals in healthcare, the world has backtracked on progress combatting climate change, and closet racists have felt emboldened enough to become nastier and nastier. Finally, all the people who felt afraid or anxious for the last four years can breathe a sigh of relief.

And yes, I’m aware Trump can do whatever he wants in his final months in office, but that’s something to worry about tomorrow.

You used a SE shot? Really? 😛

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No problem. My 704 is always threatening to self destruct. I’ve had it repaired twice in the past decade. I keep wishing Pioneer could make a new player that isn’t like a Rube Goldberg design on the inside. Maybe for the 45th anniversary of Discovision’s debut? 😉

jisan said:

Brand new to the group. Interesting … I own the MATRIX LD in question (plus about 5000+ others LDs). and I never quite understood the fascination with that particular disc, although I knew it was a limited pressing. I never bought the Pioneer RF Convertor for my CLD-704, so I can’t really attest to it’s sound quality, though it sounds great without the added equipment. My (3) CLD-704s are mothballed currently, as I haven’t found a competent repair facility, but I’ll give it a whirl tonight on my DVL-909.

PS. Never heard of the “open-mat” HK version, though. I’m kind of a “my cold dead hands” type, so please don’t ask … sorry. I won’t part with any piece of my collection. In hindsight, I wish I had bought a spare.

Are you on the LDDB forum? You can probably find info there about LD player repairs in the 21st century.

Darth Dougal said:

Yoda wasn’t coming back originally? How on earth was that supposed to work story-wise?

I would need to check in the book (easier said than done, it’s pretty dense) but I think Yoda’s mention of the other Skywalker would just be folded into Obi-Wan’s dialogue - and the Luke/Obi Wan discussion would not happen on Dagoba. IIRC the idea was for Obi Wan to tell Luke that Yoda was now one with the Force.

I’m not sure if this script development took place before or after talk about the Force ghosts of Yoda and Obi Wan appearing during Luke’s duel with Vader. Not to mention the two Death Stars!

Back to the OP - I found an interview with Marquand that relates to your question:

https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/richard-marquand-interview-return-of-the-jedi-star-wars/

Yoda dying off camera and never being seen again would have been pretty lame. In the original making of ESB book, Lucas laments he couldn’t shoot a scene for Jedi during production on ESB, as there was the issue of saving and storing the Dagobah set for the next film. What he had in mind either had not been written yet, or the need to finish ESB took precedence.

Great, if Jax sees this thread, I’m going to be patching blaster holes in the walls for a week! 😉

Yes, I do live with a six foot tall carnivorous rabbit.

Darth Dougal said:

Marquand had plenty of input. Check out J.W. Rinzler’s book on the making of the film.

Perhaps the most important decisions he made were to cast Ian McDiarmid as Palpatine and to bring back Yoda. He also had his choice of Director of Photography and editor - hopefully the different look and pacing of ROTJ compared to the previous two films is apparent.

One of the highlights of Rinzler’s book is a transcript of a conversation between Lucas, Marquand and Larry Kasdan. Most of it comprises an argument between Lucas and Kasdan - you get the impression Marquand is listening patiently and then suddenly he cuts in and chides them for their behaviour. No mere servant.

It’s clear that Marquand was ‘inexperienced’ (being kind) or ‘out of his depth’ (being harsh) regarding the Star Wars shooting method, which in the early 80s was still unusual and more technically demanding than other franchises like Bond or Star Trek. But he was not inexperienced when it came to dealing with actors, as he had been one himself. He also knew how to shoot quickly and economically - that, plus his willingness to relcoate to the US - made him an easy choice for director in Lucas’ eyes.

Yoda wasn’t coming back originally? How on earth was that supposed to work story-wise?

As always, thanks for the help. 😃

lorang said:

Wouldn’t hold your breath on this one, one that might be better is the very hard to find US cut that did get limited TV play at some point in the US with trimmed scenes and overdubbed voices for some of the characters as well as the alternate animated opening.

I’d love to get hold of this version to upgrade via the Blu Ray footage and use the soundtrack.

Totally different take is Im working on my own edit of this as a B/W Silent movie but with font words sliced in like a silent movie but using soundtracks from mostly Hammer Movies and giving it an old movie feel and frame rate.

Currently on 24hr encode in Premier Pro for the picture before I start on the soundtrack.

I think that version ran on Elvira’s Movie Macabre back in 1982.

You should start a thread for your edit instead of posting in this one though.

https://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s44fearkill.html

Have you looked into 16mm syndication prints? There must be some out there as with many other shows from era.

A preview of a WIP version.

That’s too bad. I’m not aware of any other programs similar to it that offer it’s ease of use.

We have been contemplating a Election 2020/politics channel on the discord as a compromise.

DZ-330 said:

How does one become a Moderator on this site? And what would that entail?

You may be the first person to ever ask about the job! Are you sure you want to join the ranks of the most loved and despised? 😉

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Never seen those before either! An unused shot from the movie wouldn’t have the soundstage roof visible like that though.

I wasn’t aware the computer screens had been replaced?

And let’s avoid discussing “alternate” ways of getting software. Thanks.

Got an unexpected compliment on my shirt today. 😃

StarkillerAG said:

I don’t think this is intended to be a way of “burying the original,” given that info about the original is still easy to find online. Not everything Disney does has a nefarious motive.

And also, the original Holiday Special is an absolute trash fire, and it doesn’t deserve to be on Disney+ or anywhere else really.

Yet we’ve had preservation projects for it about as long as this site has been around. If anything, this will create more curiousity about the original. Disney would be wise to cash in by releasing it with a tounge in cheek commentary from the surviving cast or a spurious documentary. License the Rifftrax audio while they’re at it.

Every generation has a legend…

Every journey has a misstep…

Every Saga has a skeleton in the closet. 😛

Edited a couple ancient posts as some Ackbar images hotlinked to circa ten years ago now are broken, and lead to a site that isn’t about SW anymore and is triggering virus warnings for some users. Hopefully fixed now!

Hoop28 said:

When I was a kid I thought that Boba Fett was the leader of the Stormtroopers, and he was only with Jabba in ROTJ to make sure the Rebels didn’t steal Han back. I always pictured him kneeling before Palpatine right next to Moff Jerjerrod if he hadn’t died.

Not sure where it originated from, but back in the day, Fett’s armor was said to be that of a shocktrooper, predecessor of Stormtroopers and Fett was possibly a veteran of the Clone Wars.

Kind of more interesting than the backstory we got. 😉

I wonder if showing Vader’s shuttle was ever considered back in 1980? I’ve thought it’s not being seen originally was a result of setting a pace for the climax when editing the film.